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Posting this because it's anime studio related news. This is pretty tragic, but also fairly informative about the role of women animators in the industry. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/19/world/asia/japan-fire-kyoto-animation.html quote:At Kyoto Animation, Women Were Central. When It Burned, They Paid the Price. I hope that those affected and their families will recover swiftly from this terrible tragedy.
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# ? Jul 19, 2019 12:42 |
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Sentai Filmworks are organising a fundraiser: https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-kyoani-heal?pc=ot_vs_campaignplus_r&rcid=r01-156354457719-63b692582e2247e0 I donated $20aus, and you can too, goon reading this!
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# ? Jul 19, 2019 15:00 |
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https://twitter.com/highimpactsex/status/1152148171054866432 https://twitter.com/highimpactsex/status/1152149937003606017 https://twitter.com/highimpactsex/status/1152158990719168512
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# ? Jul 19, 2019 15:34 |
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All damned good advice. This is terrible news- I'm not a fan of KyoAni's work, but as far as I've heard, they actually treat their employees like human beings, and are supposed to be a pretty cool company to work for. That said, the fire shouldn't have happened to anyone who isn't a Nazi or terrorist, and I do encourage people to donate to the link above (it's reputable, right?)
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# ? Jul 19, 2019 15:51 |
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It shouldn't have happened to anyone, full stop. Nobody deserves that.
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# ? Jul 19, 2019 16:00 |
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DrSunshine posted:
This quote was what finally pushed me from numb with shock and horror yesterday to just crying my eyes out this morning. This is so unfair.
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# ? Jul 19, 2019 16:25 |
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The Colonel posted:https://twitter.com/highimpactsex/status/1152148171054866432 https://twitter.com/highimpactsex/status/1152149937003606017 https://twitter.com/highimpactsex/status/1152158990719168512 This post led me to google "ethnic minority groups in Japan". I had no idea there were so many.
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# ? Jul 19, 2019 17:57 |
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If you want to support then theres stuff like desktop wallpapers directly for sale on the kyoani site
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# ? Jul 19, 2019 17:59 |
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The site is labyrinthine and i do not have the exact link tho
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# ? Jul 19, 2019 18:08 |
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Rivethead posted:This post led me to google "ethnic minority groups in Japan". I had no idea there were so many.
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# ? Jul 19, 2019 18:19 |
Namtab posted:The site is labyrinthine and i do not have the exact link tho To their store? https://kyoani.shop-pro.jp/ Rivethead posted:This post led me to google "ethnic minority groups in Japan". I had no idea there were so many. Yeah, some of the history of various groups there is pretty interesting. I found out awhile back that the unidentified asian heritage I had that my family typically assumed was Kazakh or the like might have been Ainu, judging from some heirlooms. It's so far back that there'd be basically no modern connection, but I read up a bit about it at the time. Unfortunately the treatment of other ethnic groups in Japan is depressingly familiar. I couldn't even find anything definitive about other indigenous groups other than the Ainu, who got about the same treatment as indigenous people tended to get. It was only this year that the Japanese government officially recognized the Ainu as an indigenous group.
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# ? Jul 19, 2019 19:53 |
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Apparently the building somehow passed a Fire Safety inspection last year. And also the roof entrance which was largely untouched by the fire was probbably locked. The hell.
MonsterEnvy fucked around with this message at 05:43 on Jul 21, 2019 |
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MonsterEnvy posted:Apparently the building somehow passed a Fire Safety inspection last year. And also the roof entrance which was largely untouched by the fire was probbably locked. The hell. The arsonist blocked stairways and fire exits, it wasn't really an issue of fire safety.
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# ? Jul 21, 2019 11:11 |
RatHat posted:The arsonist blocked stairways and fire exits, it wasn't really an issue of fire safety. While fire safety inspections aren't meant for people actively trying to kill people, I'd thought from the pictures I'd seen that there weren't any fire escapes or the like, not that they were blocked?
