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GoutPatrol posted:Setting up a Terminus from Jace on turn 5 is not going to win that match, and Carrion Feeder provides a way to get around it. You know there are terminuses in your deck and you dont have to use jace to set them up right? e; holy poo poo they want $100 a year for level 1 judges? the program is loving DEAD lmao LMAO also they're charging MORE TO BE A HIGHER LEVEL JUDGE WHAT THE gently caress ahahahahahahahah Skyl3lazer fucked around with this message at 16:23 on Jul 29, 2019 |
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So they astroturfed a "professional organization" in order to get around lawsuits. Amazing.
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Jul 29, 2019 16:23
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So like a few of the high level judges will finally get paid... by the lower level judges. Seems dumb. Also interesting that they are going to be expanding out to organizing judging for other games as well.
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Jul 29, 2019 16:24
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No Wave posted:could not agree more. We're looking at a product that's had a 30 year lifespan adopting the operating model of products that tend to have much shorter lifespans. I would NOT want to bet the entire future of my company on a game like arena. Hindsight is 20/20, but this seems like it would have gone over much better than what transpired. 1. Kept competitive play exactly the same as it was 2. Incorporated arena into standard pro tour 3. Did a few invitational style events in arena format. 4. Had paper and digital meaningfully play off each other to get people invested in both.
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Skyl3lazer posted:You know there are terminuses in your deck and you dont have to use jace to set them up right? I was thinking there are plenty of people who would gladly pay $100 a year for 8 judge promos guaranteed.
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LifeLynx posted:
lmao 'what if we made the judges pay us to fight their own lawsuits? genius, genius' amazing Alternatively 'we need to find a source of revenue to cover the operating costs of competitive tournaments and it should come from
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Jul 29, 2019 16:25
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Tubgoat posted:Unless you really need the money, just make an Omnath/Elf EDH deck with it. I don't need the money, but I'd rather turn it into new board games and things that I am 100% more likely to share with my friends than an EDH deck. I've done the math and my binder is at about $1,500 TCG low, and it's full of cards I haven't looked at or used in years. Come to think of it, I could use a new TV...
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Jul 29, 2019 16:27
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WOTC had their hands in this. Judges are loving over judges here. There is no other explanation. WOTC and Judge leadership are the only winners here.
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Jul 29, 2019 16:29
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quote:I’m a current Judge; does this mean I am employee of Judge Academy now? Loooool
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Jul 29, 2019 16:30
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On the whole, the Judge change seems awful but the idea that they'd also support non-wotc games like KeyForge is kinda good. I'm not sure what the judging structure of other FFG games is, but I'd be very surprised to find out that they have one robust as Magic has.
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Jul 29, 2019 16:31
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lol would it really have cost hasbro that much money to give them the money to get this off the ground without membership fees for a few years and boil this frog a little more slowly
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Jul 29, 2019 16:32
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Skyl3lazer posted:You know there are terminuses in your deck and you dont have to use jace to set them up right? good point, don't know why those scrubby u/w players haven't adopted your strategy of "magically draw the perfect card on the exact turn you need it"
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Jul 29, 2019 16:32
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evilweasel posted:lol would it really have cost hasbro that much money to give them the money to get this off the ground without membership fees for a few years and boil this frog a little more slowly Why would they if the new organization is also going to be supporting other games. It’s a good cover for WOTC to distance themselves even more.
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Jul 29, 2019 16:34
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"" posted:quote: This is just beautiful corporate legalese. The Hasbro legal team must've put in some solid pro bono hours on this. So Pro Tour events and Magic Fests stick around with proper judge support. FNMs, Prereleases, etc will scrape by with RAs or a Level 1 who works for the LGS in some capacity. Everything else in between, including comprel qualifying events, goes on Arena and if you don't like it then tough titty? I almost feel bad for the grinders and the pros without deals or solid streaming audiences already. Almost. The future is bright, assuming the bottom never falls out of Arena. Mat Cauthon fucked around with this message at 16:40 on Jul 29, 2019 |
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Jul 29, 2019 16:34
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If you think about it every SA mod had to paid $10 for the privilege of having to moderate all our lovely posts and yet there are still always enough of them so maybe this will be a rousing success after all
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Jul 29, 2019 16:35
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So you pay a subscription fee and your only compensation is a pack of random cards. Judging is a loot box.
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Jul 29, 2019 16:36
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Sickening posted:I would NOT want to bet the entire future of my company on a game like arena. Competitive play before was the top pros not even making a living wage and everyone else playing for pittances but hey you could build your way up to supplementing your mtg career by playing poker.
