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Halloween Jack posted:Rewatching some clips, I have to admit it is filmed well. The overall production design doesn't hold a candle to Salvation, though. I saw Genesys (second) on the same day I saw Jurassic World (first) in theaters and I thought Genesys was the much better experience of the two. It was schlock, but it was pretty self aware and tried to be fun. I think if Salvation didn't happen and they had cast literally anyone but Jai Courtney, people would appreciate it for the dumb and fun sci-fi experience it is rather treating it as a continuation of poo poo smearing on the franchise. Maybe that's how people see TSCC, but I don't know. I certainly don't recommend anyone go out of their way to watch Genesys though.
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Reese would have no way knowing that they destroyed the time machine after he left. Connor could have told him he was going to, but lied instead.
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Jul 31, 2019 18:22
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Maybe Connor didn't know Reese would be his dad and it turns out he just really hated him. "Oh I can't stand that prick, let's send him to the past so I don't have to deal with him anymore. Tell him it's one way and we're going to blow it up, but gently caress that, we're totally going to keep a goddamn time machine. Seriously... gently caress that guy." Sort of a retroactive "gently caress You, Dad."
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Jul 31, 2019 19:04
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I could totally see John having an Isildur moment where he's like wait a second, why would I destroy a time machine? Hell, that future was probably already so hosed up that their best bets were to send everyone back to a happier time with the expectation that they're creating alternate realities anyway, thus not really ruining anything. Maybe that could be the basis of a sequel series.
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Jul 31, 2019 20:16
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iamsosmrt posted:I could totally see John having an Isildur moment where he's like wait a second, why would I destroy a time machine? I think they did a Southpark episode on that.
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Jul 31, 2019 23:09
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If Skynet can put living tissue over a terminator to send it back in time, why doesn't it send meat dufflebags full of laser guns with them? Is there an in-canon reason?
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Tart Kitty posted:If Skynet can put living tissue over a terminator to send it back in time, why doesn't it send meat dufflebags full of laser guns with them? Is there an in-canon reason? I doubt there'd be in-canon acknowledgement of that in the movies. Maybe a comic series though. In a similar vein, was it ever explicitly said that the Skynet in T2 is the same as in T1? It doesn't really make sense that it'd bother sending a T-800 to the 80s when it could've easily had sent a far superior T-1000. Unless the events of T1 had already changed the future.
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Aug 1, 2019 02:54
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Tart Kitty posted:If Skynet can put living tissue over a terminator to send it back in time, why doesn't it send meat dufflebags full of laser guns with them? Is there an in-canon reason? In one of the comics Skynet cuts open some humans, stuffs em with gun parts, sews them shut, teleports them over and they die horribly, but on the other side so now the Terminator there has a plasma rifle.
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Aug 1, 2019 08:19
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Man, thinking about it, thinking about "why not just send a nuclear bomb wrapped in meat", terminator feels like it fell apart once the cold war ended and no one had the same sort of nuclear war fear to tap into. Think of how zeitgeist tapping an early 2000s, a movie about skynet just sending bombs super unexpectedly that could just appear anywhere and are coming from some distant time far far away. Like tap in to the fear of that period where everyone was like, small towns fortifying their local mall on fear terrorists would get it. With no way to stop it but to turn on eachother. (actually, 2019, terminator could do a "what if the terminators represent mass shootings" if they made it abstract enough to be not totally tasteless)
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Aug 1, 2019 12:26
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what if skynet is the driving force behind resistance to acting on climate change, hoping to kill off all biological life the easy way?
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Aug 1, 2019 12:36
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thatbastardken posted:what if skynet is the driving force behind resistance to acting on climate change, hoping to kill off all biological life the easy way? It's honestly really weird how many major social anxieties society has and how bad movies have gotten at tapping into them. Like movies certainly come out "about" major social issues, but looking back you can see there was a ton of big movies that really hit the zeitgeist by taking a thing people in society was worried about and making it abstractly a monster without really even mentioning the issue it's the fear of and having that movie resonate a ton with lots of people. Like there is movies that mention climate change, but none of the "what if climate change was a guy that came to your house and kicked you" type movies the way stuff like terminator had a weird edge of "you know that fear you have of inevitable nuclear war everyone in the country currently has to some degree? what if that was also a guy chasing you personally!"
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Aug 1, 2019 14:22
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iamsosmrt posted:I doubt there'd be in-canon acknowledgement of that in the movies. Maybe a comic series though. the terminators were sent back from the same time (the intro to T2 talks about this). you can infer that kyle reese didn't know this (in universe) because they discovered the t-1000 was sent back after he'd already gone through. Owlofcreamcheese posted:Man, thinking about it, thinking about "why not just send a nuclear bomb wrapped in meat", terminator feels like it fell apart once the cold war ended and no one had the same sort of nuclear war fear to tap into. if it doesn't send a terminator back it's never created. terminator 2 was released after the ussr collapsed - john even says "aren't they our friends now?"
