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Not a Children posted:This is one of those situations where the base salary kinda matters. Re: base comp going up 70%, Are we talking like 80k -> 135k or 200k -> 340k? i’ll be going from 115 base to 180-200 base i’m not fed up with my job because i 100% knew what i was getting myself into by taking this. and i wasn’t even looking for another job when this recruiter found me. the only reason i talked to him in the first place was because he was upfront with what the job was, who it was for, and what the pay was going to be. the pay in particular is what got my attention. i have no clue how my raise request is going to go. on the one hand they are totally clear headed about their position and know they need to keep the talent they have. on the other hand i could be way over-perceiving my position in the company and they don’t give a poo poo if i threaten to leave. idk. as for the counter game no loving way. you probably missed my saga years ago in the cjs thread when i tried to play that and it blew up in my face big time. so i’m not doing that. the hard parts of my job are fundamental to the job. there’s no getting around the travel. full stop, i either can do it and keep a stiff upper lip or this job isn’t for me. i can mostly deal with it i’ve just been unlucky and have drawn all customers that expect total onsite availability and have been willing to pay for it. that’s just bad luck. usually customers are just as likely to let you work full remote as they are wanting you to be onsite every week.
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to be clear if they come back with a middling raise then jumping ship wins by default. my hang up is mostly over if they give me a raise significant enough to put me roughly at parity with the other company. then idk what i’m gonna do
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yeah after puzzling thru "will i get a 70% raise and continue my lifetime in hotels" you should start working out what to do in a unicorn robot uprising situation
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Yeah I'd take the new job and never look back, they aren't gonna give you an 80k raise most likely
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Jul 26, 2019 19:12
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If they valued you at 200k they would've given you 200k before now. Absolutely nothing of substance wrt how they value you has changed other than now they have to scramble to find a replacement and it's going to cost them more than a raise. Never take the counter unless it completely blows the other offer out of the water.
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it's not even a counter, he's just asking for a raise in the normal context of growth ain't gonna happen. since this is apparently the biggest problem on the horizon, i assume we've dealt with every genuine realistic contingency and we're just in fantasy land at this point
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DrPossum posted:Hey everyone, you may remember me from a few months ago bitching about my toxic work environment and quitting without a plan just to get away from it. I think I mentioned here that I did quit that way earlier this month which was a huge relief. This post made me really happy and I wish for everyone in this thread to get this happy of an ending.
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JawnV6 posted:it's not even a counter, he's just asking for a raise in the normal context of growth what i'm telling myself is that my situation is mostly because i broke the golden rule of 'never say a number' when i first started here and that anchored me. now that i've been here for three years i've been able to work directly with most of the upper executives and am a known quantity this conversation over the raise should be able to happen. maybe. i give it long odds- maybe 1 in 4 chance that i'll get what i want. i know that they bend over backwards to keep the consultants that can perform and it may just be a matter of me making the right amount of noise. maybe. the good news is that this won't be a repeat of my time at oracle. by the time the new company will be extending me an offer i'll either have the raise or i won't- so no need to deal with counters
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poo poo happens. Do you know what your coworkers earn? When I quit my job I went through the whole "you tell me I'll tell you" routine with several people who were equal and perhaps slightly more senior than me, and what I found out is I was being underpaid relative to other employees, but not by much at all. The company was just really poo poo at paying a fair wage to people.
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management encourages us to use glassdoor and based on the number of submissions i think it's enough of a sample to get an accurate picture. right now it's saying the payscale for my title is $111k to $182k. i'm literally at the bottom
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has anyone else got a recruiter hit from "wendy," the insultingly cloying ai chatbot? it forces you to make canned friendly responses and is amazingly bad, I have a friend who's at the company who paying this garbage fire and I told them to yell at their recruiters because this poo poo was bullshit
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Remember: discussing pay and benefits in the US (and likely elsewhere) with your coworkers is 100% legal, and if HR gives you pushback, tell them that is a "protected employee action".
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aeflux posted:Applied for a job adjacent to what I am doing right now. Data/SQL architecture stuff. Third interview scheduled for Aug 7 for this gig. They want a whole half day (!) for in-person interviews with their staff Smaller company, 25 or so. Spoke with one of the team leads and he said it's been gangbusters and they need people. Pretty stoked that the cj pivot thing here might work out but I am fearful of a lowball offer. But based off their eagerness to interview/hire, the fact I already am employed somewhere else and how thin the job market is I can leverage all of that into a higher number. I hope. I really hate to leave current job because it's so cush in terms of technical demands but I am miserable and there's absolutely no movement at all for furthering my career.
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iospace posted:Remember: discussing pay and benefits in the US (and likely elsewhere) with your coworkers is 100% legal, and if HR gives you pushback, tell them that is a "protected employee action". At my last job every year during bonus season they would give you a letter talking about how details of your compensation were confidential and that we were not to share that info. Before I left I dropped a tip in my departments anonymous feedback form citing the national labor relations act of 1935 letting them know that salary discussion was protected speech. This apparently escalated in a public way all the way to headquarters and the CEO, who wanted to know who left that tip. They no longer give out that letter with your bonus. I also heard through the grapevine that a bunch of the newer hires at the headquarters passed around a spreadsheet with all of their salary and bonus information, and a lot of 3-5 year people found out they were making as much as the new grads. Management is way pissed off about this but can do nothing about it and a ton of young people are asking for more money. 
