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Potato Salad posted:is this due to the dress code expectations of airlines? The flight school in question does trumpet an agreement they have with Envoy, but... no. It’s not, to the best of my knowledge.
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It’s that time of year! Yearly outdated online training time! Me daily  Also me daily  It’s uncanny!  And my close favorite, the “oh poo poo we got in the wrong airplane!” slide 
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Rolo posted:And my close favorite, the “oh poo poo we got in the wrong airplane!” slide In fairness, this IS how the Comair crash at LEX started.
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CBJSprague24 posted:In fairness, this IS how the Comair crash at LEX started. Pretty sure no loaded CRJ-200 could've used the runway they chose.
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Jul 25, 2019 19:58
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hobbesmaster posted:Pretty sure no loaded CRJ-200 could've used the runway they chose. 3500ft is pretty optimistic, nigh impossible, for a CRJ200. e: quote:Polehinke filed a lawsuit against the airport and the company that designed the runway and taxi lights
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Jul 25, 2019 20:09
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e.pilot posted:Boy these standardized runway and taxi signs sure are confusing. It is weird with no lights.
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Jul 25, 2019 20:17
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hobbesmaster posted:It is weird with no lights. No lights when you're supposed to be taking off on a runway with lights just adds further red flags.
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Jul 25, 2019 20:19
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e.pilot posted:No lights when you're supposed to be taking off on a runway with lights just adds further red flags. (those were the captain's last words)
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Not sure if I'm in the right thread but I thought I'd give it a shot since I know there's a lot of pilots in here. I went up in a 2 seat glider today and it was fun. Except for the part where I was an inch from barfing, which was almost the entire time except for the bits where we were going straight and level. Despite that, I'd still like to try again. I'm not sure i want to go as far as getting a glider licence, but I want to try it again to see how I feel about it, since I like the idea, and I don't think it's reasonable to make a conclusive judgement after one 20 minute very queasy flight. So to get to the point, what can I do to minimise the nausea? I had the air vents open and the breeze helped, it had been several hours since I ate since I didn't want to go up on a full stomach (for what little good it did), I was reasonably hydrated. I realise that some of the rollercoaster stuff is unavoidable since the only way to get airspeed is nosing down and riding thermals can be bumpy so thats just poo poo I'm going to live with. Is it just a matter of sucking up hours of barfy airtime until I get used to it? Is there anything I can do on the ground or at home to build tolerance? Would air sickness medication help? Help appreciated, especially from glider guys.
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Do you get motion sick in cars? Seasick? If no, motion sickness in the first couple times in a light airplane is perfectly normal, and will almost certainly go away. If yes, it’ll probably still go away, but it will take longer. Motion sickness medications will help, but exposure is just about the best thing. I would get mildly motion sick the first couple times I flew in light planes, but after maybe five or ten hours, it doesn’t happen anymore.
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Jul 28, 2019 13:50
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If the nausea is debilitating, using motion sickness meds a few times can help you get the exposure you need without you spending the entire time hurling or about to hurl. Source: me, who had to do this in the T-6.
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Jul 28, 2019 14:34
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It's a matter of getting used to what's going to happen. It's a tolerance thing. My suggestion, bring a couple of water bottles that are frozen. Keep one between your legs and when you feel sick, hold it in your hands and look at the horizon.
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This may sound counterintuitive, but ensuring you’ve eaten and are well hydrated will also help reduce your chances of airsickness. If you didn’t yack on your first flight though, you probably won’t on future flights.
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The Jeppesen Private Pilot textbook that I had as a student suggested it takes roughly 10 lessons/hours to get over the initial motion sickness you experience and was fairly accurate. There was a point in my training at which things improved drastically, though there were still triggers which could cause nausea. Still, use of motion sickness meds was highly discouraged in my case.hobbesmaster posted:Pretty sure no loaded CRJ-200 could've used the runway they chose. No, but the fact they boarded and started the APU on the wrong airplane and only caught it after a ramp agent climbed in the plane and told them was the first of many fuckups that morning.
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Can someone explain where the meowing on guard thing in America comes from? I fly mostly in Europe and never hear it.
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SomeDrunkenMick posted:Can someone explain where the meowing on guard thing in America comes from? I fly mostly in Europe and never hear it. Legend states it began at Great Lakes Airlines.
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MrYenko posted:Do you get motion sick in cars? Seasick? If no, motion sickness in the first couple times in a light airplane is perfectly normal, and will almost certainly go away. Kinda? I occasionally get carsick but the few times I've been out on a boat I was surprisingly resistant to seasickness. overdesigned posted:If the nausea is debilitating, using motion sickness meds a few times can help you get the exposure you need without you spending the entire time hurling or about to hurl. It was kind of bad. I didn't hurl chunks but I had to call "your aircraft" because I couldn't focus enough and needed my hands to hold the sick sack.  Maybe airsickness meds might help.
