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It was on a Mark Hamil post where he posted the panel of Superman saying people who are against immigrants are unAmerican. Comments are what you would expect. Also Dixon bums me out. Dude wrote some.of my fave comics in the 90s and while he was never a name I would follow looking back at my old comics and a lot that I read over and over again were written by him.
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Since both New Gods and Steranko were brought up a fun fact is Jack Kirby based Big Barda partially on his own wife and Scott Free on Jim Steranko. Jim Steranko is so cool that Jack "King" Kirby wrote slash fiction about his wife and Steranko.
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Jul 27, 2019 05:21
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 Kirby's got his problems, but when he gets lyrical it's amazing.
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Jul 27, 2019 05:51
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Kirby kept swapping the star and the A when he drew Captain America, to the point that they had to put a visual reminder on his drawing desk. That doesn't take one ounce away from how amazing he was.
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Jul 27, 2019 05:57
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Kirby is the greatest comic book artist and writer to have ever drawn or written a book. 
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Jul 27, 2019 08:04
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Mr Hootington posted:Kirby is the greatest comic book artist and writer to have ever drawn or written a book. Artist, yes. Writer, nope.
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Jul 27, 2019 08:13
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Skwirl posted:Artist, yes. Writer, nope. It's kind of hard to unseat Chuck Austen from that throne.
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Jul 27, 2019 08:16
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Skwirl posted:Artist, yes. Writer, nope. gently caress you squirrel
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Jul 27, 2019 08:53
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Lurdiak posted:Kirby kept swapping the star and the A when he drew Captain America, to the point that they had to put a visual reminder on his drawing desk. That doesn't take one ounce away from how amazing he was. Never heard that one, but I believe it. He was asked how he knew how long to make a fight scene, and he said that when his arm started getting tired he’d wrap up the fight. His wife wouldn’t let him drive because he was constantly day dreaming. Dude probably had a hard time remembering the details of Captain America’s costume because he had an infinite legion of monsters and space gods trying to get out of his mind and onto the page.
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Jul 27, 2019 14:05
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This is really apropos of nothing but the details of it are pedantic enough that I feel like I'd be better off posting it here than anywhere else. A friend of mine died early this week, really suddenly. He was a disability studies scholar who'd dealt with chronic illness his whole life, but this seemed to have come out of nowhere. He was two weeks shy of his 51st birthday, and had been a hardcore comics guy since childhood. We'd get lunch on campus and talk about stuff like Peter Gillis' career just because we knew nobody else was, and it was fun to turn over neglected stumps in comics history and see what was wriggling around underneath. He was the one committed Garth Ennis apologist I'd willingly break bread with, and for his part he patiently humored me whenever I felt like haranguing him about the queer genius of late-period Claremont. In an infamously contentious and paranoid department, he was beloved by everyone-- students, faculty, staff, everyone. I barely see the point of taking the elevator down from my office anymore, knowing it'll never again open up on him singing Brecht to nobody in particular. In an era in academia when "eccentric" is too often a dog whistle for "abusive and unreliable but tenured" he was a true, classic, old-school eccentric-- someone whose passion for learning overflowed constantly into weird, joyful exuberance, someone whose curiosity and wit didn't obey doctrinal lines or the narrow lanes of professionalization. Anyway, last night my wife and I went over to his home to keep his widow company, cook dinner, and do whatever she needed. We wound up sorting through the massive piles of paper in his office for most of the night remembering what a weird, charming guy he was, separating out all the relics decade-old pull lists mingled in with old student papers, abandoned drafts of letters to his family, receipts for kombucha, print-outs of old listserv arguments, a magnificently cranky mid-80s argument with Sondheim, etc.. But I kept glancing up at this Alan Davis Excalibur poster hanging up in his office, nicely framed with all the odd-ball 90s Excalibur characters on it-- Cerise, Kylun, Widget, Micromax, just a weird snapshot of the time. It made me feel weirdly peaceful to think of him sitting at his desk, writing about crip theory and crime fiction and glancing up at Nightcrawler and co. once in awhile. If anybody has any information about this particular poster, I'd love to be able to track it down further. The one site I found listing it (but not selling it) said it was included in Excalibur #124, which doesn't make sense because I think that was the very end of the Ben Raab run. I feel like leveraging my grief into a nerdy hunt for decades-old minutia is something he would have appreciated. Here are Davis' pencils for it. If nothing else, I think it's a beautiful showcase of his talents. 
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Jul 27, 2019 21:09
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I found the color version, it has the mid run logo on it. Still looking for details. Edit: that Worthpoint site is the only place with details. Still looking. Rhyno fucked around with this message at 21:34 on Jul 27, 2019 |
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Jul 27, 2019 21:29
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Archyduchess posted:This is really apropos of nothing but the details of it are pedantic enough that I feel like I'd be better off posting it here than anywhere else. Archyduchess, I'm so sorry for your loss. That was beautifully-written, as usual. Would you mind dropping me an e-mail when and if you have a moment? I'm saxman2 AT hotmail DOT com.