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Aug 1, 2019 14:28
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[SMG]Since Skynet is immanent in the capitalist system, basically yes.[/SMG]
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Aug 1, 2019 14:36
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Groovelord Neato posted:the terminators were sent back from the same time (the intro to T2 talks about this). you can infer that kyle reese didn't know this (in universe) because they discovered the t-1000 was sent back after he'd already gone through. Right, that's how I always understood it. I just mean there's no logical reason to send a lovely T-800 when you have perfectly good T-1000s. It's like if Apple gave some of their top execs iPad Airs when they've already produced Pros. My only logical head canon explanation would be that the T-1000 didn't even exist until Reese changed something in the past.
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Aug 1, 2019 14:38
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Groovelord Neato posted:terminator 2 was released after the ussr collapsed - john even says "aren't they our friends now?" I mean the daleks from doctor who are the very specific sort of german tank (with the little egg beater cannon end and suction cup looking machine gun cover) and are the british world war II fear of "hey, what if german tanks got in your house and yelled loudly at you" and doctor who came out like 17 years after world war II, stuff isn't always exactly timely to pray on lingering anxieties. Since people's fears don't end exactly on a calendar. Terminator being about the inevitability of nuclear war was super not a coincidence.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:It's honestly really weird how many major social anxieties society has and how bad movies have gotten at tapping into them. Because these days every major social anxiety has been politicized to hell and Hollywood as a rule is deathly afraid of taking any sort of stand on those issues.
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Tart Kitty posted:If Skynet can put living tissue over a terminator to send it back in time, why doesn't it send meat dufflebags full of laser guns with them? Is there an in-canon reason? They actually did this in one of the NOW Terminator comics. Darkhorse? One or both of those. It wasn't meat dufflebags though, it was people. Actually, I guess people are meat dufflebags so thin blue whine fucked around with this message at 14:47 on Aug 1, 2019 |
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Aug 1, 2019 14:45
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the terminator definitely grew out of the cold war but what's always stuck with me since i was a kid and fell in love with the first two films was that it's more about our inhumanity towards each other in general. and it's not even subtext - you have the scene where they see the two kids play fighting and john asks the terminator "we're not going to make it, are we? humans i mean." and the terminator says it's on our nature to destroy ourselves. it still applies to something like climate change where we have executives of major corporations knowing about the issue for decades and purposely making the public stupid about the issue so they welcome their own demise. like chomsky said, the republican party is the most dangerous organization to ever exist since the nazis' aim wasn't to destroy all of mankind. and that's why partly why i can't stand the sequels (besides them being terrible to mediocre films) - the second movie ends on a note of hope. Groovelord Neato fucked around with this message at 14:51 on Aug 1, 2019 |
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Aug 1, 2019 14:48
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Yeah, I think anything like that has to hit on universal themes too. Like the dalek example is a thing people are still using and liking 80 years past any little british kid was sitting around during a blitz making up some mish mash fear of a german tank coming in their house and yelling mean things to them in a harsh voice. But it seems like that sort of genuine fear probably was important to the longevity of them as an iconic villain. Like terminator so specifically being the inevitability of nuclear war specifically being a foreign man who is coming to your house and needs to kill your children. And like no terminator since the first two being resonant to anyone because the terminators aren't anything MORE anymore. They are valid sci-fi stories but like, no one is getting anything out of a secret robot who needs a heart transplant or time travel nanobot adventures disconnected to anything. Like I bet someone could make a terminator climate change movie, that was more than just a smog monster terminator. Some like, "why do the companies keep making these!! we know this is going to kill us all! stop making all these robot skeletons! we 100% saw the future and know they kill us! stop! come on! no, don't call it skynet! come on! we have photos right here of them turning into killer robots in 80 years! just stop making them!" like an open public build up of skynet and terminators that everyone knows with certainty ends the human race and a refusal to just stop making them.
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Re: Meatbag weapons I actually think Skynet would logically fear loving with the butterfly effect a little too much. Sending a bag of future weapons into the past would have massive ramifications just way out of whack with anything predictable. Skynet's goal was self-preservation, not literally loving with everything just because. In contrast, an autonomous Terminator could fulfill its mission and then properly terminate itself completely leaving 0 traces of its tech.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Man, thinking about it, thinking about "why not just send a nuclear bomb wrapped in meat", terminator feels like it fell apart once the cold war ended and no one had the same sort of nuclear war fear to tap into. Something like that wouldn't work from the text, though. Cyberdyne is developing SkyNet in Los Angeles, so sending a nuke back (assuming Skynet even has any usable nukes left after the war) would be suicidal.
