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| Joe Biden, the Inappropriate Toucher |
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18 | 1.46% |
| Bernie Sanders, the Hand Flailer |
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665 | 54.11% |
| Elizabeth Warren, the Plan Maker |
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319 | 25.96% |
| Kamala Harris, the Cop Lord |
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26 | 2.12% |
| Cory Booker, the Super Hero Wannabe |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Julian Castro, the Twin |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Kirsten Gillibrand, the Franken Killer |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Pete Buttigieg, the Troop Sociopath |
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17 | 1.38% |
| Robert Francis O'Rourke, the Fake Latino |
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3 | 0.24% |
| Jay Inslee, the Climate Alarmist |
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8 | 0.65% |
| Marianne Williamson, the Crystal Queen |
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86 | 7.00% |
| Tulsi Gabbard, the Muslim Hater |
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23 | 1.87% |
| Andrew Yang, the $1000 Fool |
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32 | 2.60% |
| Eric Swalwell, the Insurance Wife Guy |
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2 | 0.16% |
| Amy Klobuchar, the Comb Enthusiast |
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1 | 0.08% |
| Bill de Blasio, the NYPD Most Hated |
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4 | 0.33% |
| Tim Ryan, the Dope Face |
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3 | 0.24% |
| John Hickenlooper, the Also Ran |
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7 | 0.57% |
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Chilichimp posted:This is a very bad gimmick and no one in this debate and discussion thread is saying those dumb things you're saying. Embarrassing.
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Jul 25, 2019 05:29
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Lastgirl posted:Can I count on you to vote for Bernie Sanders? I think he would be a good president as a foot in the door for the younger generations to follow through in positions of government where they can help distribute the wealth, repair the institutions that enforces systemic sexism and racism such as ratifying the ERA and legalizing weed and erasing criminal records of marijuana possession. Do you genuinely think independents are going to turn out for somebody who openly identifies as a socialist which republicans are successfully using as a national boogieman? Like there's an incredible amount of purity wank in this thread and it's so extreme I can't tell what real and what's parody here.
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Jul 25, 2019 05:41
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and resume a meritocracy of failsons and faildaughters (that Joe can sniff) of the elites and leave the majority of americans in the lurch, ensuring further radicalization down the road.
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Flopsy posted:Do you genuinely think independents are going to turn out for somebody who openly identifies as a socialist which republicans are successfully using as a national boogieman? Like there's an incredible amount of purity wank in this thread and it's so extreme I can't tell what real and what's parody here.
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Jul 25, 2019 05:52
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Flopsy posted:Do you genuinely think independents are going to turn out for somebody who openly identifies as a socialist which republicans are successfully using as a national boogieman? Like there's an incredible amount of purity wank in this thread and it's so extreme I can't tell what real and what's parody here. There is no actual evidence supporting the idea that Sanders wouldn't be "unelectable" (if anything he has shown greater crossover appeal than all the other Democratic primary candidates). If you think the things he supports are bad, you should be making that argument instead instead of these dishonest proxy arguments. Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 06:03 on Jul 25, 2019 |
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Jul 25, 2019 05:55
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Also as is constantly shown in polling the Independent Middle is a myth. Independents are mostly partisans with bones they pick with their specific party, but they mostly consistently vote the same party in the end. On the other hand, people who don’t vote at all are an untapped voting block that is massive and requires a message of transformative change to their lives to get out to vote.
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Jul 25, 2019 05:58
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Ytlaya posted:There is no actual evidence supporting the idea that Sanders wouldn't be "unelectable" (if anything he has shown greater crossover appeal than all the other Democratic primary candidates). If you think the things he supports are bad, you should be making that argument instead instead of these dishonest proxy arguments. I'm saying he's not going to win in the states he needs for the electoral college but in retrospect I don't think this is the place for me. I'm going to find another thread where I'm not being accused of being a fascist because I don't think he has a shot. edit: I saw what you deleted Ytlaya. I'm sorry did you think that was a little extreme? Flopsy fucked around with this message at 06:04 on Jul 25, 2019 |
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Jul 25, 2019 06:01
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Flopsy posted:I'm saying he's not going to win in the states he needs for the electoral college but in retrospect I don't think this is the place for me. I'm going to find another thread. Which states and why? You don’t have to run away because people disagreed with you politely. Edit: lol no one called you a fascist. Weird how you’re slinging accusations and refusing to actually discuss the topic at hand.
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Trabisnikof posted:Which states and why? I'm leaving because people are climbing up my rear end and accusing me of things when I make a reasonable point. I don't give a poo poo if she deleted it.