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# ? Jul 21, 2019 12:59 |
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Cuntellectual posted:While fire safety inspections aren't meant for people actively trying to kill people, I'd thought from the pictures I'd seen that there weren't any fire escapes or the like, not that they were blocked? The standard for fire safety in many countries is that the main entrances/exits *are* the fire escapes. The principle is that those areas can be fireproofed and made safe for large numbers of people to get out safely. https://99percentinvisible.org/episode/good-egress/ Unless some murderous fucker sprays gasoline over the area. Fangz fucked around with this message at 13:49 on Jul 21, 2019 |
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RatHat posted:The arsonist blocked stairways and fire exits, it wasn't really an issue of fire safety. I've heard this time and time again on the English internet, but I haven't seen anyone post a source for it, nor have I seen it mentioned once on Japanese TV or in Japanese news. As far as I'm aware, the suspect went into the building, splashed a bucket of gasoline near the spiral staircase, possibly pouring some more from jerrycans directly on people, and then lit it up. The buildup of gasoline vapors caused an explosion, injuring the suspect and setting him on fire. He ran out of the building, with an employee chasing him. He only made it a few hundred meters away before collapsing, on account of being on fire. The suspect did carry some knives with him, but they went unused. He was seen in the area around the studio a few times in the days preceding the arson, but as far as I'm aware he didn't do any kind of preparation like blocking stuff off. Here's an image of the floorplan taken from Japanese TV that aired the evening of the incident. The only entrance to the building is in the bottom left of the first floor, so there aren't really any fire exits for him to block off anyway. The only staircases are the spiral staircase in the center and the regular staircase at the top; I highly doubt he managed to somehow ninja sneak his way into the building to block them off. According to the Japanese articles I've read, the fire department has stated that the door to the roof was unlocked. What likely happened is that the initial explosion spread soot and smoke so quickly that no one could see anything at all, and after one person succumbed to smoke inhalation trying to open an unfamiliar door in pitch black, the rest of the people who tried to run to the roof probably couldn't get past their body and all passed away too. I don't know exactly how the fire code works, but Japanese buildings tend to treat regular old windows as fire exits. A lot of buildings will have emergency escape ladders stored in boxes near windows, and you're supposed to keep those areas completely clear, but I think we all know that doesn't always happen. As other posters have mentioned, though, fire codes are meant to protect from regular accidental fires, not an arson where a literal bucket full of accelerant is splashed all over the place.
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# ? Jul 21, 2019 14:15 |
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According to an actual employee the door is also the the type thats heavy and has two handles.
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# ? Jul 21, 2019 15:18 |
Spoggerific posted:I've heard this time and time again on the English internet, but I haven't seen anyone post a source for it, nor have I seen it mentioned once on Japanese TV or in Japanese news. As far as I'm aware, the suspect went into the building, splashed a bucket of gasoline near the spiral staircase, possibly pouring some more from jerrycans directly on people, and then lit it up. The buildup of gasoline vapors caused an explosion, injuring the suspect and setting him on fire. He ran out of the building, with an employee chasing him. He only made it a few hundred meters away before collapsing, on account of being on fire. There is an employee entrance right next to the spiral staircase, but since that's where the fire started, it wasn't of much use.
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# ? Jul 21, 2019 15:39 |
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I opened the thread to make jokes because i thought it was a dumpster fire or w/e and got hit with genuine tragedy instead, that sucks gently caress this arsonist
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# ? Jul 21, 2019 15:47 |
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It hasn't gotten to this point yet (probably since it's the weekend and they're covering the election) but there's already camera crews staked out at the area Kyoani set up to leave flowers and gifts, filming without permission and pressing for interviews.
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# ? Jul 21, 2019 17:10 |
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a friend of mine is really mad about japanese fire code. does anyone know if the roof access door swung outward or inward?
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# ? Jul 21, 2019 21:08 |
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ninjewtsu posted:a friend of mine is really mad about japanese fire code. does anyone know if the roof access door swung outward or inward? I don't though apparently the Roof access a heavy door that required both handles to be pulled.
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# ? Jul 21, 2019 21:26 |
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https://twitter.com/highimpactsex/status/1153062446774530048 Hate being in the position of having to hope that my favorite director was 'only' badly burned or something.
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# ? Jul 21, 2019 23:14 |
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Why is the roof access relevant to the fire code at all, you aren't supposed to climb on to the roof when there's a fire. A fire code isn't a terrorist attack preparedness test.
Fangz fucked around with this message at 01:19 on Jul 22, 2019 |
# ? Jul 22, 2019 01:15 |
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Fangz posted:Why is the roof access relevant to the fire code at all, you aren't supposed to climb on to the roof when there's a fire. A fire code isn't a terrorist attack preparedness test. I assume it should still probably not be locked in an emergency or be difficult to open. It's not a great place to go, but if other exits are blocked (which can occur for reasons other than a murderer) it should still be an option. Anywhere is better than inside a burning building. chumbler fucked around with this message at 01:25 on Jul 22, 2019 |
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chumbler posted:I assume it should still probably not be locked in an emergency or be difficult to open. It's not a great place to go, but if other exits are blocked (which can occur for reasons other than a murderer) it should still be an option. Anywhere is better than inside a burning building. It's not an exit though. In a normal fire, going up to the roof is asking to be trapped up there and greatly increases your chances of death. The fire code is about whether there's safe routes of egress during normal fires. It's about whether the normal exits *can* become blocked. EDIT: As a fire steward at the university I work at, the roof access is absolutely locked 99% of the time (I'm pretty sure health and safety law practically mandates it, because if some idiot goes up there and trips and falls off, the university is liable) and gently caress knows what we'd do if there's a similar attack. The building is bigger and harder to set fire to, I guess. Due to the nature of carbon monoxide poisoning the victims probably would have died even if they made it on to the roof. Fangz fucked around with this message at 02:01 on Jul 22, 2019 |
# ? Jul 22, 2019 01:25 |
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https://twitter.com/CasReadman/status/1153163341143138304 https://twitter.com/ultimatemegax/status/1153143258698137600
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# ? Jul 22, 2019 14:20 |
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https://twitter.com/soukatsu_/status/1153329924914262016
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# ? Jul 23, 2019 11:08 |
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That thread on fire safety is extremely helpful. I've been wondering about that myself.
