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The Dave posted:We sent some guys out to test Verizon’s 5G in Chicago and both a tree and a window completely killed their service when they were on the right side of the street that actually had 5g. Of course they also lost it if they crossed the street. This is how 5G will work forever. It will be called 6G when it works, 5G hardware will not work and I have a distinct feeling 5G will be unceremoniously murdered for the frequencies for 6G. Tab8715 posted:Do you think Apple will somehow manage a notchless screen with a complete edge to edge screen? Or pretty drat close? I hope Apple will manage a screen with proper borders again sometime soon. I loving hate it when I try to hold the phone by its edges and my fat fingers touch enough of the edge to cause the touch screen to go all haywire.
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The Dave posted:We sent some guys out to test Verizon’s 5G in Chicago and both a tree and a window completely killed their service when they were on the right side of the street that actually had 5g. Of course they also lost it if they crossed the street. lolol.. I have to wonder exactly what market niche they are shooting for with 5G... It couldn't possibly ever be of much use for a mobile device... It would be OK for fixed points though. To get remotely usable service in a city for a mobile device they are literally going to have to put an antenna on every light post, and that will only get it working outside. In a rural setting it would probably never work given that trees have leaves. 28 and 39Ghz (the frequencies that Verizon is using) is blocked by just about everything.
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Jul 25, 2019 16:14
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The XR is one of the best phones they’ve made in years, just buy that phone instead of “waiting for the good year”
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Jul 25, 2019 16:29
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Tab8715 posted:Do you think Apple will somehow manage a notchless screen with a complete edge to edge screen? Or pretty drat close? Sure, one day, why not? We already know that 'under the screen' technologies exist, so it's only a matter of time until they improve to a point where sensor and camera elements can be contained underneath a screen and maintain a functionality/standard satisfactory for Apple (and others) to use in their products.
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Jul 25, 2019 16:29
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stevewm posted:lolol.. 5G is a real good idea if you want to kill all legacy data plans and make new 5G data plans that cost more
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Jul 25, 2019 16:31
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FCKGW posted:5G is a real good idea if you want to kill all legacy data plans and make new 5G data plans that cost more Don't forget endlessly bragging how your coverage is better than everyone else's coverage. The last ten years of mobile carrier ads are about to be repeated.
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Jul 25, 2019 16:33
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Spikey Willow posted:Sure, one day, why not? We already know that 'under the screen' technologies exist, so it's only a matter of time until they improve to a point where sensor and camera elements can be contained underneath a screen and maintain a functionality/standard satisfactory for Apple (and others) to use in their products. Can we really say the technology exists? I only know of one company that has the camera itself under the glass and even then you can still kind of see it and it has to do a bunch of algorithmic fixes to every photo taken. Apple also has a lot more crammed into the notch than just a camera.
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Jul 25, 2019 17:19
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Right now the notch is what separates iPhones from all other glass slabs. I don't see Apple getting rid of that unless they can find some other way to trademark their design. There's always the back with the logo, but every iPhone model is unmistakably an iPhone when viewed from the front.
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Jul 25, 2019 17:36
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The Dave posted:Can we really say the technology exists? I only know of one company that has the camera itself under the glass and even then you can still kind of see it and it has to do a bunch of algorithmic fixes to every photo taken. Thats kind of my point though. Under-screen cameras and fingerprint sensors already exist, albeit with flaws. I don't think it's a huge stretch to imagine that in years to come they will be refined to the point we could see an edge to edge screen with that technology in an Apple product.
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Jul 25, 2019 17:38
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FCKGW posted:The XR is one of the best phones they’ve made in years, just buy that phone instead of “waiting for the good year” BuT tHe NoTcH 😭😭
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Jul 25, 2019 17:41
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Make the notch white so I can tell which way up my phone is, I say as the mob drag my bleeding body to the pits.
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Jul 25, 2019 17:45
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I just want a new small phone. My SE is perfect, give me a new phone in that form factor.
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Jul 25, 2019 18:04
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Purr Objectives posted:BuT tHe NoTcH 😭😭 Unironically this
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Jul 25, 2019 18:09
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Arivia posted:I just want a new small phone. My SE is perfect, give me a new phone in that form factor. This is what I want but alas They have thrown the concept of smallphone into the sea
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Jul 25, 2019 18:15
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Give me the 4SE, Apple. I’m ready to go back to perfection.