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Jul 29, 2019 00:48
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Carth Dookie posted:Kinda? I occasionally get carsick but the few times I've been out on a boat I was surprisingly resistant to seasickness. Try the eating a good meal and being well-hydrated thing.
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Can't hurt! Checking out pricing, it seems that per hour costs roughly the same as light sport aircraft training, largely because of tug plane fees, unless you get good weather and can soar longer to offset the initial launch fee. Also having an engine may allow less aggressive maeuvering to help overcoming initial airsickness. Hmmmm
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Carth Dookie posted:Can't hurt! Checking out pricing, it seems that per hour costs roughly the same as light sport aircraft training, largely because of tug plane fees, unless you get good weather and can soar longer to offset the initial launch fee. Also having an engine may allow less aggressive maeuvering to help overcoming initial airsickness. Hmmmm That seems high? I don't have much in the way of glider experience, but the local group to me, the Philadelphia Glider Council, charges around $1k/year and average tow fees of $35/tow with instruction included (by CFI members I believe, I think all members are required to take turns doing support activities like wing running, and CFIs do support by letting students try to kill them) Alternatively, maybe light sport is real cheap near you, and you should do both!
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Could be. The club I'm at launches using a tug and you pay for time on the tug to get you to altitude, plus per minute on the glider. Cost of flying a plane is per tacho hour. Club fees are the same. Member to governing bodies are separate for plane and glider, and curiously, gliders cost more (not much, but still). Other gliding clubs launch using a winch and cost less because of that, but aren't as convenient in location. The "savings" on the glider only really apply when I can fly solo because the per minute cost of the glider is about half of the dual seat, and also when soaring time gets higher. Plane costs $150 per tacho hour, Glider costs roughly $75 to launch, and then $1.50 per minute in air for a dual seater, or 0.85-1.00 per minute for a solo glider. So at first 2 seating, it might cost more for the first hour. But the plane is going to cost $150 an hour, every hour, while the glider doesn't, and caps out in price after 3 hours. So the more gliding I do, the cheaper it gets, whereas the plane stays the same. Seems like a good reason to do both, really.
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This might be a good thing, I believe actually puking is the worst thing because it creates a habit/association in your head that you now have to break. It should be a little better next time.
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sanchez posted:This might be a good thing, I believe actually puking is the worst thing because it creates a habit/association in your head that you now have to break. It should be a little better next time. Fingers crossed. I've booked a flight in a powered bug smasher this weekend. We'll see if that makes a difference. I figure air time is air time but I'll probably focus on gliding first. Long term it works out cheaper.
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I submit myself for public ridicule, shaming, and the annals of idiotic ways to fail a checkride not using full power on short field takeoff
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You should’ve tried “Oh I thought you said flex field take off!”
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If it makes you feel any better, I very nearly failed my first time around by having a head-on collision illusion, pulling power back, and leveling off at pattern -200ft. (I WAS catching up with the guy in front of me hella fast, but not head-on as it appeared.) OK, that all said - I guess the thread wants me to post, because I have two things to post about now. I'm also in the "get nauseous to the point of horking" club, to which e.pilot can now attest. Exposure is indeed the only way to inoculate yourself to the effects, so if you're like me you'll just have to tough it out until your resistance comes up to meet your interest in flying. I went through a private pilot with this weakness, and if you love it enough, you'll find your way through in time. Related to that, the only medication that I believe works *while you are NOT PIC* is Bonine/meclizine (generic), as you won't fall asleep immediately. I've found it will still put you to sleep...later. (2-3 hours later? Maybe a bit more) Many others are just practically sleeping pills. Once you are solo/PIC, you can't use this crutch anymore, because the FAA (rightfully) finds it a little too mind altering. If you have an instructor to be PIC, feel free to try it and see how you react. You might warn your instructor that you're doing so if you do. If you want to look up exercises, the terms are "motion sickness habituation" - basically making yourself sick repeatedly on the ground. Do eat a small something before you fly, empty is worse than a little, but don't eat a lot. Fruit is great because it mostly comes back up the same if it needs to. Finally, THANK YOU to e.pilot for a great experience getting back into flying, and coming all the way down south to silly valley at least once. The exposure to someone with so much commercial experience was a real eye opener in being able to fly the aircraft to a higher standard than I previously thought possible.