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# ? Jul 24, 2019 05:17 |
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Basically, there's only so much procedures and regulations can do when a malicious actor wants to target an act of violence against you. Because they will try to probe for weaknesses and subvert security systems. No one can really deal with that, least of all a group of overworked animators trying their best to make deadlines. Try as you might to make sense of it, lay blame on an overall group, it really was one random act of violence against those who neither deserved nor saw it coming.
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# ? Jul 24, 2019 10:06 |
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I'm not sure how (or even if) this will interface with things like sentai's GoFundMe, but kyoani has set up an account to directly receive donations. https://twitter.com/Crunchyroll/status/1154051222015361029?s=19
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# ? Jul 24, 2019 16:35 |
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First named death is Naomi Ishida. Apart from the obvious personal tragedy, she's a huge artistic loss for the studio - she was one of their top colour designers, and did the palettes for Haruhi, Amagi, Hyouka, A Silent Voice, and Liz and the Blue Bird.
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# ? Jul 25, 2019 13:47 |
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Right Stuf will cover the international money transfer fee for transfers to the account kyoani set up https://twitter.com/rightstufanime/status/1154435111263322115?s=19 And from the sounds of the email I just got the sentai fundraiser has made definite contact with kyoani and is working directly with them to get that money to them as well Every name that comes out about this is going to be connected in some way to some of my favorite pieces of media and I'm not sure I can adequately deal. My heart just breaks for all the people affected.
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# ? Jul 25, 2019 18:42 |
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a kitten posted:Every name that comes out about this is going to be connected in some way to some of my favorite pieces of media and I'm not sure I can adequately deal. My heart just breaks for all the people affected. Same, although probably not every name since there were some newbies fresh out of college training at Studio 1. Which, of course, only makes me sadder.
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# ? Jul 25, 2019 21:10 |
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https://twitter.com/soukatsu_/status/1154491741153701888 https://twitter.com/soukatsu_/status/1154492939709501440
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# ? Jul 25, 2019 22:06 |
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Yeah, let's show these people some respect and let the families grieve peacefully.
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# ? Jul 25, 2019 22:27 |
Phobophilia posted:Basically, there's only so much procedures and regulations can do when a malicious actor wants to target an act of violence against you. Because they will try to probe for weaknesses and subvert security systems. No one can really deal with that, least of all a group of overworked animators trying their best to make deadlines. Try as you might to make sense of it, lay blame on an overall group, it really was one random act of violence against those who neither deserved nor saw it coming. On that note, from the sounds of things the guy took in an enormous amount of petrol that he started spraying around. I wonder if the doors weren't locked or something? I don't think there's any way to make sense of it, or any group to be blamed. The entire thing is just another absurd, random act of violence is an absurd world. Reasonable measures only work with reasonable people. That being said, if anything can be taken away from this to make it harder to happen in the future... That's about as much as can be hoped for, I guess?
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# ? Jul 29, 2019 02:36 |
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It's important to put as many safeguards in place as you can, but if you don't stop adding thing then it turns into a very dictatorial environment where people are too busy worrying if they're following the rules to live their normal lives. There's always gonna be outliers that break all the rules and ruin the fun for everyone no matter how many rules the a society can withstand. At some point you have to be willing to say "poo poo happens" and move on.
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# ? Jul 29, 2019 04:31 |
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Some good news for once: https://twitter.com/ultimatemegax/status/1155811137298030592
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# ? Jul 29, 2019 16:56 |
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Hard to say how much of it will still be usable for future projects - character designs meant to be overseen by anyone who's passed away might need to be redone, for instance, or stuff that was designed to be used in context with other material that wasn't scanned before the fire - but at the very least that's a huge relief for animation history.
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# ? Jul 29, 2019 18:46 |