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18 | 1.46% |
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665 | 54.11% |
| Elizabeth Warren, the Plan Maker |
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319 | 25.96% |
| Kamala Harris, the Cop Lord |
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26 | 2.12% |
| Cory Booker, the Super Hero Wannabe |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Julian Castro, the Twin |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Kirsten Gillibrand, the Franken Killer |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Pete Buttigieg, the Troop Sociopath |
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17 | 1.38% |
| Robert Francis O'Rourke, the Fake Latino |
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3 | 0.24% |
| Jay Inslee, the Climate Alarmist |
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8 | 0.65% |
| Marianne Williamson, the Crystal Queen |
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86 | 7.00% |
| Tulsi Gabbard, the Muslim Hater |
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23 | 1.87% |
| Andrew Yang, the $1000 Fool |
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32 | 2.60% |
| Eric Swalwell, the Insurance Wife Guy |
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2 | 0.16% |
| Amy Klobuchar, the Comb Enthusiast |
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1 | 0.08% |
| Bill de Blasio, the NYPD Most Hated |
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4 | 0.33% |
| Tim Ryan, the Dope Face |
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3 | 0.24% |
| John Hickenlooper, the Also Ran |
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7 | 0.57% |
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KingNastidon posted:Why can't both be true that Sanders has good polling among racial minorities, especially young folks, but simply not enough to win South Carolina? It's the state that people are focusing on along with NH and Iowa so everyone is exposed to more polling there. Bernie doesn't have a black voter problem, he just isn't capturing as much as Biden/Harris and is unlikely to do so because they tend to lean more moderate. Now your argument might be "there is a path to the nomination that doesn't include South Carolina, but only Warren can use it", if that's the argument then what states exactly are her path that somehow excludes the rust belt and the south and the west coast.
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Jul 26, 2019 12:52
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Gripweed posted:I'm not gonna read the article but I assume they're threatening to SWAT critics of Harris? An easy assumption. Pretty much all the talk of BernieBros is projection.
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Jul 26, 2019 13:05
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Eschenique posted:Sorry to roll back on this again but did Bernie cut staff hours to reach the $15 an hour goal? All sources I google are just "Bernie DESTROYED by reality of capitalism" or opinion pieces. Bernie's employees were salaried at ~15 an hour. Then they started working more hours, which effectively lowered their pay to ~13 an hour. Bernie offered some compensation, but due to the magic of health insurance it would have ended up cutting their pay even more. So they agreed to the same salary, but fewer hours. Effectively raising their pay and cutting their hours. In the end they're getting paid the same and having to work fewer hours to do so.
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Jul 26, 2019 13:23
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HootTheOwl posted:Bernie's employees were salaried at ~15 an hour. Yepp someone cleared this up. Thanks.
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Jul 26, 2019 13:28
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Marxalot posted:Good. We don't need a bunch of busted rear end #stillwithher neolibs who keep losing elections. We're not going to get anywhere by trying to cater to rich center-right white people who are more worried about optics and whether or not someone called them an rear end in a top hat at a party 4 years ago because they wouldn't shut up about how Clinton was right about us really needing "regime change" in Libya. The people you’re picturing aren’t the people you’re trying to win over. The lower class Hillary ‘16 voters were rooting for someone who didn’t want Republicans gutting PP, Roe and ACA. The typical American voter doesn’t give a gently caress about Libya. And those two paragraphs highlighted exactly what I mean - the people you need are the people you’re cussing out, and yelling gently caress YOU WE DONT NEED YOU tells me you’re the person who talked a bunch of poo poo in every arena - online and off - that created the overarching impression of “boy, Bernie seems alright, but all his supporters are assholes.” They don’t care if you begrudgingly pulled the lever. They care that you’re a loving rear end in a top hat. If you came to my door selling Bernie like this, I’d tell you to get hosed and vote for anyone but Bernie. quote:It's incredibly telling that you seem to think the only way people can understand why they don't want to pay $500/mo in employer subsidized healthcare premiums is if they've read