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Jul 25, 2019 18:20
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Krispy Wafer posted:Right now the notch is what separates iPhones from all other glass slabs. I don't see Apple getting rid of that unless they can find some other way to trademark their design. There's always the back with the logo, but every iPhone model is unmistakably an iPhone when viewed from the front. lol a bunch of android phones have copied the notch, including a few that have ample space above it for the camera/speaker Not a Children posted:My iphone SE's digitizer is crapping out, and I think it's high time for an upgrade. I don't want to use faceID; is an iPhone 8 still worth upgrading to, or should I just bite the bullet and wait for the XR 2? If you're handy you can replace your screen/digitizer for like $30 to hold you over until the new phones come out. It requires the proprietary apple screwdriver and a spudge but no glue-melting shenanigans
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Jul 25, 2019 18:25
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Arivia posted:I just want a new small phone. My SE is perfect, give me a new phone in that form factor. While I hate how my wife's 6S+ feels in my hand, typing on it felt pretty great. I'm thinking the regular-sized new phones might be the sweet spot. Though I suppose I should spend some time with both an 11(?) and XR2 in my hands to see which "small" phone feels best.
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Jul 25, 2019 18:33
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Newer iOS releases have a ton of wasted space (Messages  ) and they aren't really accommodating 4" screens very well at all any more.
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Jul 25, 2019 18:40
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FCKGW posted:The XR is one of the best phones they’ve made in years, just buy that phone instead of “waiting for the good year” Alternately, we're a few months out from the next iPhones, if you can just hold onto yours until you can upgrade then. I'm holding onto my 7+ and will probably get whatever XR equivalent comes out this year.
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Clark Nova posted:Newer iOS releases have a ton of wasted space (Messages Sounds like an excellent reason to get rid of all that wasted space and make the UI good again!
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Jul 25, 2019 18:44
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FCKGW posted:The XR is one of the best phones they’ve made in years, just buy that phone instead of “waiting for the good year” I have an XR and a 7 Plus and still prefer the latter. The 7 Plus manages to have a wider screen (better for typing on), Touch ID, no terrible notch and a significantly sharper screen while being significantly better feeling in the hand and less bulky in the pocket. The only thing the XR has going for it is battery life and more storage (but that part was my fault for cheating out and buying the 32GB 7 Plus).
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Jul 25, 2019 20:19
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Apple just bought Intel’s modem division for 1 billion dollars.
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Jul 25, 2019 21:20
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dissss posted:I have an XR and a 7 Plus and still prefer the latter. The 7 Plus manages to have a wider screen (better for typing on), Touch ID, no terrible notch and a significantly sharper screen while being significantly better feeling in the hand and less bulky in the pocket. the XR is effectively the non-plus phone in terms of price/feature point this generation. Its like saying a 2014 BMW is nicer than a 2019 Hyundai. it is nicer, but it also isnt the same market segment.
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Jul 25, 2019 23:15
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I think it’s interesting that only in the world of Apple is complaining about notches seen as a bad thing. Everywhere else you look, everyone has mutually agreed notches are bad and everyone actively works towards getting rid of them.
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Jul 25, 2019 23:26
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I would rather have a lighter, slightly smaller XR without a failnotch.
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Jul 25, 2019 23:31
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Notch is fine Face ID is good. Buncha babies.
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LODGE NORTH posted:I think it’s interesting that only in the world of Apple is complaining about notches seen as a bad thing. Everywhere else you look, everyone has mutually agreed notches are bad and everyone actively works towards getting rid of them. Dear Leader approves of the notch, so it is obviously cool and good: https://www.dailynk.com/english/the-pyongyang-2425s-real-manufacturer-is-in-china/ I think the correct term for the 2019 iPhone collection so far is underwhelming. Unless a third camera and slightly larger battery are compelling reasons for you to upgrade I don’t see a lot of push to replace a working phone. If I was in the market for a phone I’d start with Apple Refurbished and work down from there. https://www.apple.com/shop/refurbished/iphone The 2020 talk is more than just 5G. The X has been through it’s 3rd generation so it’s likely refresh time, a 5nm processor is rumored, 5G will at least be there for future use and maybe just maybe the notch can go away (let’s be honest here, even Apple marketing goes out of their way to hide it) for those of us that are landscape mode aficionados. If you’re not a yearly upgrader the 2019 lineup so far looks like a recipe for disappointment.