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Jul 27, 2019 23:08
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Archyduchess posted:If anybody has any information about this particular poster, I'd love to be able to track it down further. The one site I found listing it (but not selling it) said it was included in Excalibur #124, which doesn't make sense because I think that was the very end of the Ben Raab run. I feel like leveraging my grief into a nerdy hunt for decades-old minutia is something he would have appreciated. I cannot for the life of me find a checklist for all of these posters, despite a lot of them being pretty rad. Edge & Christian fucked around with this message at 23:34 on Jul 27, 2019 |
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Jul 27, 2019 23:32
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Edge & Christian posted:The #124 there means that "Excalibur" (that poster) was #124 in the series of Marvel Press posters that started in the mid 1980s. These posters were solicited and sold separately from any comics. Marvel numbered the posters for the same psychotic collector's psychology that led them to number the first 30-ish "Marvel Graphic Novels" despite consecutive issues having absolutely nothing to do with each other. "If you liked MGN #32 (The Death of Groo), surely you'll want to see Jim Shooter and Paul Ryan's Thor story! Forget the checklist, now I want a gallery of the posters for a trip down memory lane. This blog seems to have an incomplete set of images... I had two-thirds of the Jim Lee X-Men triptych poster set on my wall (I was missing the middle one). So it was something like this:  
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Jul 28, 2019 01:09
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Sorry for your loss, Archy. The best thing you can do is carry that eccentric joy of learning with you in order to inspire others. Grieve as deeply as you need to, but remember to celebrate his life when you're done.
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Jul 28, 2019 04:05
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From the DC wiki: I'll concede that there's a possibility that it's an essay about the many, many lovely ways DC comics has used it, but I'm not going to check to find out. I'm sure its Talk page is also a bastion of enlightened thought.
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Jul 28, 2019 16:00
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It's Scott Lobdell's favorite character
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Jul 28, 2019 16:43
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Random Stranger posted:From the DC wiki: I read it. There is a lot of rape. Nightwing has been raped twice!!!
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Jul 28, 2019 18:31
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Mr Hootington posted:I read it. There is a lot of rape. I think it was Mark Gruenwald who once said that one of they keys to writing comics people enjoy is to give them something they wanted that they didn't realize they wanted until it's presented to them. Who the gently caress could possibly want to see Nightwing be raped?
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Jul 28, 2019 22:52
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El Gallinero Gros posted:I think it was Mark Gruenwald who once said that one of they keys to writing comics people enjoy is to give them something they wanted that they didn't realize they wanted until it's presented to them. I know at least one of them was presented as "sexy" as it was a hot villain babe taking advantage of him while he was restrained. I don't recall a second time but I suspect it's something similarly awful.
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Jul 28, 2019 22:58
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Why do American comics have so much rape in them?
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El Gallinero Gros posted:I think it was Mark Gruenwald who once said that one of they keys to writing comics people enjoy is to give them something they wanted that they didn't realize they wanted until it's presented to them. Devin Grayson wrote the one with Black Tarantula or whatever her name was. She has a huge Nightwing fetish, and was into the online role play scene.
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Jul 28, 2019 23:26
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Gripweed posted:Why do American comics have so much rape in them? Coming from you this is an insane statement.
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Jul 28, 2019 23:27
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El Gallinero Gros posted:I think it was Mark Gruenwald who once said that one of they keys to writing comics people enjoy is to give them something they wanted that they didn't realize they wanted until it's presented to them.
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Jul 28, 2019 23:34
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Mr Hootington posted:Coming from you this is an insane statement. what?
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Rhyno posted:I found the color version, it has the mid run logo on it. Still looking for details. Edge & Christian posted:The #124 there means that "Excalibur" (that poster) was #124 in the series of Marvel Press posters that started in the mid 1980s. These posters were solicited and sold separately from any comics. Marvel numbered the posters for the same psychotic collector's psychology that led them to number the first 30-ish "Marvel Graphic Novels" despite consecutive issues having absolutely nothing to do with each other. "If you liked MGN #32 (The Death of Groo), surely you'll want to see Jim Shooter and Paul Ryan's Thor story! Thanks both, I found "Marvel Press (#124)" on a checklist of Davis' work under posters, and the details check out. I also found a four-year-old CBR forums thread attempting to piece together a comprehensive list of these posters but it seemed pretty patchwork which, as E&C points out, is weird and a shame because the ones I've stumbled on today are frequently dope. Big Bad Voodoo Lou posted:Archyduchess, I'm so sorry for your loss. That was beautifully-written, as usual. Will do, I'm going to catch up on two weeks of neglected work e-mails tomorrow (I'd just gotten back from Vermont when all this happened) and I'll drop you a line then.
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Mr Hootington posted:Coming from you this is an insane statement. I'm *hoping* they're being ironic.
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Jul 29, 2019 00:21
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Gripweed posted:what? Never read Berserk have you?
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David D. Davidson posted:Never read Berserk have you? No, I haven't. But even if Berserk does have a lot of rape in it, I'm not sure what that has to do with the prevalence of rape in American superhero comics
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Jul 29, 2019 02:07
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Gripweed posted:Why do American comics have so much rape in them? This post was made in good faith.