Marx. You don't have to read 19th century German politics nerds to know that cutting welfare and giving your boss greater freedom to fire you isn't exactly ideal if you want to see 50. And it’s incredibly telling that saying “Bernie can’t win, his supporters are assholes and his message gets lost in the belligerence” triggers a chorus of FOOL! CENTRIST! BIDEN LOVER! MSNBC WATCHER! This is my point. The majority of the last day in this thread was a parade extolling the virtues of the vaccine-skeptic self-help-for-profit joke candidate, because at least she was never a Republican at some point. Prester Jane could write a whole chapter in her book on cults on the compaction cycle that went on here. Y’all made mcmagic sound reasonable. Thing is, again, Bernie has good policies that would change the world for the better. He’d make people’s lives suck less. That said, he’d need to convince voters and legislators of the same, and there’s been enough built in resistance from the people he’s burned, and the people his supporters have burned, that even the message you’re trying to get across - health care, retirement, social safety net - is lost in the fact that votes you need are gone, and they won’t come back in time to get you the nom. quote:Yeah it really shouldn't shock anyone that "affordable access to healthcare outcomes" sounds identical or even superior to "Medicare for All" to the upper class. Worrying about $500/mo insurance premiums isn't in their vocabulary, and Medicare is that thing that one of their older uncles living on a fixed income (poors) use. They only fight as hard as they do for the ACA because they realize that, even with their 6 figure income, they're probably going to die if their insurer screams "preexisting condition" at them when the cancer comes back. Multiple candidates have that tack now. Bernie, like others have said, will likely end up as the Barry Goldwater of his movement. The one who didn’t win, but influenced a generation and built his ideology with a wave of candidates, lower office and high, in ways that he himself never could. Be proud of that. Be amazed by that. You should be. He’s never going to build a coalition himself. But he’s built a movement, and that’s far, far more valuable. He changed the conversation, he shifted the window, and the people who’ve come in his wake, and are still coming, will get us where we need to go.
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And in the end, Bernie, like Caesar, is slain not by his most bitter foes, but by his closest Stans.
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Jul 26, 2019 14:09
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Your Boy Fancy posted:He’s never going to build a coalition himself. But he’s built a movement, and that’s far, far more valuable. He changed the conversation, he shifted the window, and the people who’ve come in his wake, and are still coming, will get us where we need to go. Nope you're going to get us all, and the entire planet, killed with your neoliberal jack offery, actually.
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Jul 26, 2019 14:10
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ross perot in hell posted:Nope you're going to get us all, and the entire planet, killed with your neoliberal jack offery, actually. So do you lead with that in your canvassing or
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Jul 26, 2019 14:13
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Your Boy Fancy posted:So do you lead with that in your canvassing or I can't canvass, because until Bernie is president and restores voting rights for those in prison, none of my neighbors in the sixth level of inferno can even register to vote! (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Jul 26, 2019 14:15
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Love to straight-up make up a massive offline contingent of Bernie Bros who just knock on people's doors and scream abuse at people.
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Rude rear end Bernie bros is literally all anyone is talking about. Been to a Starbucks recently?
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Oh Snapple! posted:Love to straight-up make up a massive offline contingent of Bernie Bros who just knock on people's doors and scream abuse at people. So there’s this website called Facebook
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Jul 26, 2019 14:25
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Your Boy Fancy posted:So there’s this website called Facebook I've got some bad news for you about Clinton fans
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Jul 26, 2019 14:27
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Your Boy Fancy posted:So there’s this website called Facebook Did someone call you a centrist boomer on FB? Is that what this is all about? There's definitely something to be said for seducing people to socialism rather than berating them into it, but I don't think that's what you're after.
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Your Boy Fancy posted:So there’s this website called Facebook Nah you were straight up insinuating that this was an IRL problem so don't give me this goalpost moving poo poo. Moreover, back up that this was even an actual issue to begin with instead of continued projection.