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Jul 25, 2019 06:05
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Flopsy posted:I'm saying he's not going to win in the states he needs for the electoral college but in retrospect I don't think this is the place for me. I'm going to find another thread. But there's no actual evidence for this (and in fact is evidence to the contrary, as Sanders did well in the mid-west in the 2016 primary). A lot of people have gut feelings about things (usually passively absorbed from media) that aren't true. There is no logical reason to believe that any of the other candidates will do better in "middle America." Flopsy posted:edit: I saw what you deleted Ytlaya. I'm sorry did you think that was a little extreme? Yeah, sorry about that; that's why I deleted it. edit: The thing about "purity wank" being representative of having different goals/values is actually true, though. It's a simple fact that if other people care about things that you think are "purity wank" that you have different values than them (and it's actually pretty insulting to belittle other peoples' feelings and opinions like that). These discussions are easier if people would just say "my goals are X, Y and Z and I think candidate A would be best for accomplishing those things because of _______." Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 06:09 on Jul 25, 2019 |
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Jul 25, 2019 06:05
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Flopsy posted:I'm saying he's not going to win in the states he needs for the electoral college but in retrospect I don't think this is the place for me. I'm going to find another thread where I'm not being accused of being a fascist because I don't think he has a shot.
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Jul 25, 2019 06:05
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Flopsy posted:Do you genuinely think independents are going to turn out for somebody who openly identifies as a socialist which republicans are successfully using as a national boogieman? Like there's an incredible amount of purity wank in this thread and it's so extreme I can't tell what real and what's parody here. There’s no such thing as independents. Turning out the base is all that matters, and we’re getting close to a New Deal situation - if some socialist reforms aren’t implemented (ie. healthcare, housing), shits going to explode in a big way. Discussion over.
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Jul 25, 2019 06:07
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Flopsy posted:I'm leaving because people are climbing up my rear end and accusing me of things when I make a reasonable point. I don't give a poo poo if she deleted it. Funny how you really desperately want to talk about other posters and refuse to talk about the topic at hand. Which states do you think Sanders will lose that someone more moderate would win?
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Jul 25, 2019 06:07
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Can anyone help clear up the last primary? I know that the DNC was heavily in favor of Clinton and that this bias affected the primary. But people will argue that the primary itself was rigged. That Bernie either got more votes and still didn't get picked due to super pacs or that it was literally rigged when it came to the votes themselves.
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Jul 25, 2019 06:07
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Eschenique posted:Can anyone help clear up the last primary? Lol that’s really low effort bait
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Jul 25, 2019 06:08
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Ytlaya posted:But there's no actual evidence for this (and in fact is evidence to the contrary, as Sanders did well in the mid-west in the 2016 primary). A lot of people have gut feelings about things (usually passively absorbed from media) that aren't true. If you're sorry maybe you can admit what you said so your pals stop making fun of me for reacting to it.
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Jul 25, 2019 06:09
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Hey Flopsy this is going to blow your mind but... in our universe, ah... how do I put this? Donald Trump is the President. And it wasn't like some weird poo poo with aliens or whatever: he just ran for President and enough people voted for him in the right places that he won. So now he's the President. I know this is some Sliders poo poo for you and probably a lot to take in, but that's the reality we live with, here  fucken weird, eh?
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Jul 25, 2019 06:09
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Flopsy posted:If you're sorry maybe you can admit what you said so your pals stop making fun of me for reacting to it. Want to talk about the primary or about which posters owe you what?
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Jul 25, 2019 06:09
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Calling out this thread's purity wank gets you immediately and indelibly labeled a fascist.
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Jul 25, 2019 06:11
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Trabisnikof posted:Want to talk about the primary or about which posters owe you what? Wisconsin just elected a republican supreme court and is teetering on the razor's edge. You wanna give them an excuse?
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Jul 25, 2019 06:11
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Flopsy posted:If you're sorry maybe you can admit what you said so your pals stop making fun of me for reacting to it. I didn't call you a fascist or anything. The worst I said was "I get the impression that people like you, on some level, realize that your views aren't really defensible, so you end up doing these unsupported "electability" arguments to support positions that lack a clear basis otherwise." That isn't saying you're right-wing, but I do think it's probably true that accusations of stuff like "purity politics" are generally coming from a place where the person in question realizes they can't really contest the actual opinions, but still feel a desire to oppose them. And kinda by definition it's asserting that the things other people value are trivial (which is honestly more insulting than anything I said or implied).
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Jul 25, 2019 06:11
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Flopsy posted:Wisconsin just elected a republican supreme court and is teetering on the razor's edge. You wanna give them an excuse? Why are you assuming a centrist dem would win Wisconsin in 2020 when one lost Wisconsin in 2016? The default assumption should be Wisconsin will go red. Only a strong populist message has a chance to change that.
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Jul 25, 2019 06:13
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Calibanibal posted:Calling out this thread's purity wank gets you immediately and indelibly labeled a fascist. Ytlaya posted:I didn't call you a fascist or anything. The worst I said was "I get the impression that people like you, on some level, realize that your views aren't really defensible, so you end up doing these unsupported "electability" arguments to support positions that lack a clear basis otherwise." That isn't saying you're right-wing, but I do think it's probably true that accusations of stuff like "purity politics" are generally coming from a place where the person in question realizes they can't really contest the actual opinions, but still feel a desire to oppose them. And kinda by definition it's asserting that the things other people value are trivial (which is honestly more insulting than anything I said or implied). You implied that because I used that term I secretly support the camps or some other atrocious poo poo. While the rest pile on and bully the gently caress out of me. Christ sakes I hope you aren't on any election committees. If I didn't hate trump/GOP as much i do I'd run screaming in the other direction.
