|
Light Gun Man posted:Peter Gabriel videos own  run Mike, run! Oh wow, I recognize the PC-FX from Game Dev Story. It being a Japanese game so it had a bunch of weird Japanese consoles that never saw any kind of movement in north America.
|
#
?
Jul 30, 2019 08:19
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 27, 2024 15:39 |
|
|
Found a really neat documentary called "The Rise and Fall of Nokia". It's mostly in Finnish (obviously) with english subtitles. Nevertheless it is a drat good documentary interviewing a lot of the major ex-employees. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8717008/
|
|
#
?
Jul 30, 2019 10:42
|
|
|
boo_radley posted:Hello new thread title! Fortunately someone DID burn one. Here's the (lengthy) story: https://simson.net/ref/1993/cubefire.html quote:"Ignition was almost instantaneous. Within seconds, the intense heat from the pool of burning magnesium had set the second cube's sides smoking, then burning. Once again I saw that tell-tale bright white light with touches of green. Flames trailed up the cube's sides. The cube's top sagged a bit, then smoked, then started to burn. This time, the object engulfed by fire was clearly a NeXT Computer.
|
|
#
?
Jul 30, 2019 10:56
|
|
|
boo_radley posted:My personal account in obsolete tech was the nextcube! It was a tremendously dense cube, and the monitor used a weird rear end cable and was exceptionally fuzzy for being a grayscale monitor. I lucked into after reading a newsgroup posting- the seller made me promise if I got bored with it that I'd resell it or donate it and not burn it, since it was made out of magnesium for some insane reason and would burn like nobody's business https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkvQ-BJD2rU Need thermite to kick it off.
|
|
#
?
Jul 30, 2019 11:06
|
|
|
 Holy poo poo never change apple, wow.
|
|
#
?
Jul 30, 2019 11:32
|
|
|
Oh yeah Apple of today really is a continuation of NeXT as much as pre-Jobs-return Apple. The biggest difference is probably that they are successful.
|
|
#
?
Jul 30, 2019 12:39
|
|
|
Essentially obsolete before it was even designed, have the Amiga Mind Walker: After Escom took over the Amiga brand from Commodore, they started prototyping a new model - this was the result. It never entered production as Escom went into liquidation before they could, but I don't think it would have really made any difference to the Amiga's fortunes. It would have had a 68030 (compared to the Amiga 1200's 68020, it was a good deal faster, but not as fast as the 68040 in the "big-box" A4000) and was designed to use non-Amiga specific parts, presumably to decrease manufacturing costs.
|
|
#
?
Jul 30, 2019 13:32
|
|
|
Do you need a special type of fire extinguisher for a NeXT cube then, or do you just have to let it burn out? Those systems are what some of the DOOM development was done on, right?
|
|
#
?
Jul 30, 2019 13:52
|
|
|
Buttcoin purse posted:Do you need a special type of fire extinguisher for a NeXT cube then, or do you just have to let it burn out? idk about doom but the usual claim to fame for them is the world wide web at cern
|
|
#
?
Jul 30, 2019 14:24
|
|
|
Buttcoin purse posted:Do you need a special type of fire extinguisher for a NeXT cube then, or do you just have to let it burn out? Class D extinguishers, but if you have more than one of those fuckers on a bench you should basically just bail. In a pinch, a fuckload of sand and/or rocksalt is alright.
|
|
#
?
Jul 30, 2019 14:29
|
|
|
If you're working with dangerously flammable substances, your last lines of defense are buckets of sand or good running shoes.
|
|
#
?
Jul 30, 2019 14:37
|
|
|
Someone please get Colin Furze on the line and ask him to convert a NeXT cube into a mobile workstation powered by lithium batteries.
|
|
#
?
Jul 30, 2019 14:52
|
|
|
With "mobile" you mean like rocket powered right
|
|
#
?
Jul 30, 2019 14:59
|
|
|
ArcMage posted:Class D extinguishers, but if you have more than one of those fuckers on a bench you should basically just bail. 5000 tons of sand and boron
|
|
#
?
Jul 30, 2019 15:00
|
|
|
My Lovely Horse posted:With "mobile" you mean like rocket powered right  I suppose if we can get a nozzle large enough!
|
|
#
?
Jul 30, 2019 15:11
|
|
|
GazChap posted:Essentially obsolete before it was even designed, have the Amiga Mind Walker:
|
|
#
?
