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OBAMNA PHONE
Aug 7, 2002

yorkinshire posted:

Does anyone have book recommendations on the topic of right-wing extremism? Looking specifically for the history of extremists groups in America but open to anything.

ive been meaning to read this one:

https://www.amazon.com/Bring-War-Home-Movement-Paramilitary/dp/0674286073


paranoid is available here:

https://harpers.org/archive/1964/11/the-paranoid-style-in-american-politics/

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Captain_Maclaine
Sep 30, 2001

Every moment that I'm alive, I pray for death!

yorkinshire posted:

Thanks, I'll check it out tonight.

Be forewarned that Hofstadter was a 60s social theory guy, and his writing style reflects that.

BONGHITZ
Jan 1, 1970

the 60s did nothing wrong

Ague Proof
Jun 5, 2014

they told me
I was everything
https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/1043181925068812288
https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/622142763610603520

Wraith of J.O.I.
Jan 25, 2012



nothing will top him criticizing and then naming his book “the right side of history”

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

pookel posted:

I noticed some Chinese conversation between the guy this is about & a reply to this & ran it through Google translate. Then I went back through the dude's timeline a bit & looked at his website. Not sure who he is, but he's definitely a white guy living in China who fetishizes Asian women and uncritically pines for the old days when girls were married off young. Just another one of those great Chinese traditions ruined by communism!

that lasr bit is weird given that he's a communist who writes for Chinese media

yorkinshire
Apr 28, 2009

In space no one can hear your dope beats.

Belew's book seems to be what I'm looking for, thanks it will be added to the list.

pookel
Oct 27, 2011

Ultra Carp

StashAugustine posted:

that lasr bit is weird given that he's a communist who writes for Chinese media

I was talking about Spandrell, the guy in the image-quoted tweet. Pretty sure he is not any kind of communist.

https://spandrell.com/2019/05/12/the-reactionary-tax-code/

quote:

I’ve also been meeting some readers in person over the last few years, and they all agree that the “analysis phase” of this little movement we’ve come to call neoreaction is done. Moldbug started the whole thing, asked the right questions, showed how everything we thought we knew was wrong, then he left to build interesting stuff. Nick Land asked another set of right questions, found out nobody dared answer them, and then he left to write horror fiction. I here have done my little part on finishing what I considered was most important: an analysis of the history and the psychology of leftism.

Well, that’s done, we know leftists are sociopathic status maximizers who seek groups of people who, for contingent or increasingly genetic reasons, have low status, and thus a great incentive to disturb the political process and create chaos in society.

https://spandrell.com/2019/01/06/the-intelligence-question/

quote:

I’m entitled to poo poo on people for fun once in a while, especially if they’ve given good reason, as Taleb did by saying the most retarded thing that anyone can say: that black overpopulation is not a problem because they’ll turn out just as smart as the Germanic tribes did in post-Roman Europe.

That’ s not just retarded, that’s the most harmful and dangerous thing that you can say, period. The most dire danger to Western Civilization, to our lands, to our families, to our friends, to everything we hold dear, is the demographic replacement of Western populations by immigrants from Africa and the Middle East. Taleb is saying that’s not a problem! Well, gently caress Taleb, gently caress his books, his goatee, his accent. gently caress his deadlift, his insecurity about his racial background, and everything about him. And gently caress you.

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012

Slugnoid posted:

Hello potion seller, I am going into battle and I want your strongest potions.



potion seller! i tell you i am going into battle!!!

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

pookel posted:

I was talking about Spandrell, the guy in the image-quoted tweet. Pretty sure he is not any kind of communist.

https://spandrell.com/2019/05/12/the-reactionary-tax-code/


https://spandrell.com/2019/01/06/the-intelligence-question/

Oh misread you. And lol :yikes:

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:
please do not defame potion seller or the knight by associating them with these people

their potions are too strong for the alt-right

Ague Proof
Jun 5, 2014

they told me
I was everything

Darkman Fanpage posted:

potion seller! i tell you i am going into battle!!!

You're not welcome here!

