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Djarum posted:I love Corny but he is stuck in 1986 forever. Yes kayfabe was important in the old days because the average fan didn’t know it was a work especially in the south where you had and sadly still have less educated and more gullible population. The lid on that is so far gone it makes little sense to keep it up. I mean Chris Pratt doesn’t pretend to be Starlord or Andy Dwyer all the time. Method actors are actually looked at as weird. It would be no different with wrestling. Even stereotypical gullible hicks in the south knew it was a work in 1986.
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Jul 29, 2019 04:08
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forkboy84 posted:Even 1980s rubes were no where near as dumb as the wrestlers just automatically assumed they were. quote:You guys know how Dave likes to claim that no one during wrestling's heyday thought it was real and cites as evidence a poll conducted in the 80s by the Charlotte Observer that found that only 1 percent of the audience thought it was real? Well, I went into the Charlotte Observer archives, and the real story is quite a bit different. First off, the poll was conducted in 1990. More importantly, while only 1 percent of respondents thought wrestling was "very real," 21 percent thought it was "somewhat real." 72 percent said it was "not at all real" while 6 percent had no answer. The poll's margin of error was plus or minus four points, so that means that even as late as 1990, roughly a quarter of the population of the wrestling hotbed of North Carolina had yet to be smartened up. That's obviously nowhere close to a majority, but I'd be willing to bet that the vast majority of ticket sales came from that sliver of the population. To me, that's pretty clear evidence despite all the protestations to the contrary that wrestling's appeal has historically been rooted in the perception of realism. As for the larger conversation: Yes, Cornette has gotten considerably more mean-spirited and annoying lately and it's gotten really grating. He's less willing than ever to admit getting something wrong or see different points of view. He's increasingly mean spirited and crude when he disagrees with someone. It's stuff that was always there, but they've gotten more pronounced as the more likable elements have been eroding Hell, even stuff like his odd, increasingly frequent insistence on comparing everything to anal rape has gotten uncomfortable to listen to.
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Jul 29, 2019 04:09
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oh wow who wouldve guessed this would happen once Cornette realized people would give him money for cussing people out and complaining about things on camera
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Jul 29, 2019 04:11
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davidbix posted:The story as I remember it being told was that it was one of the main JCP towns in the early '80s, Ole guessed it would be something like 90%+ thinking it was real "because our work was so realistic," and only something like 1% thought so in the actual poll. So much more damning than you actually remembered it being. NintendoLogic at PWO, though, posted a few weeks ago that he found the actual newspaper and it's not at all as it's been described: Dave didn’t say “everyone knew it was a work”, but he has said the believably was never nearly as protected as people thought.
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Jul 29, 2019 04:13
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Re: The newspaper poll asking about realness, it's going to depend on how you define real and how the question is asked. If it's specifically asking about whether outcomes are fixed, that's one thing, but the use of the word real has a lot of room for interpretation. "The outcomes are predetermined, but the action and danger is very real" or whatever is a valid way to describe it.
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Jul 29, 2019 04:16
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Djarum posted:I get that talent don’t want to be whatever character they play on TV all day. Those days are completely over. I understand where Lance is coming from on a certain point but Pink for example is not playing a character named Pink, that is just a stage/nickname. There is a big difference there. There are things that a talent may do or say in character that is not indicative of who they are in real life. It is important for the fans to know that and that there are boundaries as well. Almost- Pink is playing a character called Pink, we don't know Alicia Moore. Generally celebrities present a marketable facade to the world that they can interact with. We don't get actual Chris Pratt (TBF most glimpses are awful), we get the idea of Chris Pratt the celebrity. Pro wrestlers could do this..... But it's tiring and hard and generally celebrities hire people to do it for them. Wazzu fucked around with this message at 04:24 on Jul 29, 2019 |
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Jul 29, 2019 04:22
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Wazzu posted:We don't get actual Chris Pratt (TBF most glimpses are awful), we get the idea of Chris Pratt the celebrity. But he doesn't have to pretend to be Andy Dwyer or Star Lord when he's out in public, either. That'd be an improvement, but you get the idea.
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Jul 29, 2019 04:28
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Comparing movie stars and wrestlers doesn't really work because movie stars play SEVERAL different characters across a ton of different films. Whereas, most wrestlers (besides Ed Leslie) usually one use one or two names their entire career. Actors will do tons of media/press using their real name where most wrestlers don't do that.