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Groovelord Neato posted:the terminator definitely grew out of the cold war but what's always stuck with me since i was a kid and fell in love with the first two films was that it's more about our inhumanity towards each other in general. and it's not even subtext - you have the scene where they see the two kids play fighting and john asks the terminator "we're not going to make it, are we? humans i mean." and the terminator says it's on our nature to destroy ourselves. it still applies to something like climate change where we have executives of major corporations knowing about the issue for decades and purposely making the public stupid about the issue so they welcome their own demise. Terminator Salvation is literally about a Skynet that has allied itself with the richest humans, Elysium-style. The question is what you mean by hope, because while Cyberdyne is (sort-of) defeated at the end of T2, what happens next? Why are there still liquid-metal killbots in the future? This is explored in the alternate ending of T2, and in Terminator 5. Like, ok, John Connor becomes a liberal senator or 'green' philanthropist CEO. The Genesis operating system isn't being made for profit; that would be vulgar. John is trying to save humanity and bring peace on Earth, the only way he knows how. And if that means an army of liquid-metal killbots, so be it.
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Aug 1, 2019 16:24
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shut the gently caress up.
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Groovelord Neato posted:shut the gently caress up.  Top image: Utopian future-Washington during Senator J. Connor's 'commonsense revolution'. Liquid-metal dudes are being manufactured in the background. Bottom image: ORACLE corporate HQ, aka Cyberdyne. Home of the "Genisys" OS and the liquid-metal production plant in Terminator 5. SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 16:55 on Aug 1, 2019 |
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Aug 1, 2019 16:52
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that scene was cut from the film.
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Groovelord Neato posted:that scene was cut from the film. Yet we've all seen it. It's a possible outcome, depending on how you define hope. "There is no fate but what we make for ourselves", means there WILL be liquid-metal dudes (as we see in T2, they already exist) but we can change the conditions under which they are constructed. In Terminator 5, Skynet HQ goes from a bunker in a blasted hellscape, under perpetual nightfall, to a shiny San Fransisco office building with trees and a pond. Skynet itself is even rebranded as Genisys. There has been progress - but not enough. It's still bad.
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Aug 1, 2019 17:05
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the film as released did not contain the scene i will not accept this expanded universe drivel.
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Aug 1, 2019 17:08
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Imagine responding to SuperMechagodzilla posts multiple times in 2019. The future is not set.
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Aug 1, 2019 17:26
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Neo Rasa posted:Imagine responding to SuperMechagodzilla posts multiple times in 2019. The future is not set. it's fun getting him to put in 10 times the effort i do and still be wrong.
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Groovelord Neato posted:the film as released did not contain the scene i will not accept this expanded universe drivel. Ok, so what is your hopeful plan to defeat the liquid-metal men from "the unknown future"? Specifically, how does it differ from the alternate ending of T2, and/or T5? 
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Aug 1, 2019 17:34
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iamsosmrt posted:I could totally see John having an Isildur moment where he's like wait a second, why would I destroy a time machine? Sarah Conner Chronicles touched on this, too, haha.
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iamsosmrt posted:Right, that's how I always understood it. I just mean there's no logical reason to send a lovely T-800 when you have perfectly good T-1000s. It's like if Apple gave some of their top execs iPad Airs when they've already produced Pros. Terminator 2 says that the T-1000 was a prototype. Skynet just basically sent an untested prototype out as part of a last-ditch effort.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Ok, so what is your hopeful plan to defeat the liquid-metal men from "the unknown future"? no more EU bullshit, nerd.
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Groovelord Neato posted:it's fun getting him to put in 10 times the effort i do and still be wrong. Gloating about how much effort other posters put into replies to your shitposts is loving pathetic, dude.
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Anyone know what Edward Furlong looks like today? That's going to be some sad loving image if he looks like poo poo during his cameo. Hell, it'd be some sad implication for John Connor, a man destined to be the hero of mankind for a war and revolution that never comes, letting himself go because there's no fate but what we make.
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There are a bunch of pictures online of him looking chubby and disheveled, but he'll probably clean up fine.
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To be fair the guy is 41 years old, nobody should expect that he's gonna show up looking like an Adonis all the sudden.
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It'd be kinda hosed up if they do that de-aging CGI on him like Sam Jackson in Captain Marvel.
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Let Zack Snyder have him, Furlong will have abs you can grate cheese on in no time.
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Basebf555 posted:To be fair the guy is 41 years old, nobody should expect that he's gonna show up looking like an Adonis all the sudden.
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