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I love the constant attempts to frame acquiescence to power as a positive. Bernie manages to lead among both Hispanic voters and fox news voters, sets the policy basis for the entire party, embraces those who embraced his agenda without ever going where were you 4 years ago, gets a leadership position in the Senate: can't form a coalition! Gets called everything from a stalinist to someone who makes your skin crawl, but you see, the real issue is mean people on Twitter! And what bugs me is the obvious bad faith. All this talk of coalition and getting along is code for coddling the comfortable rich lanyard class by making it clear that they don't really mean change and that they will put party over policy and not primary anyone. That they think that their needs as insiders or wannabe insiders isnt centered enough.
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Jul 26, 2019 14:33
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Pembroke Fuse posted:Did someone call you a centrist boomer on FB? Is that what this is all about? He worked for Ralph Northam and has been having an anti-left tantrum ever since.
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Literally 99% of the complaining about Bernie is 'stop making us look bad' and the rest is about transparent lies.
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Oh Snapple! posted:Nah you were straight up insinuating that this was an IRL problem so don't give me this goalpost moving poo poo. Go read my post. All arenas. Offline and online alike. Oh Snapple! posted:He worked for Ralph Northam and has been having an anti-left tantrum ever since. I work for the labor movement and got called a class traitor, so you can see how that would inform an opinion or two.
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Calibanibal posted:Rude rear end Bernie bros is literally all anyone is talking about. Been to a Starbucks recently? 'ban' is short for 'bernie stan'
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Calibanibal posted:Rude rear end Bernie bros is literally all anyone is talking about. Been to a Starbucks recently? I only go to hipster coffee shops
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Your Boy Fancy posted:Go read my post. All arenas. Offline and online alike. is a man not safe to attend a taping of american gladiators nowadays???
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Literally 99% of the complaining about Bernie is 'stop making us look bad' and the rest is about transparent lies. There's also the "people were personally mean to me in my careerist climb up the lanyard ladder" types. It must be tough to go from "i can lecture you on the reality of politics because i was a low level volunteer in a campaign" to "i am the guy who defended blackface" so it's unsurprising.
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Your Boy Fancy posted:So there’s this website called Facebook Do you personally control everything every 2016 Hillary supporter wrote on Facebook ever, because if so you need to be held accountable for their posting crimes
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basement dweller posted:maybe if they dig up some photos of bernie in blackface fancy will join his campaign Maybe if they dig up, thread
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basement dweller posted:maybe if they dig up some photos of bernie in blackface fancy will join his campaign This is an outrageous allegation, you can't prove Northam was in blackface when he could have been the guy in the KKK hood. It's impossible to ever know, because he wore blackface so much he can't remember which particular photos of blackface were of him.
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VitalSigns posted:This is an outrageous allegation, you can't prove Northam was in blackface when he could have been the guy in the KKK hood. It's impossible to ever know, because he wore blackface so much he can't remember which particular photos of blackface were of him. that photo is just loving art on the highest level
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Your Boy Fancy posted:The people you’re picturing aren’t the people you’re trying to win over. The lower class Hillary ‘16 voters were rooting for someone who didn’t want Republicans gutting PP, Roe and ACA. The typical American voter doesn’t give a gently caress about Libya. And those two paragraphs highlighted exactly what I mean - the people you need are the people you’re cussing out, and yelling gently caress YOU WE DONT NEED YOU tells me you’re the person who talked a bunch of poo poo in every arena - online and off - that created the overarching impression of “boy, Bernie seems alright, but all his supporters are assholes.” Aren't you doing the exact same thing you're complaining about here. Instead of trying to convince people to support your preferred candidate on the basis of their policy and beliefs and ability to make our lives better, you're just making personal attacks on other candidates' supporters and calling them assholes. E: also I'm pretty sure "gently caress YOU WE DON'T NEED YOU" is projection, that was all coming from hillarymen to deflect legitimate criticism of her policies and record, right up until election day when oops I guess she did need those votes after all VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 15:21 on Jul 26, 2019 |
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Ghost Leviathan posted:What does it say when angry nerds can destroy your entire political institution It says a lot about how out of touch with reality some extremely online nerds are if they think that.