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Dalrain posted:Related to that, the only medication that I believe works *while you are NOT PIC* is Bonine/meclizine (generic), as you won't fall asleep immediately. I've found it will still put you to sleep...later. (2-3 hours later? Maybe a bit more) Many others are just practically sleeping pills. Once you are solo/PIC, you can't use this crutch anymore, because the FAA (rightfully) finds it a little too mind altering. If you have an instructor to be PIC, feel free to try it and see how you react. You might warn your instructor that you're doing so if you do. quote:Do eat a small something before you fly, empty is worse than a little, but don't eat a lot. Fruit is great because it mostly comes back up the same if it needs to.  quote:Finally, THANK YOU to e.pilot for a great experience getting back into flying, and coming all the way down south to silly valley at least once. The exposure to someone with so much commercial experience was a real eye opener in being able to fly the aircraft to a higher standard than I previously thought possible.
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dupersaurus posted:I submit myself for public ridicule, shaming, and the annals of idiotic ways to fail a checkride All things being equal, I think I'd prefer a student fail the checkride this way rather than due to a sustained error in technique, because now your instructor has the task of figuring out why that mistake was made and helping you fix it. That's not difficult: you were under the pressure of a checkride, and basically made one nearly-instantaneous error. We'd probably review checklists and memory items for specialty takeoffs (this is one reason you always want to confirm RPM and engine gauges with brakes on -- it's not always to check whether the plane is working properly, it's also to confirm you've not made a configuration error), and I'd send you again. Compare that to someone who failed due to being +/- 400 feet in slow flight, for example (these examples are taken from real life by the way). Now, not only have you made a significant mistake, but I need to figure out why you didn't correct properly after getting 100-200 feet off your assigned altitude, and look for much more fundamental misunderstandings and errors.
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PT6A posted:failed due to being +/- 400 jesus I'm freaking out because I had trouble staying +/- 50 in steep turns the other day during solo practice
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PT6A posted:All things being equal, I think I'd prefer a student fail the checkride this way rather than due to a sustained error in technique, because now your instructor has the task of figuring out why that mistake was made and helping you fix it. That's not difficult: you were under the pressure of a checkride, and basically made one nearly-instantaneous error. We'd probably review checklists and memory items for specialty takeoffs (this is one reason you always want to confirm RPM and engine gauges with brakes on -- it's not always to check whether the plane is working properly, it's also to confirm you've not made a configuration error), and I'd send you again. Yeah pretty much, though I'm probably more frustrated about it being such a "trivial" thing than if it was something big like that. But other than that the examiner was very complementary about my flying, so that was nice. And he offered some interesting notes about things neither the instructors I've went up with noticed.
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I was beginning to think that the pilots at my new job didn't act like real pilots. Those fears were put to rest when I found this on the bulletin board in my soon-to-be new crew room: dupersaurus posted:I submit myself for public ridicule, shaming, and the annals of idiotic ways to fail a checkride  You've joined an elite group of pilots including several of my former students.....and myself.
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Flying in the morning can also be a good way to help reduce the chances of airsickness, as it's much smoother early in the day. I wish my first private instructor would have figured that out early in the going.
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Another thing that factored in to my initial nausea was being nervous and flying like an rear end in a top hat with lots of really abrupt, jerky small control movements. That doesn't help anybody, so if you're doing it, forcing yourself to calm down and be smooth (sometimes easier to say than do) may help.
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We have a student who bought a Twin Comanche to do his multi-engine training, but it’s not properly equipped for IFR and he’s running out of money. I just want a reality check on my current possibly-insane idea, which is to pay for an IFR-capable GPS and possibly an ADF (because lol Canada) in exchange for a share of the plane. How questionable of an idea is this, overall?
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PT6A posted:We have a student who bought a Twin Comanche to do his multi-engine training, but it’s not properly equipped for IFR and he’s running out of money. I just want a reality check on my current possibly-insane idea, which is to pay for an IFR-capable GPS and possibly an ADF (because lol Canada) in exchange for a share of the plane. How questionable of an idea is this, overall? If he’s already having money issues with it that sounds like a terrible idea.
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PT6A posted:We have a student who bought a Twin Comanche to do his multi-engine training, but it’s not properly equipped for IFR and he’s running out of money. I just want a reality check on my current possibly-insane idea, which is to pay for an IFR-capable GPS and possibly an ADF (because lol Canada) in exchange for a share of the plane. How questionable of an idea is this, overall? Don’t become financially involved with someone who is clearly financially illiterate.
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I don’t think he has money issues so much as he can’t afford a WAAS-capable GPS installation and has therefore wisely decided not to do it at the moment, but I still take your point.
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How did he afford an entire airplane if he can't afford an electronics package? What is he going to do for the inspections and maintenance?
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Animal posted:Don’t become financially involved with someone who is clearly financially illiterate. Not just blowing your airplane budget, but blowing it on a twin comanche. I don’t think you’d regret staying away. I’ve never known anyone to have even a passable financial experience with one of those planes, let alone sharing it with someone who isn’t wealthy.
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Rolo posted:Not just blowing your airplane budget, but blowing it on a twin comanche. My one student who bought a Twin Comanche crashed it and died on his very first flight.
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