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Jul 29, 2019 04:42
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KungFu Grip posted:
I barely understand what he's even saying here but the UK guys being dipshits isn't surprising, they signed poo poo deals to essentially never ever get loving used. Pete Dunne being so dumb is disappointing given how promising a talent he is/was and now will be kept in catering for the next 3 or so years
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Jul 29, 2019 04:44
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pornstars and rappers keep kayfabe and really what is wrestling but (porn/rap) * improv
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Jul 29, 2019 05:01
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*looks at what ZSJ and Ospreay are doing* *looks at every other british wrestler in the WWE system* "Catering's probably fine"
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Jul 29, 2019 05:07
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KungFu Grip posted:
So instead he’s virtue signaling about people who virtue signal. How do these people not see how loving dumb the poo poo they do is lol
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Jul 29, 2019 05:11
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DLC Inc posted:I barely understand what he's even saying here but the UK guys being dipshits isn't surprising, they signed poo poo deals to essentially never ever get loving used. Pete Dunne being so dumb is disappointing given how promising a talent he is/was and now will be kept in catering for the next 3 or so years Isnt Nxt uk meaningless TV anyways? You dont see on TV. I think they have a Champion? Whats that belt 32 on the company? Jack Gallagher looks like a loving idiot geek and he was booked like a joke the last thing i remember? I mean why the gently caress you would be a cop for the WWE but these clowns are barely the wwe. I dont understand
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Jul 29, 2019 05:12
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NXT UK's women's champion has been on more Stardom shows than WWE ones this year
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Jul 29, 2019 05:33
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DoctorGonzo posted:Isnt Nxt uk meaningless TV anyways? You dont see on TV. I think they have a Champion? Whats that belt 32 on the company? Jack Gallagher looks like a loving idiot geek and he was booked like a joke the last thing i remember? I mean why the gently caress you would be a cop for the WWE but these clowns are barely the wwe. I dont understand once in a blue moon I hear about it but yeah, at the end of the day WWE just has too many loving personnel. More than half of their roster across Raw/SD/NXT/UK just gets lost in the shuffle. Pete Dunne is like the only guy who has been on the main shows a few times.
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Jul 29, 2019 05:39
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There's an NXT UK women's championship?
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Jul 29, 2019 05:40
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DoctorGonzo posted:Isnt Nxt uk meaningless TV anyways? You dont see on TV. I think they have a Champion? Whats that belt 32 on the company? Jack Gallagher looks like a loving idiot geek and he was booked like a joke the last thing i remember? I mean why the gently caress you would be a cop for the WWE but these clowns are barely the wwe. I dont understand I'm a bit more sympathetic to NXT Uk than most because they didn't really have anywhere to go locally upwards. The UK scene was exploding but to get above the UK scene your choices were constant trips to Japan, which is exhausting and difficult, constant trips to the US with no surety to long term stability, or ITV which we all know was a disaster. NXT UK was the best game in town when announced and people here were justifiably hyped for it, its just that despite being supposedly cut from the same cloth as NXT its invisible. AEW didn't exist, hell NXT UK predates All In i'm fairly sure, so people being "shouldn't have signed" when it was the best option for a lot of the European scene.
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Jul 29, 2019 05:40
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DLC Inc posted:once in a blue moon I hear about it but yeah, at the end of the day WWE just has too many loving personnel. More than half of their roster across Raw/SD/NXT/UK just gets lost in the shuffle. Pete Dunne is like the only guy who has been on the main shows a few times. The point is to monopolize talent, not to actually build a brand or use who they hire
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Jul 29, 2019 05:43
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KungFu Grip posted:
Go do a Brexit over it you dumb bitch lol
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Jul 29, 2019 05:54
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If wrestlings fake why do so many wrestlers get hurt
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Jul 29, 2019 06:01
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https://twitter.com/WWEAsuka/status/1153840194862243840?s=19 https://twitter.com/WWEAsuka/status/1153696682724343814?s=19 This is how you use Twitter Asuka is the greatest god drat Also that Becky promo and Natties response were both loving trash
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Jul 29, 2019 06:04
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Becky’s Twitter was really good when she was going against people who were utter trash at Twitter. When she went against people who were better at Twitter she mysteriously wasn’t so good somehow. In conclusion Becky Lynch is an extremely attractive woman and I don’t know why the camera doesn’t zoom up her rear end like it did with Lacey Evans that one time
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Jul 29, 2019 06:10
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Big Bob Pataki posted:There's an NXT UK women's championship? Yeah. I heard a rumor that it was created to give to Toni Storm since she had a stipulation in her contract to be the champion within a certain amount of time. I believe that is how she is able to still work Stardom as well. Personally I think she will be gone from WWE the moment she can. But it is incredibly interesting how some of the UK talent is under a delusion that WWE is going to magically start treating them like they matter. Osperay and ZSJ are the only two it seems that were smart enough to stay away and have flourished outside of that realm. The NXT UK brand in general seems to be dead along with the careers of everyone involved.
