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mortons stork posted:European liberals take the cake for being the absolute worst possible irredeemable garbage of the old political class. [hundreds of thousands of people die to liberate Europe from fascism in the 1940s] *liberals ever since, looking between the socialists who want people to live in dignity, and the fascists who want to destroy Europe all over again* well the fascists won't raise taxes
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mortons stork posted:European liberals take the cake for being the absolute worst possible irredeemable garbage of the old political class. They have actively chosen fascism over social democracy.
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I Love Annie May posted:I agree that cooperatives sound like a wonderful idea on paper, but I heard nothing but horror stories from people who work for them. But maybe you know some positive examples? https://www.thenation.com/article/worker-cooperatives-are-more-productive-than-normal-companies/ http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/1/13/worker-run-cooperatives.html https://www.fastcompany.com/40572926/more-u-s-businesses-are-becoming-worker-co-ops-heres-why Notable coops are CHS, Semco, and Mondragon. There are also companies with strong cooperative elements like Valve.
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mcmagic posted:They have actively chosen fascism over social democracy. It reminds me of the time Verhofstadt tried to backroom deal himself into the EP presidency and the M5S, who are avowed fascists/enablers, into ALDE. That tells you all you really need to know about that faction, really. Still doesn't stop Verhofstadt from crowing about muh european values. I still don't know how he's still there after that stunt. mortons stork fucked around with this message at 17:01 on Jul 23, 2019 |
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Never forget that Verhofstadt earn way, way more for consulting with a weird Luxembourg banking group and a mining company than he does with his (drat good) MEP salary.
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Tesseraction posted:Perhaps a German speaker in here can help me out with an idle curiosity. I was using the term bean counter earlier and worried it might have a US-racial connotation (see: "beaners" as a racist term for Mexicans) so I looked it up. Thankfully it's nothing of the sort, but the English usage apparently only appears in the 20th century, whereas the German term Erbsenzähler is easily traced back to the late 1600s. However my German is rusty as poo poo so I'm struggling to successfully find an etymology for it, most of the German sources I find suggest it's a reference to Mendel's contribution to genetics via documenting peas, but that wouldn't explain the 1668 usage with the modern pejorative streak. Any Teutons got any idea? After a bit of googling it seems the original meaning(from the Simplicissimus) was that of a extremely stingy/miserly person. As in someone that even counted the peas their family and workers got to eat. That's not explicitly mentioned, but it fits the serving half rotten food/boiling the last bit of fat out of the already gnawed and licked clean bones, etc. In the part where he is called Erbsenzähler, he left some tripe by the open window, the hungry kids stole it, wolfed it down only halfway boiled and blamed the cat. Erbsenzähler weighed the cat and found that it was, including bones and fur, lighter than the tripe he was missing, which is probably where the more modern meaning of a pedantic person comes from.
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V. Illych L. posted:idk as a norwegian i'm increasingly convinced that luxemburg, not bernstein, was correct i know next to nothing about the debate between luxemburg and her contemporary socialists/anarchists. Where do I go to read up on her/them?
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The UK is so culturally and economically irrelevant that the fact that bojo became PM doesn't even really register for me as anything important. Trump was a disaster, this just reads like tabloid news, just more theater that won't change anything.
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Shibawanko posted:The UK is so culturally and economically irrelevant that the fact that bojo became PM doesn't even really register for me as anything important. Trump was a disaster, this just reads like tabloid news, just more theater that won't change anything. A Buttery Pastry fucked around with this message at 17:50 on Jul 23, 2019 |
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Bojo will nuke Iran during the next election to secure a strong Tory majority to push through No-deal Brexit. Or alternatively, during the honeymoon period after a No-deal Brexit followed by an election, to secure an even larger majority to make himself king. Boris will send destroyers incapable of sustained operations in hot temperatures to bully Iran so they'll break down and get sunk by speedboats.
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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double nine posted:i know next to nothing about the debate between luxemburg and her contemporary socialists/anarchists. Where do I go to read up on her/them? You could start with Reform or Revolution which specifically addresses the Bernstein reformist/sucdem point of view. The gist is Luxemburg was a revolutionary and Bernstein was very much not, and history has proven how utterly impossible it would be to achieve genuine socialism through the ballot box alone and from a position of gradual reform.
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lol UK did what was considered the comedy Brexit option in 2016Tesseraction posted:[ Lord Stimperor fucked around with this message at 19:08 on Jul 23, 2019 |
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Lord Stimperor posted:lol UK did what was considered the comedy Brexit option in 2016 No, liberals worship property rights and contract (i.e. capitalism) and will therefore always side with the fascists, who will protect them from even the mildest socialism that might just ask a question about that.