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Jul 29, 2019 16:36
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Tainen posted:Why would they if the new organization is also going to be supporting other games. It’s a good cover for WOTC to distance themselves even more. because the new organization is entirely about offloading potential liability from WOTC while maintaining free labor and if they cock this up badly they might need to actually pay judges, which will cost more than the handful of dollars they could have thrown at the org to start it up. and i think we all know that the "supporting other games" is a transparent fig leaf. its just a stupid business/legal decision
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Jul 29, 2019 16:38
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suicidesteve posted:So you pay a subscription fee and your only compensation is a pack of random cards. i thought they were pretty clearly trying to imply they would pay you cardboard that someone else would give you more than your membership fee for
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Jul 29, 2019 16:39
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after grinding judges’ faces into the concrete for years and years, the next logical step was to make them pay for the privilege
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Jul 29, 2019 16:39
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I think I'll pay for the first year, since that would get me foils in November and foils in 2020, especially with chalice being an upcoming foil, but after that I reckon I'm pretty much done.
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Jul 29, 2019 16:41
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I know some of you were mad at working without pay. We hear you, which is why there will be an annual fee structure going forward.
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Jul 29, 2019 16:41
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mehall posted:I think I'll pay for the first year, since that would get me foils in November and foils in 2020, especially with chalice being an upcoming foil, but after that I reckon I'm pretty much done. I mean, give them money first before you put your foot down. That will show them.
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Jul 29, 2019 16:43
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mehall posted:I think I'll pay for the first year, since that would get me foils in November and foils in 2020, especially with chalice being an upcoming foil, but after that I reckon I'm pretty much done. this is exactly what they expect to hear. every year. forever.
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mehall posted:I think I'll pay for the first year, since that would get me foils in November and foils in 2020, especially with chalice being an upcoming foil, but after that I reckon I'm pretty much done. lol good lord WOTC sure know their audience.
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Jul 29, 2019 16:45
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This sounds like grift. It's got the trappings of a non-profit organization, but nothing changes and there's absolutely no support for getting people to bigger events.
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jassi007 posted:I was thinking there are plenty of people who would gladly pay $100 a year for 8 judge promos guaranteed. My napkin math has the cards they announced at $112 for MTGStocks low, meaning you're probably going to be ahead by $125 or so for a year. Considering there is also some work involved (I doubt you can be a judge without doing a few events) this seems like a horribly bad idea. Those cards are also over a bunch of formats, meaning there's not much chance you'd be able to use most of them yourself. I did think about looking into the RA thing if you actually can do it for free, because getting a better idea how the game works probably helps you out in your play. I normally only learn by getting handed my head and learning from mistakes. The way I learned other games (read then re-read the rulebook) is basically impossible with MtG. Tainen posted:Why would they if the new organization is also going to be supporting other games. It's a good cover for WOTC to distance themselves even more. Yup. This is the same kind of thing I saw happen with a bunch of other fan worker programs in the hobby space. The fact that anything is sticking around means MtG weathered it better than any other game I played.
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lmao, i hope that at least they'll scale their yearly fee based on the location of the judge. imagine paying a hundred bucks a year if you're a judge in rural china or something
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Jul 29, 2019 16:49
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congrats to the hasbro legal department for inventing the "reverse union"
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Star Man posted:This sounds like grift. I have some bad news for you about most non-profits.
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little munchkin posted:congrats to the hasbro legal department for inventing the "reverse union"  This entire thing is brilliant. What I can't quite figure out is how the new owner of Judge Academy got declared supreme emperor of judging. I feel like WOTC declared him so or something but nobody wants to say that.
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Cactrot posted:On the whole, the Judge change seems awful but the idea that they'd also support non-wotc games like KeyForge is kinda good. I'm not sure what the judging structure of other FFG games is, but I'd be very surprised to find out that they have one robust as Magic has. It's going to be even less successful at supporting new games than this: 
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Jul 29, 2019 16:52
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Company unions are illegal for a reason.
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They might be illegal but we live in a country where no one gives a poo poo about labor laws so  .Besides, this isn't a company union, it's a partnership with an independent organization! Completely on the level.
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https://twitter.com/pintacso/status/1155858660620455938?s=20 You don't even get a trial run. Pay or else. I love it.
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Mat Cauthon posted:They might be illegal but we live in a country where no one gives a poo poo about labor laws so well it's not a company union because they're not employees, qed
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if you look at the site it tries to suggest that they're going to make judging a career laffo
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evilweasel posted:if you look at the site it tries to suggest that they're going to make judging a career laffo From the developers of UNPAID INTERNSHIPS, now comes a new and exciting installment in the series
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Jul 29, 2019 17:02
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evilweasel posted:if you look at the site it tries to suggest that they're going to make judging a career laffo A lot of L2s and L3s were already under the impression that it was. (I guess if you didn’t mind working an MF or SCG Tour event like every weekend, you could do it.)
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