Jul 30, 2019 15:45
|
|
|
GazChap posted:Essentially obsolete before it was even designed, have the Amiga Mind Walker:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjTjerSd4IA
|
|
#
?
Jul 30, 2019 16:09
|
|
|
Computer viking posted:Oh yeah Apple of today really is a continuation of NeXT as much as pre-Jobs-return Apple. The biggest difference is probably that they are successful. Didn't they explicitly buy NeXT to get the OS people, as well as of course Jobs? Most of whom were involved in the MacOS shift to being Linux-based? A friend of mine led that team IIRC>
|
|
#
?
Jul 30, 2019 16:16
|
|
|
Arsenic Lupin posted:Didn't they explicitly buy NeXT to get the OS people, as well as of course Jobs? Most of whom were involved in the MacOS shift to being Linux-based? A friend of mine led that team IIRC> There are all kinds of weird stories about that. IBM was worried about Microsoft's dominance and wanted to license NeXTStep, but Jobs strung them along and dicked around until they finally threw up their hands and went all in with Windows (at least until they went all in with Linux). That movie about him implied that was Job's plan all along. I'm not sure if he was thinking that far ahead. More likely he legitimately thought colleges would pay $10k for a workstation because Jobs' could be kind of stupid. But yeah, Apple hosed up with their next gen operating system and needed NeXTStep so much they tolerated Steve Jobs coming back.
|
|
#
?
Jul 30, 2019 16:28
|
|
|
As one of the FreeBSD using weirdos I feel compelled to point out that OS X is a Mach microkernel with bits of BSD unix/FreeBSD bolted on; there's no Linux in there.
|
|
#
?
Jul 30, 2019 17:14
|
|
|
Arsenic Lupin posted:Didn't they explicitly buy NeXT to get the OS people, as well as of course Jobs? Most of whom were involved in the MacOS shift to being Linux-based? A friend of mine led that team IIRC> NeXTSTEP used a Mach-derived kernel with chunks of BSD code in it. The OS X Darwin kernel is either the same kernel or a reimplementation of the same idea because I've gone into the source and it's... a Mach-derived kernel with BSD code on it. There's no Linux anywhere, though. e:f,b
|
|
#
?
Jul 30, 2019 17:15
|
|
|
They upgraded most/all of those parts from 4.4BSD to FreeBSD not too long after Apple took over, I believe. I don't know how often they borrow newer FreeBSD code vs writing their own these days; either way I don't get the impression that the *nix layer is a high priority for them. (Which is a shame, it's one of the reasons Macs have been popular workstations for researchers and techies.)
Computer viking has a new favorite as of 17:20 on Jul 30, 2019 |
|
#
?
Jul 30, 2019 17:17
|
|
|
Yup, my memory sucks; sorry about that!
|
|
#
?
Jul 30, 2019 17:42
|
|
|
Krispy Wafer posted:That movie about him implied that was Job's plan all along. I'm not sure if he was thinking that far ahead. More likely he legitimately thought colleges would pay $10k for a workstation because Jobs' could be kind of stupid.
|
|
#
?
Jul 30, 2019 18:00
|
|
|
Awe it looks like a puppy! Weird shaped computers reminds me of the Power Mac 4 Cube.  Man is that the peak of modern design in the late 90s/early 2000s. I also remember a friend lobbying his job to get him one of these, but when he finally got it, it ran to hot when doing his work.
|
|
#
?
Jul 30, 2019 18:34
|
|
|
NeXT had been shipping real product to real customers for 8 years by the time that Apple bought them though? It wasn't vapourware.
|
|
#
?
Jul 30, 2019 18:36
|
|
|
ookiimarukochan posted:NeXT had been shipping real product to real customers for 8 years by the time that Apple bought them though? It wasn't vapourware. Jobs had a habit of announcing stuff that was half baked. He just got real lucky every time he did it. When it was first announced NeXTStep wasn’t ready, but they were able to make it work. Same with the Mac, same with the iPhone. NeXT also stopped selling hardware after a couple of years and tried to focus on software. Since they were privately owned, Jobs never had to release financials or sales figures. He made the company out to be far more successful than it was.
|
|
#
?
Jul 30, 2019 18:42
|
|
|
ookiimarukochan posted:NeXT had been shipping real product to real customers for 8 years by the time that Apple bought them though? It wasn't vapourware. iOS is based on NeXTSTEP as well. Even if NeXT had never produced a single gram of hardware Apple got their money's worth out of that purchase and more.
|
|
#
?