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forkboy84 posted:You could start with Reform or Revolution which specifically addresses the Bernstein reformist/sucdem point of view. thank you very much
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Shibawanko posted:The UK is so culturally and economically irrelevant that the fact that bojo became PM doesn't even really register for me as anything important. Trump was a disaster, this just reads like tabloid news, just more theater that won't change anything. It's like 13% of the EU economy. Do you really believe that falling out of the customs union would be irrelevant, especially now with the German economy in the doldrums? If the worst case projections are true and the UK really does lose like 7% of GDP in the immediate aftermath of a no deal Brexit it seems very likely the rest of Europe is going to fall into recession too
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goethe42 posted:After a bit of googling it seems the original meaning(from the Simplicissimus) was that of a extremely stingy/miserly person. As in someone that even counted the peas their family and workers got to eat. That's not explicitly mentioned, but it fits the serving half rotten food/boiling the last bit of fat out of the already gnawed and licked clean bones, etc. In the part where he is called Erbsenzähler, he left some tripe by the open window, the hungry kids stole it, wolfed it down only halfway boiled and blamed the cat. Erbsenzähler weighed the cat and found that it was, including bones and fur, lighter than the tripe he was missing, which is probably where the more modern meaning of a pedantic person comes from. Cheers. So it was more something developed on the spot by the author? Interesting how something that was probably a localised town slang has become such a ubiquitous term for a nitpicker.
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Tesseraction posted:Cheers. So it was more something developed on the spot by the author? Interesting how something that was probably a localised town slang has become such a ubiquitous term for a nitpicker. Eh, it's pretty good imagery so I'm not surprised it caught on quick. I bet every culture that has words has terms for stingy anal people, and the non-verbal ones probably had a special eye roll or something.
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I'm now trying to imagine how to be a nitpicker in a non-verbal culture. Just slapping poo poo out of peoples' hands because it just doesn't look right but you can't explain why.
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Tesseraction posted:I'm now trying to imagine how to be a nitpicker in a non-verbal culture. Just slapping poo poo out of peoples' hands because it just doesn't look right but you can't explain why. Cave painting of a grumpy dude hoarding and counting his berries, looking suspiciously at the others who are stuffing their bellies with what they gathered
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Lord Stimperor posted:Cave painting of a grumpy dude hoarding and counting his berries, looking suspiciously at the others who are stuffing their bellies with what they gathered getting angrier as the only numbers in their non-verbal culture are "one" or "many"
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double nine posted:i know next to nothing about the debate between luxemburg and her contemporary socialists/anarchists. Where do I go to read up on her/them? this is to let you know that i've seen this post and am going to compile a rosa luxemburg semi-effort post, as she was at the heart of some very relevant intra-left debates in her time; reform or revolution is a classic, so do start there. most of my primary texts will be from the marxist internet archive, an invaluable resource for this sort of thing hell i'll probably even use caps
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Tesseraction posted:I'm now trying to imagine how to be a nitpicker in a non-verbal culture. Literally picking nits out of someone else's fur
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/26/the-comma-touch-jacob-rees-mogg-sends-language-rules-to-staffquote:A list of rules has been sent to Jacob Rees-Mogg’s staff asking them to stop using words such as “hopefully” and demanding that they use only imperial measurements and give all non-titled males the suffix Esq. I understand the ban on "hopefully", no one who works for Rees-Mogg should ever claim to be hopeful.
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Double spaces after periods are a crime.
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Know what would really gently caress NATO up? If a country didn't agree to an Article 5 trigger and setoff a divided alliance.
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Know what would really gently caress NATO up? Like what Donald Trump has repeatedly threatened to? Oh hey take a look at BoJo's new Home Secretary, Priti Patel. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...y-a9018616.html
Yeah. That's the kind of people Bojo wants in his team. Cat Mattress fucked around with this message at 14:18 on Jul 28, 2019 |
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Cat Mattress posted:Like what Donald Trump has repeatedly threatened to? 
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https://www.britannica.com/event/Continental-System Does britain realise its about to put itself in the same position napoleon did 200 years ago?
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:https://www.britannica.com/event/Continental-System
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:https://www.britannica.com/event/Continental-System No. They think they're about to put themselves in the position they were in about 50-60 years after Napoleon.
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Orange Devil posted:No. They think they're about to put themselves in the position they were in about 50-60 years after Napoleon. And as far as the average standard of living goes, they aren't even wrong!
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punk rebel ecks posted:https://www.thenation.com/article/worker-cooperatives-are-more-productive-than-normal-companies/ Don't forget creator of excellent rougelite game Dead Cells, Motion Twin: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_Twin
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KoldPT posted:
Somehow I knew that this was a far-right meetup based purely on the faces of the people involved and the utter shittiness of the art. Didn't check the symbols being used, didn't look up the parties, was even nervous that the big round green one might be an anti-fascist "take up your swords" group, but just looking at them I was pretty sure I was looking at far-right. It's the full set: Disheveled, Dreamworks, Manscape, Mascara, Kubrick, Gammon, and Punchables. First group I checked, "Nazionalista." Yup.
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They all like failed attempts at a character creator.
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Somfin posted:Somehow I knew that this was a far-right meetup based purely on the faces of the people involved and the utter shittiness of the art. Didn't check the symbols being used, didn't look up the parties, was even nervous that the big round green one might be an anti-fascist "take up your swords" group, but just looking at them I was pretty sure I was looking at far-right. It's the full set: Disheveled, Dreamworks, Manscape, Mascara, Kubrick, Gammon, and Punchables. I mean the German one is literally called 'The Right'
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feedmegin posted:I mean the German one is literally called 'The Right' There's some languages I'm gonna assume the meanings match if they sound the same as English, and there are some languages I'm not gonna make that assumption, and German is definitely in the latter camp
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To be fair, there also is a party called "The Left" (die Linke) in Germany, so I assume their name was chosen with a certain woven-in image of rivalry in mind.
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