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Who do you wish to win the Democratic primaries?
This poll is closed.
Joe Biden, the Inappropriate Toucher 18 1.46%
Bernie Sanders, the Hand Flailer 665 54.11%
Elizabeth Warren, the Plan Maker 319 25.96%
Kamala Harris, the Cop Lord 26 2.12%
Cory Booker, the Super Hero Wannabe 5 0.41%
Julian Castro, the Twin 5 0.41%
Kirsten Gillibrand, the Franken Killer 5 0.41%
Pete Buttigieg, the Troop Sociopath 17 1.38%
Robert Francis O'Rourke, the Fake Latino 3 0.24%
Jay Inslee, the Climate Alarmist 8 0.65%
Marianne Williamson, the Crystal Queen 86 7.00%
Tulsi Gabbard, the Muslim Hater 23 1.87%
Andrew Yang, the $1000 Fool 32 2.60%
Eric Swalwell, the Insurance Wife Guy 2 0.16%
Amy Klobuchar, the Comb Enthusiast 1 0.08%
Bill de Blasio, the NYPD Most Hated 4 0.33%
Tim Ryan, the Dope Face 3 0.24%
John Hickenlooper, the Also Ran 7 0.57%
Total: 1229 votes
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VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

Putin mind-controlled Robby Mook into ordering buses full of volunteers heading to Michigan to save the Clinton campaign at the last moment to turn around because the Brooklyn computer calculated that not campaigning would trick Trump into not campaigning in the rust belt states where he was already campaigning up a storm.

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Son of Thunderbeast
Sep 21, 2002

LinYutang posted:

instead of an inability to build a substantial coalition.

:hmmyes:



re: the trump tweet, something something broken clocks

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

Biden is clearly not mentally up to the task of being president.

mormonpartyboat
Jan 14, 2015

by Reene

Cerebral Bore posted:

The whole Russia hysteria is about a hundred times more harmful than anything the Russians could potentially do, just so you all know.

the hysteria is the goal of what the russians are doing lol

managed democracy makes poo poo like who wins the election irrelevant

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

Kamala Harris helped frame a man for murder.

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

VitalSigns posted:

Putin mind-controlled Robby Mook into ordering buses full of volunteers heading to Michigan to save the Clinton campaign at the last moment to turn around because the Brooklyn computer calculated that not campaigning would trick Trump into not campaigning in the rust belt states where he was already campaigning up a storm.

the name of that computer that made the algorithm?

Talker

bowser
Apr 7, 2007

Putin must be loving it that he's successfully engineered a situation where regardless of who wins the election there is going to be widespread belief from the other side that it was stolen.

Also,

https://twitter.com/WalkerBragman/status/1157304819922690049?s=19

Lol.

yronic heroism
Oct 31, 2008

LinYutang posted:

Indeed, blaming external actors is a pretty typical way to avoid introspection for one's failures. Like we can already see this with Bernie supporters already priming the narrative that his potential 2020 loss is because of the "establishment," instead of an inability to build a substantial coalition.

:vince:

It is a thousand times worse that a DNC staffer sends an email than anything Russia could do, no, probably ten thousand times worse.

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

Amy Klobuchar is a violent criminal.

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe

Missing something so obvious that even a brain-addled gently caress like Trump could figure it out isn't some kinda badge of honor, hth.

Mahoning
Feb 3, 2007
I mean "Russian bots are pushing a hashtag" and "Kamala Harris is a lovely cop that framed an innocent man and then withheld evidence that would set him free" can both be true and are not mutually exclusive. They are discussions that can both happen in this thread, where there are no Kamala Harris defenders or sore loser Hillary voters.

This isn't Twitter. Thank god.

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

Trabisnikof posted:

Amy Klobuchar is a violent criminal.

it does kinda own that with all the mudslinging everyone just kinda forgot The Klob is a literal violently abusive psychopath. Like, I get it's because she'll never win and all, but it's kinda funny that we're getting 'Bernie was LOUD' and 'Williamson hates medicine' when there's a lady chuckin binders at people just coasting.

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


LinYutang posted:

Indeed, blaming external actors is a pretty typical way to avoid introspection for one's failures. Like we can already see this with Bernie supporters already priming the narrative that his potential 2020 loss is because of the "establishment," instead of an inability to build a substantial coalition.

if he loses he loses, and the democrats lose 2020 anyways so w/e. if they do do something like gently caress him over at the convention thats something else.