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Laserface posted:the XR is effectively the non-plus phone in terms of price/feature point this generation. Its like saying a 2014 BMW is nicer than a 2019 Hyundai. it is nicer, but it also isnt the same market segment. Except it’s still more expensive than the 7 Plus (or 8 Plus) was at launch.
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dissss posted:Except it’s still more expensive than the 7 Plus (or 8 Plus) was at launch. Those are bad phones though.
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Matt Zerella posted:Those are bad phones though. Not in my opinion. That was the entire point of my first post.
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Boris Galerkin posted:Apple just bought Intel’s modem division for 1 billion dollars. My bet is 2020 will be the last iPhone with a Qualcomm modem. Apple *hates* Qualcomm as much as (or more than) they hated Samsung, and the option to tell them to gently caress themselves is going to be appealing enough they won’t care whether there’s a performance hit. (Which is fine because the “Intel modems suck” stuff has always been overblown.)
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Matt Zerella posted:Notch is fine Face ID is good. Buncha babies. yeah I gotta say as mad as I was about touchID going away, once I used faceID I was a convert. it is objectively better until you get into dumb 'covertly unlock my phone while its on a flat surface off axis to my face because Im some weird shy person that wants to go 100% unnoticed in society' and even then just use your loving pin code. faceID failures, in my experience: too far away from the phone (ie, car dash mount), immediately after waking up (squinting and face half in pillow) too off axis from the screen. At most, probably 5-10 a day touchID failures I experienced: dirty finger, dirty sensor, finger too cold, finger too hot, not quite on sensor enough, doesnt work through gloves (warm gloves or rubber gloves), didnt work if I had been playing Xbox (the textured joystick would imprint onto my thumb print). probably 30-50 failures a day, easy. Usually just entering pin because the muscle memory is actually faster than lifting and placing my thumb again or wiping the sensor. the only time im using pin on my XS is when I havent used it for so long that the phone needs it to keep using faceID. the fact theres no bezels and more screen and unlocking the phone is made 1000x better makes the notch a worthy tradeoff if you find it to be an actual negative rather than a technical limitation, and if you do its because you're probably some 'Jobs would never stand for this' rear end in a top hat. dissss posted:Except it’s still more expensive than the 7 Plus (or 8 Plus) was at launch. wow new thing is more expensive than old thing 
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I forgot, do glasses mess up faceid or no? Also I wonder if you had a first gen touchid, that seems like an extremely high number of failures. I get like maaaaybe 3-5 a day on a Pixel 3, and touchid shouldn't be any worse than that (I also work inside on a computer, which helps).
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sourdough posted:I forgot, do glasses mess up faceid or no? Also I wonder if you had a first gen touchid, that seems like an extremely high number of failures. I get like maaaaybe 3-5 a day on a Pixel 3, and touchid shouldn't be any worse than that (I also work inside on a computer, which helps). Normal glasses? No. Some sunglasses block the dot projector though.
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Jul 26, 2019 01:47
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FaceID works through my hockey helmet cage, which is both cool and scary because it makes me think FaceID is about as secure as taping passwords to a monitor.
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No problems with Face ID on my XR except when wearing sunglasses. My prior iPhone 7 I had about 80% success rate with Touch id. I have about a 10% success rate on my 2017 iPad 9.7" with touch id despite reloading new fingerprints each month or two, it seems exceptionally fussy.
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Laserface posted:wow new thing is more expensive than old thing To use your car analogy it’s like a 2019 Hyundai all of a sudden costs more than a 2014 BMW did when it came out.
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dissss posted:To use your car analogy it’s like a 2019 Hyundai all of a sudden costs more than a 2014 BMW did when it came out. except in this situation, the hyundai would have almost entirely better parts.
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sourdough posted:I forgot, do glasses mess up faceid or no? Also I wonder if you had a first gen touchid, that seems like an extremely high number of failures. I get like maaaaybe 3-5 a day on a Pixel 3, and touchid shouldn't be any worse than that (I also work inside on a computer, which helps). I had a 6 and a 7, and while the 7 was better/faster, it still failed significantly more than faceID does, and I wear polarised sunglasses/hats any time I am outdoors, basically. the only place it really struggles consistently is in my car, where its mounted at the very maximum distance from my face that faceID is capable of handling, and the steering wheel is close enough that it could potentially interfere. It seems to cope better in daylight than night time, oddly enough.
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