Dixie Cretin Seaman
Jan 22, 2008

all hat and one catte
Hot Rope Guy

Wraith of J.O.I. posted:

nothing will top him criticizing and then naming his book “the right side of history”

i really don't like giving ben much credit, but i think the book title is intentional. it's a pun on "right" meaning "correct" vs "conservative" and in that context serves as a facetious jab at the people who use the term in the common parlance.

it's exactly the kind of smarmy wordplay that nyt editors look for in a cool kids' philosopher in lieu of solid research or cogent arguments

Juul-Whip
Mar 10, 2008

Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:

i really don't like giving ben much credit, but i think the book title is intentional. it's a pun on "right" meaning "correct" vs "conservative" and in that context serves as a facetious jab at the people who use the term in the common parlance.

it's exactly the kind of smarmy wordplay that nyt editors look for in a cool kids' philosopher in lieu of solid research or cogent arguments

he’s so proud of the phrase “insane and asinine” here (which is impossible to not read in his voice) that he invokes it twice in the same sentence. such wordplay

https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/1155924060414418944?s=12

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



Juul-Whip posted:

he’s so proud of the phrase “insane and asinine” here (which is impossible to not read in his voice) that he invokes it twice in the same sentence. such wordplay

https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/1155924060414418944?s=12

well Ben is he an atheist or does he worship socialism

Ague Proof
Jun 5, 2014

they told me
I was everything
what Ben tweeted is 1000 times more anti-Semitic than anything Ilhan Omar or Jeremy Corbyn have ever said or done (zilch)

uber_stoat
Jan 21, 2001



Pillbug

Slugnoid posted:

Hello potion seller, I am going into battle and I want your strongest potions.



Midian is where the monsters live.

MaxieSatan
Oct 19, 2017

critical support for anarchists
(definitely not an anti-semite voice) he's not even a REAL jew, merely a godless cosmopolitan ethnic, and therefore,

Eat This Glob
Jan 14, 2008

God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. Who will wipe this blood off us? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we need to invent?

Captain_Maclaine posted:

It's remarkable. The guys I worked with were fuckin machines when it came to putting down roofs quickly and correctly (when they weren't too high*) but all of them had suspended licenses or lost them outright for DUIs.

I, by contrast, was barely competent and had little interest in learning the trade beyond getting paid each week, but could work the scaffolding and drive the truck.

*One got fired after cutting into a power main he hadn't bothered to check if it was on or not with the saws-all, which shorted spectacularly as a consequence. He had borrowed my heavy leather gloves beforehand, probably the only reason he didn't get electrocuted.


Hoffsteader's The Paranoid Style in American Politics is old (1967) but holds up remarkably well.

sounds eerily similar to my experience, minus the power main. must be every crew coast to coast lol.

at one job, my foreman with split a joint with the other laborer before work and then have some beers at lunch. at that job, it was literally demolishing the inside of a burned up building. I have no issues with weed and I'm definitely no snitch, but the job had a "test on workman's comp claim" policy and I wasnt going to forgo getting paid because a building collapsed on me because I hit a joint last week. because I was under 21, I didnt even drink beer, despite it being summertime and sweating to death covered in ppe. i admired the zero fucks given attitude but it wasnt me lol

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Slugnoid posted:

Hello potion seller, I am going into battle and I want your strongest potions.



Foreveral loomerized and loving it.

MizPiz
May 29, 2013

by Athanatos

BONGHITZ posted:

the 60s did nothing wrong

The 60s was a CIA psyop

Dixie Cretin Seaman
Jan 22, 2008

all hat and one catte
Hot Rope Guy

MaxieSatan posted:

(definitely not an anti-semite voice) he's not even a REAL jew, merely a godless cosmopolitan ethnic, and therefore,

ben is such a tragic character. he always explains that the bad jews are the irreligious cultural ones, not the devout ones. but his biggest fans only know of one place with jews so they go firebomb the nearest synagogue and call it a night :shrug:

pookel
Oct 27, 2011

Ultra Carp

MaxieSatan posted:

(definitely not an anti-semite voice) he's not even a REAL jew, merely a godless cosmopolitan ethnic, and therefore,
If black dudes who buy into right-wing patriarchal bullshit are hoteps (I realize the term is more complex than that), what do we call Jews who buy into right wing Christian bullshit?