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Your Boy Fancy posted:The people you’re picturing aren’t the people you’re trying to win over. The lower class Hillary ‘16 voters were rooting for someone who didn’t want Republicans gutting PP, Roe and ACA. The typical American voter doesn’t give a gently caress about Libya. And those two paragraphs highlighted exactly what I mean - the people you need are the people you’re cussing out, and yelling gently caress YOU WE DONT NEED YOU tells me you’re the person who talked a bunch of poo poo in every arena - online and off - that created the overarching impression of “boy, Bernie seems alright, but all his supporters are assholes.” You can ignore where I said that the problem is the party pandering to rich assholes all you want, but "Lower class hillary supporters" also aren't the ones screaming that better things aren't possible at the top of their lungs in every media outlet in the country. Nor are they writing sad news stories about the time someone called them a shithead propagandist just because they wrote an article titled "Bernie wants to take Insurance from 180m Americans!". Also I'm pretty sure that being mad online enough that you would oppose healthcare reform would make you some kind of psychopath. Your Boy Fancy posted:And it’s incredibly telling that saying “Bernie can’t win, his supporters are assholes and his message gets lost in the belligerence” triggers a chorus of FOOL! CENTRIST! BIDEN LOVER! MSNBC WATCHER! This is my point. The majority of the last day in this thread was a parade extolling the virtues of the vaccine-skeptic self-help-for-profit joke candidate, because at least she was never a Republican at some point. Prester Jane could write a whole chapter in her book on cults on the compaction cycle that went on here. Y’all made mcmagic sound reasonable. "I'm only repeating batshit propaganda from the most conservative wing of the Democratic party why do people keep Also nobody cares about Marianne except 1 guy and the 3 people who keep poking at him for a reaction.  Your Boy Fancy posted:Thing is, again, Bernie has good policies that would change the world for the better. He’d make people’s lives suck less. That said, he’d need to convince voters and legislators of the same, and there’s been enough built in resistance from the people he’s burned, and the people his supporters have burned, that even the message you’re trying to get across - health care, retirement, social safety net - is lost in the fact that votes you need are gone, and they won’t come back in time to get you the nom. The whole "I would support better things but they aren't possible because someone called me an idiot online. Have a box of doughnuts and some water for your troubles and run along now." gimmick was really tired in like, 2016. Maybe we'd all be more excited about the future of politicians "influenced in the generation to come" if there was a credible guarantee we'd even live that long, or maybe this is the thread about a primary and most of the posts are more worried about ~8 months from now and not whether or not we'll be forced to pay $rent to Cigna or take a hit on taxes again. Marxalot fucked around with this message at 15:37 on Jul 26, 2019 |
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Me: grandma what do you think about Bernie Grandma: Well he seems very nice but his internet stans are a bunch of rear end in a top hat dipshits
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Also p sure that Hillary's lowest support was among low-income Democrats, and it was the richest 10% that went for her by the really huge margins. Fake edit: yep A Key Divide Between Clinton and Sanders Supporters: Income quote:Mr. Sanders’s weakness among affluent voters is potentially a bad sign for his chances. In 2008, voters making more than $100,000 a year represented 25 percent of the national electorate but just 19 percent of Iowa caucus-goers, suggesting that the state may be a relatively good one for a candidate, like Mr. Sanders, who does best among less affluent voters. On Super Tuesday, the most liberal states happen to be particularly affluent ones, like Massachusetts, Colorado, Virginia and Minnesota. 
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Your Boy Fancy posted:Multiple candidates have that tack now. Of the lot of them, maybe one (Warren) is even partially sincere in those beliefs, and even she'd water them the gently caress down the minute it hit any resistance (if not beforehand).
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I have a dream, that one day we will incrementally develop a commission to draft a plan to advance access to better things.
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