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Jul 25, 2019 06:14
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Trabisnikof posted:Why are you assuming a centrist dem would win Wisconsin in 2020 when one lost Wisconsin in 2016? I'm loving hoping the candidates work the gently caress out of that state along with Florida. Because at this point it's six make or break states. At least Pennsylvania is looking better than 2016.
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Jul 25, 2019 06:16
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Flopsy posted:If you're sorry maybe you can admit what you said so your pals stop making fun of me for reacting to it. oh gently caress Okay look man I'm sorry to be the one to tell you this but actually we're building concentration camps here and putting tens of thousands of people in them. We're tearing families apart and people are dying. Seriously just wait until the gateway opens up again and get away as fast as you can.
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Jul 25, 2019 06:17
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Flopsy posted:I'm beginning to get the idea. See how quickly you’ve shifted the goalposts from “I have been called a fascist” to “you said something I believe implied I support something bad. Also people bullied me by disagreeing with me”
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Jul 25, 2019 06:17
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Trabisnikof posted:See how quickly you’ve shifted the goalposts from “I have been called a fascist” to “you said something I believe implied I support something bad. Also people bullied me by disagreeing with me” Congratulations. I'm done. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Jul 25, 2019 06:18
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This thread has been bullying me for months on end and the mods refuse to intervene. Its honestly insane what Bernie stans can get away with here
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Jul 25, 2019 06:19
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I feel like Jonathan Pie after election night trying to explain to rabid Clintonites why their candidate lost super hard: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLG9g7BcjKs&t=13s
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Jul 25, 2019 06:20
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Eschenique posted:Can anyone help clear up the last primary? why don't you come down to the c-spam democrat primary thread, they can clarify it for you  they love relitigating the 2016 primary, its a hobby of theirs so you basically can relive it verbatim as if you were there in real timei feel like this is more for the 2020 primary so you're better off getting a history lesson there friend.
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Jul 25, 2019 06:21
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Flopsy posted:I'm beginning to get the idea. Oh my god I missed this precious moment
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Flopsy posted:I'm beginning to get the idea. Flopsy posted:You implied that because I used that term I secretly support the camps or some other atrocious poo poo. While the rest pile on and bully the gently caress out of me. Christ sakes I hope you aren't on any election committees. If I didn't hate trump/GOP as much i do I'd run screaming in the other direction.
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Jul 25, 2019 06:21
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Bullies! Bullies! You’re all bullies! None of you are free from sin!
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Flopsy posted:Do you genuinely think independents are going to turn out for somebody who openly identifies as a socialist which republicans are successfully using as a national boogieman? Like there's an incredible amount of purity wank in this thread and it's so extreme I can't tell what real and what's parody here. Yes, they absolutely will. You're scared, that's okay. Just shut up lib and vote blue no matter who when Warchief Bernie is the nominee.
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Jul 25, 2019 06:24
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Lastgirl posted:There’s no such thing as independents. Also, just as an aside, a hefty 239 pound presidential sized lmao @ libelling the centrist circlejerk electoralist neolib barn a "purity wank" capital wank, sure i guess but purity wank? you have to have an ethos first to have a purity wank crazy cloud fucked around with this message at 06:28 on Jul 25, 2019 |
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Jul 25, 2019 06:25
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Flopsy posted:Do you genuinely think independents are going to turn out for somebody who openly identifies as a socialist which republicans are successfully using as a national boogieman? Like there's an incredible amount of purity wank in this thread and it's so extreme I can't tell what real and what's parody here. Want to get really depressed? Then go on a trip down memory lane and list all the failed presidential candidates that have been deemed "electable" by the Democratic establishment starting with Dukakis. Centrist pod people. Every. Single. One.
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Jul 25, 2019 06:26
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Anyway if you're still reading Flopsy the point of all this is that while electing Bernie Sanders might seem like some far out poo poo for you, you're from a timeline where like Hillary was slightly less a fuckup than in ours, or maybe Obama won a third term somehow, or maybe you're from the timeline where Jeb won or something I dunno. But for us electing Bernie Sanders would actually be a pretty mundane, boring thing to happen. I mean unequivocally good, of course, but just not like social upheaval or whatever since we already did that, thank you very much.
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Jul 25, 2019 06:27
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Svaha posted:Want to get really depressed? Then go on a trip down memory lane and list all the failed presidential candidates that have been deemed "electable" by the Democratic establishment starting with Dukakis. Centrist pod people. Every. Single. One. The voice of the principled 2004 anti gwb party accepting the nom:]: I'm Johnathon Johnathin Jingleheimer Joseph Kerry III, and I'm reporting for doody
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Jul 25, 2019 06:29
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Flopsy posted:Wisconsin just elected a republican supreme court and is teetering on the razor's edge. You wanna give them an excuse? Just? Are you from 2010?
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Flopsy posted:You implied that because I used that term I secretly support the camps or some other atrocious poo poo. While the rest pile on and bully the gently caress out of me. Christ sakes I hope you aren't on any election committees. Phone posted:Just? Are you from 2010?
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