Jul 30, 2019 18:59
|
|
|
I wonder what the oldest bit of code you could find is if you looked into the latest version of MacOS or iOS. Fascinating that things like that still sort of carry DNA from the earliest days of computing.
|
|
#
?
Jul 30, 2019 19:05
|
|
|
twistedmentat posted:Weird shaped computers reminds me of the Power Mac 4 Cube.
|
|
#
?
Jul 30, 2019 19:06
|
|
|
FilthyImp posted:You can see some of the ideas behind iPod there, with the pristine white used. Pretty cool. 
|
|
#
?
Jul 30, 2019 19:09
|
|
|
Imagined posted:I wonder what the oldest bit of code you could find is if you looked into the latest version of MacOS or iOS. Fascinating that things like that still sort of carry DNA from the earliest days of computing. Consider compilers. Today’s compilers are made with the aid of slightly older compilers. So how were those compilers made? It cannot be compilers all the way down. All software running today can be traced to ancestor programs for which humans set bits by hand, with something like punch cards or front panel switches.
|
|
#
?
Jul 30, 2019 19:14
|
|
|
Platystemon posted:Consider compilers. Basically everything in modern home systems goes back to C programming language and Multics (predecessor of Unix). Its safe to say that most of computers, mobile devices included, are running programs compiled from source code which was written in the 70's (C was launched in 1972) because everything will, at some point, have the C-languages stdio-library for reading input and using output channels applied somewhere. Everything before C and Unix was more or less domain-specific or more or less needed to be re-created between hardware setups because software and hardware used to be more purpose-built back then. Of course if you for some reason use terminal-based apps which are written in FORTRAN programming language, you might have libraries or systems functions designed and written in the early fifties because FORTRAN was the first real programming language, and was launched in -57. EDIT: Obviously this discounts the fact that most of the algorithms and mathematics and task management stuff was obviously invented before UNIX systems but that is more or less algorithmic mathematics and circuit logic which has nothing to do with what program code is currently running on your device as you read this message. Der Kyhe has a new favorite as of 19:56 on Jul 30, 2019 |
|
#
?
Jul 30, 2019 19:45
|
|
|
twistedmentat posted:Awe it looks like a puppy! God I wanted a cube so bad. I had that ADC CRT, when I went to drop it off at an electronics recycler my car rode about 3 inches lower in the back from the weight. Still have those speakers kicking around, but they can’t be connected to anything thanks to a proprietary audio/power cable that Apple stopped supporting back in the G5 days.
|
|
#
?
Jul 30, 2019 19:49
|
|
|
Every copy of OS X includes ed, a text editor originally written in 1969. Granted, the version that OS X runs was rewritten completely in a modern programming language, so it isn't the same code.
|
|
#
?
Jul 30, 2019 19:53
|
|
|
Der Kyhe posted:Basically everything in modern home systems goes back to C programming language and Multics (predecessor of Unix). Its safe to say that most of computers, mobile devices included, are running programs compiled from source code which was written in the 70's (C was launched in 1972) because everything will, at some point, have the C-languages stdio-library for reading input and using output channels applied somewhere. Was it Kernighan who did a concept demo of a self-obfuscating hostile C compiler? I remember the paper, but it was years ago.
|
|
#
?
Jul 30, 2019 20:13
|
|
|
Platystemon posted:All software running today can be traced to ancestor programs for which humans set bits by hand, with something like punch cards or front panel switches. I'd like to see someone do the archeology on this and find a specific example: point to a fragment of code from the latest OS that was originally punchcode.
|
|
#
?
Jul 30, 2019 20:14
|
|
|
Arsenic Lupin posted:Was it Kernighan who did a concept demo of a self-obfuscating hostile C compiler? I remember the paper, but it was years ago. “Reflections on Trusting Trust” by Ken Thompson
|
|
#
?
Jul 30, 2019 20:16
|
|
|
Reaction to the Walker even at the time was... mixed.
|
|
#
?
Jul 30, 2019 20:30
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 27, 2024 15:39 |
|
|
Shut up Meg posted:I'd like to see someone do the archeology on this and find a specific example: point to a fragment of code from the latest OS that was originally punchcode. ARM and X86 instruction set architectures are both from the magnet tape /disk era, so OS itself will most likely have lines not older than 35 years. The best bet on finding old original source code (never revised, modernized or rewritten besides being copied and bundled to a new release version) comes with the programming language libraries which precede the modern technical platforms.
|
|
#
?
Jul 30, 2019 20:32
|
|