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Jul 29, 2019 02:22
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You guys were just talking about the prevalence of rape in DC comics, and I know Marvel has a problem with that too. Mrs Marvel's time loop mindcontrol husband/son, for example. Which seems really strange, considering that both Marvel and DC superhero comics started out as disposable entertainment for children.
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Jul 29, 2019 02:32
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Why do Japanese comics have so many superheroes in them.
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Jul 29, 2019 02:32
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I'd actually be curious to see someone with the time and resources figure out if mainstream US comic books geared towards a "general" audience disproportionately featured sexual violence vs. tv shows/movies/etc. with a similarly broad target demographic. The subtext of this conversation so far also had me thinking, if one takes hentai and stuff out of the equation and narrows manga down to stuff someone might reasonably pick up for their kid or read on the subway, is there really, statistically, more sexual violence than Western comics? I truly couldn't even hazard a guess, honestly, because I feel like online reception of manga culture has latched onto stuff that's perhaps culturally marginal in Japan.
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Jul 29, 2019 02:46
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It in no way justifies it, but most of the sexual violence in superhero comics was written after comics started targeting teens/adults more than kids.
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Archyduchess posted:I'd actually be curious to see someone with the time and resources figure out if mainstream US comic books geared towards a "general" audience disproportionately featured sexual violence vs. tv shows/movies/etc. with a similarly broad target demographic. There is rape in some manga, but it seems to be generally restricted to, as mentioned before, stuff like Berserk. Super edgy violent fantasy stuff for angry teen boys. I can't recall encountering rape in a manga outside of that. And that's like the vast majority of manga, where rape would be really unusual. I can buy the next volume of Otherworldly Izakaya Nobu fairly safe in the assumption that nobody's gonna get raped in it. That's what's weird about the rape in American comics. I can understand why there's rape in The Walking Dead, or anything with Garth Ennis' name on the cover, But Nightwing? Twice? What's going on there?
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Roth posted:It in no way justifies it, but most of the sexual violence in superhero comics was written after comics started targeting teens/adults more than kids. Avengers 200 is also 40 years old at this point. It's utter poo poo but it's not the most useful touchstone for looking at how modern comics (mis)handle sexual violence.
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Jul 29, 2019 03:05
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It seems Shoujo Manag has lots of problems with sexual violence.
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Gripweed posted:There is rape in some manga, but it seems to be generally restricted to, as mentioned before, stuff like Berserk. Super edgy violent fantasy stuff for angry teen boys. I can't recall encountering rape in a manga outside of that. And that's like the vast majority of manga, where rape would be really unusual. I can buy the next volume of Otherworldly Izakaya Nobu fairly safe in the assumption that nobody's gonna get raped in it. I mean looking through this list: https://www.anime-planet.com/manga/tags/sexual-abuse?page=1 I see a range of works considered to be classics: (Berserk, Blade of the Immortal), modern hits (Goblin Slayer, GATE), stuff that was popular with kids on Tumblr (Killing Stalking), shonen series (Akame ga Kill), and it doesn't even include other forms of sexual assault/normalization of rape culture like the numerous "funny" pervert characters in shonen manga that are there to get laughs for harassing and peeping on women. Part 2 of Jojo has Joseph peep on his mentor taking a bath, and My Hero Academia just had Mineta tell a 5 year old that he'd love to see her in 10 years. And one of the most popular shows of last season was Shield Hero, which is kicked off by a false rape accusation. Sword Art Online was a very popular shonen series that had a lot of sexual assault in the series, and another major classic, Akira, has an attempted gang rape sequence. Sexual assault is very common in anime/manga, including very popular and well regarded shows. I also would also feel fairly safe assuming there won't be a graphic rape scene in Otherworldly Izakaya Nobu, a slice of life manga about medieval cooking, as I would be safe in assuming that there won't be graphic rape in Lumberjanes. Doctor Spaceman posted:Avengers 200 is also 40 years old at this point. It's utter poo poo but it's not the most useful touchstone for looking at how modern comics (mis)handle sexual violence. This is also true. Maybe it's just me, but I read a lot of western comics and I really don't see any rape, especially not from modern Marvel/DC series. Maybe I'm just reading the right ones, or forgetting a recent case.
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Roth posted:I mean looking through this list: https://www.anime-planet.com/manga/tags/sexual-abuse?page=1 literally all of those fall under the genre I mentioned Gripweed posted:Super edgy violent fantasy stuff for angry teen boys. Roth posted:Otherworldly Izakaya Nobu, a slice of life manga about medieval cooking It's about modern cooking in a medieval fantasy universe.
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So the same audience targeted by DC and Marvel then Edit - To be clear, my posts aren't intended as a retort like "How dare you criticize comics, don't you see how bad anime is?" and more just out of annoyance at Gripweed's continued gimmick of bad faith arguments that loop around to how some anime or manga is clearly better. Roth fucked around with this message at 04:05 on Jul 29, 2019 |
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