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Asleep Style posted:At my last job every year during bonus season they would give you a letter talking about how details of your compensation were confidential and that we were not to share that info. Before I left I dropped a tip in my departments anonymous feedback form citing the national labor relations act of 1935 letting them know that salary discussion was protected speech. This apparently escalated in a public way all the way to headquarters and the CEO, who wanted to know who left that tip. They no longer give out that letter with your bonus. this owns
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Asleep Style posted:At my last job every year during bonus season they would give you a letter talking about how details of your compensation were confidential and that we were not to share that info. Before I left I dropped a tip in my departments anonymous feedback form citing the national labor relations act of 1935 letting them know that salary discussion was protected speech. This apparently escalated in a public way all the way to headquarters and the CEO, who wanted to know who left that tip. They no longer give out that letter with your bonus. 
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my company had an internal hackathon and at presentations one guy got up and said “i started a salary survey, here’s the link” management is pissed. apparently they’re telling him that nobody cares about this stuff and he’s just causing trouble. fingers crossed for the hackathon vote, it’d be incredible if he won.
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Jul 27, 2019 18:58
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Remember: if you're not in a union, you're leaving money on the table.
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iospace posted:Remember: discussing pay and benefits in the US (and likely elsewhere) with your coworkers is 100% legal, and if HR gives you pushback, tell them that is a "protected employee action". The same goes for working conditions - office environment, whether or not your manager yells at you frequently, etc.
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Jul 27, 2019 22:39
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isn't the penalty for exercising these rights getting fired and having to legal up to prove the company did A Bad, at potentially literally ruinous personal cost
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Jul 27, 2019 22:41
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Ciaphas posted:isn't the penalty for exercising these rights getting fired and having to legal up to prove the company did A Bad, at potentially literally ruinous personal cost
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iospace posted:Remember: discussing pay and benefits in the US (and likely elsewhere) with your coworkers is 100% legal, and if HR gives you pushback, tell them that is a "protected employee action". at my last one on one with my boss, at the very end, he goes "oh, I have one more piece of feedback for you. I'm not telling you you can't, because it'd be illegal. I wouldn't tell you you can't. but just think about the context before you tell you coworkers your salary" kinda sucks, cause otherwise he's been a good boss well, only 2 more weeks at this place
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Correct, usually in those cases it's hard to win a wrongful termination suit, unless you get lucky and have a pro bono lawyer. Thanks at will laws! Conversely, it's hard for the company to deny you unemployment though in those cases, because usually they'll fire you without documenting any prior issues, and if you challenge them denying you, they'll drop it. Doesn't make up for the first though.
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Jul 27, 2019 22:55
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all salaries in any company should be posted on a big board in the lobby alternatively on sharepoint
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Boiled Water posted:all salaries in any company should be posted on a big board in the lobby Especially the c-suite and VPs
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iospace posted:Especially the c-suite and VPs
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iospace posted:Correct, usually in those cases it's hard to win a wrongful termination suit, unless you get lucky and have a pro bono lawyer. Thanks at will laws!
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Jul 27, 2019 23:22
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FMguru posted:needs to be total compensation, not just salary
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FMguru posted:needs to be total compensation, not just salary This
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this is why i like glassdoor in the US because it so effectively short circuits americans’ inclination to not want to talk about that stuff
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iospace posted:Correct, usually in those cases it's hard to win a wrongful termination suit, unless you get lucky and have a pro bono lawyer. Thanks at will laws! Even with documentation, a lot of the time it's bullshit reasons and if someone appeals with a decent enough reason/documents they're usually granted the compensation.
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Boiled Water posted:all salaries in any company should be posted on a big board in the lobby at least in most tech companies, at least some salaries will be posted on the wall for H1-B compliance. most are also like mine in that the wall in question is behind a large plant for no particular reason
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raminasi posted:my company had an internal hackathon and at presentations one guy got up and said “i started a salary survey, here’s the link” my god i wish i had thought of that before leaving my last job
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Ciaphas posted:isn't the penalty for exercising these rights getting fired and having to legal up to prove the company did A Bad, at potentially literally ruinous personal cost ShadowHawk posted:Yup! The same goes for cases of wage theft. 
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got referred to the hiring manager for a FAANG job, maybe this will let me skip one of the nine interview rounds.
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holy poo poo quitting is awesome. also manager tried to tell me i have to give to weeks because hr requires that when i said i was leaving friday. i was like yeah no i'm leaving friday.
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KidDynamite posted:holy poo poo quitting is awesome. also manager tried to tell me i have to give to weeks because hr requires that when i said i was leaving friday. i was like yeah no i'm leaving friday. hope you dropped the term "at will employment"
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KidDynamite posted:holy poo poo quitting is awesome. also manager tried to tell me i have to give to weeks because hr requires that when i said i was leaving friday. i was like yeah no i'm leaving friday. 'or else what? you'll fire me?'
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KidDynamite posted:holy poo poo quitting is awesome. also manager tried to tell me i have to give to weeks because hr requires that when i said i was leaving friday. i was like yeah no i'm leaving friday. Hahaha, Nicely done.
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where are good place to post jobs? i've always had really good luck with HN, but then you only get HN demographics. would like to do better than that
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