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Jul 29, 2019 06:12
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Jul 29, 2019 06:42
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No Irish Need Imply posted:what is this thing PS VITA some special edition or other edit: actually it might just be a white vita with a rubber case on it?
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Jul 29, 2019 06:45
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Jonny Nox posted:PS VITA Vita with a Famicom controller styled case.
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Jul 29, 2019 06:50
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Djarum posted:Yeah. I heard a rumor that it was created to give to Toni Storm since she had a stipulation in her contract to be the champion within a certain amount of time. I believe that is how she is able to still work Stardom as well. I'm not gonna pretend to have rovert-level access, but afaik at the very least the Welsh contingent of NXT UK is pretty happy just working their normal indie/home promotions and taking WWE's money on top for a couple of safer WWE-style matches a month. I expect that's true for a lot of them, since I can't think of a time when "former WWE superstar!" has ever hurt anyone's ability to get booked in the bingo halls and leisure centres after they're gone.
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Jul 29, 2019 06:58
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History Comes Inside! posted:I'm not gonna pretend to have rovert-level access, but afaik at the very least the Welsh contingent of NXT UK is pretty happy just working their normal indie/home promotions and taking WWE's money on top for a couple of safer WWE-style matches a month. Well let's be honest at least half of the NXT UK roster isn't going anywhere. This is the best thing to ever happen to them, an extra 50k a year for the occasional match and they probably see an extra 100-200 quid for indie bookings because of the WWE affiliation. What is sad are people like Jordan Devlin, Mark Andrews, Wolfgang and Alpha Female who are stuck in an awful situation where they would be heavily in demand elsewhere and have much better careers outside of WWE. Alpha Female's situation just pisses me off since she is 37 and will likely never get a real shot despite being very good and having a great look. I can't imagine the moral of Seven and Bate would be that great considering they had probably the best matches in WWE in eons and the company just plainly not caring about them. But then again I don't seem to understand the mentality of a lot of people who work there.
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Jul 29, 2019 07:14
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I hear the UK has a pretty good public benefit system so those cops should be doing alright. ZSJ and Ospreay are suckers for putting in the level of work that they do.
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Jul 29, 2019 09:23
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Mark Scabdrew.
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Jul 29, 2019 09:39
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History Comes Inside! posted:I'm not gonna pretend to have rovert-level access, but afaik at the very least the Welsh contingent of NXT UK is pretty happy just working their normal indie/home promotions and taking WWE's money on top for a couple of safer WWE-style matches a month. It's fine to be happy with your working conditions, that doesn't mean you need to throw a temper tantrum about another promotion giving its workers access to a union and publicising it so that others might feel pressured to follow suit.
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Jul 29, 2019 10:02
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oldpainless posted:Becky’s Twitter was really good when she was going against people who were utter trash at Twitter. When she went against people who were better at Twitter she mysteriously wasn’t so good somehow. It wasn't that long ago that she stumbled pretty hard against Edge. I also think she had an angle against Rousey that she could hit pretty hard but when she doesn't have that it's just name-calling and trying to get Meta, which is never as clever as people think it is.
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Jul 29, 2019 11:11
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Twitter sucks rear end and it's an open platform for white supremacists, stop using it. everyone's life would be better
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Jul 29, 2019 11:16
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I was wrong about the lasped fan courtroom transcripts. This is incredible.
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Jul 29, 2019 13:04
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Low Desert Punk posted:Twitter sucks rear end and it's an open platform for white supremacists, stop using it. everyone's life would be better Dessert Friend, every communication medium is a haven for white supremacy. poo poo's like cockroaches.
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Jul 29, 2019 15:24
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https://twitter.com/PikaPriest/status/1155704849771708416 That was retweeted by Asuka. She doesn't give a gently caress anymore. At this point I wouldn't be shocked if she just uses WWE to fund her video game habit.
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Jul 29, 2019 15:35
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thats a really ugly vita
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Jul 29, 2019 16:30
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Super No Vacancy posted:thats a really ugly vita case looks like she's played the hell out of it while killing time on the road.
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Jul 29, 2019 17:31
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