I don't feel like "capo" really covers it, as to me that's a Stephen Miller type who sells out his own people for status. Shapiro, OTOH, seems to love being the white evangelicals' favorite pet Jew & parroting Christian moral values while ignoring the entirety of Jewish legal tradition.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 22 days!)

every time somebody says socialists think economic growth is a "zero sum game" I want to chop their heads off with a broadsword

Ruzihm
Aug 11, 2010

Group up and push mid, proletariat!


Pener Kropoopkin posted:

every time somebody says socialists think economic growth is a "zero sum game" I want to chop their heads off with a broadsword

was on the capitalism/socialism debate subreddit last year or so when I heard someone say this.

blew their mind when I told them that growth indeed isn't a zero sum game. It's market share that is a zero sum game

Ruzihm
Aug 11, 2010

Group up and push mid, proletariat!


pookel posted:

If black dudes who buy into right-wing patriarchal bullshit are hoteps (I realize the term is more complex than that), what do we call Jews who buy into right wing Christian bullshit?

I don't feel like "capo" really covers it, as to me that's a Stephen Miller type who sells out his own people for status. Shapiro, OTOH, seems to love being the white evangelicals' favorite pet Jew & parroting Christian moral values while ignoring the entirety of Jewish legal tradition.

they're a prager (sorry I don't actually know a good term :shobon:)

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 22 days!)

Ruzihm posted:

was on the capitalism/socialism debate subreddit last year or so when I heard someone say this.

blew their mind when I told them that growth indeed isn't a zero sum game. It's market share that is a zero sum game

That's a great point I'll have to remember and use in the future.

Kurtofan
Feb 16, 2011

hon hon hon

Slugnoid posted:

Hello potion seller, I am going into battle and I want your strongest potions.



Whats going on with that guy next to them

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

https://www.economist.com/special-report/2019/07/25/culture-wars-canadian-style

the economist has a piece defending daddy jorp. can't read it cause of paywall. anything good in there?

Norton the First
Dec 4, 2018

by Fluffdaddy

Mr Interweb posted:

https://www.economist.com/special-report/2019/07/25/culture-wars-canadian-style

the economist has a piece defending daddy jorp. can't read it cause of paywall. anything good in there?

quote:

Meghan Murphy, who founded Feminist Current, a website, argues that Bill C-16 was “rushed through with no discussion…about how it would affect women and girls”. It probably encouraged Vancouver to cut off funding for the rape centre. “Canada likes to consider itself very liberal and accepting,” she says. But “we can’t just accept and include when it’s harming other groups”.

Take three guesses what sort of "a website" we're talking about.

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

"a website"

:lol: great writers you enslisted, economist

Juul-Whip
Mar 10, 2008

so glad the city defunded their hate group. and it was a female councillor from the right wing party who brought the motion

Hellsau
Jan 14, 2010

NEVER FUCKING TAKE A NIGHT OFF CLAN WARS.

Norton the First posted:

Take three guesses what sort of "a website" we're talking about.

i'm gonna guess 'transphobic'

aware of dog
Nov 14, 2016

Hellsau posted:

i'm gonna guess 'transphobic'

ding ding ding! Murphy is a major terf

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:
this thread got super gross over the last few pages

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!
well yeah but you kind of have to talk about Ben in this thread

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

https://twitter.com/Halalcoholism/status/1156194016154677250

Norton the First
Dec 4, 2018

by Fluffdaddy

Hellsau posted:

i'm gonna guess 'transphobic'

that is correct, however the instructions clearly stated to take three guesses, so I am not able to accept your answer.

Kurtofan
Feb 16, 2011

hon hon hon

Only establishment people criticize trump i guess

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brugroffil
Nov 30, 2015


yorkinshire posted:

Does anyone have book recommendations on the topic of right-wing extremism? Looking specifically for the history of extremists groups in America but open to anything.

Rick Perlstein's books are a good overview of the rise of conservatism from the 50's through Reagan

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