Party Plane Jones
Jul 1, 2007

by Reene
Fun Shoe
https://twitter.com/SchreckReports/status/1157266267524542464?s=20

them biden boys are at it again

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

sexpig by night posted:

it does kinda own that with all the mudslinging everyone just kinda forgot The Klob is a literal violently abusive psychopath. Like, I get it's because she'll never win and all, but it's kinda funny that we're getting 'Bernie was LOUD' and 'Williamson hates medicine' when there's a lady chuckin binders at people just coasting.

She said that healthcare and education are impossible, therefore violently abusing her staff is being a kickass #bossbitch

But if she said poor people deserve to live, then her tone of voice would give everyone ptsd

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

I think at this point now that Harris has been thrown in the Mortal Kombat Fatality Pit Biden is the only option on the D side I literally can't ethically vote for that has a chance of winning. Like, every day we get a new story about how we'd be trading a Trump kleptocrat freak who hates everyone not him for...a Biden kleptocrat freak who hates everyone not him.

Mahoning
Feb 3, 2007

Still less slimy than cucking your dead brother, so Hunter's got that going for him.

hobotrashcanfires
Jul 24, 2013

Cerebral Bore posted:

The whole Russia hysteria is about a hundred times more harmful than anything the Russians could potentially do, just so you all know.

One could easily argue that's their main strategy for effectiveness. Incredibly easy to undermine this poo poo when a substantial portion of media and one of two major parties are desperate for a narrative that absolves them from any responsibility for their failures and let's them cling to their only goal of maintaining the collapsing status quo, and keeping that heavy train going for themselves and their friends.

Good luck ever stopping Russian meddling without first acknowledging and addressing the arguably vastly more impactful (and often perfectly legal!) meddling in this system by media, corporations, political operatives and elected officials.

How anyone expects to stop a foreign power we have little to no authority over in their covert and largely ineffective efforts while ignoring the comparably enormous efforts by everyone else who engage in some of the exact same bullshit...

Be mad at Russia sure okay, but maybe be angrier at the myriad powers desperately manipulating every facet of our lives they can to put people in power who will only fight for them and destroy anyone who might challenge that.

Calibanibal
Aug 25, 2015

Bernie stans desperately want to avoid discussiin of Russian meddling. I cant fathom why

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

Mahoning posted:

Still less slimy than cucking your dead brother, so Hunter's got that going for him.

I still sometimes think of that Calibanibal post about how Biden's such a friend of Israel he made his son practice yibbum and laugh. Literally one of the only good posts in this entire thread, dare I say forum.

mormonpartyboat
Jan 14, 2015

by Reene

hobotrashcanfires posted:

One could easily argue that's their main strategy for effectiveness. Incredibly easy to undermine this poo poo when a substantial portion of media and one of two major parties are desperate for a narrative that absolves them from any responsibility for their failures and let's them cling to their only goal of maintaining the collapsing status quo, and keeping that heavy train going for themselves and their friends.

it's not a "could argue" situation, it's exactly what they do

https://medium.com/@resnikoff/phantasmagoria-3beac7fe516d

it owns

Oh Snapple!
Dec 27, 2005

Yeah the American media causes far more harm than Russia could ever dream of doing all on it's own, combine with the overall corporate corruption that has seeped to the foundations of pretty much every domestic institution and yelling about Russia just marks someone as an idiot or collaborator.

yronic heroism
Oct 31, 2008

hobotrashcanfires posted:

One could easily argue that's their main strategy for effectiveness. Incredibly easy to undermine this poo poo when a substantial portion of media and one of two major parties are desperate for a narrative that absolves them from any responsibility for their failures and let's them cling to their only goal of maintaining the collapsing status quo, and keeping that heavy train going for themselves and their friends.

Good luck ever stopping Russian meddling without first acknowledging and addressing the arguably vastly more impactful (and often perfectly legal!) meddling in this system by media, corporations, political operatives and elected officials.

How anyone expects to stop a foreign power we have little to no authority over in their covert and largely ineffective efforts while ignoring the comparably enormous efforts by everyone else who engage in some of the exact same bullshit...

Be mad at Russia sure okay, but maybe be angrier at the myriad powers desperately manipulating every facet of our lives they can to put people in power who will only fight for them and destroy anyone who might challenge that.

Last I checked the vast majority of political discussion is about other issues, even in our hellscape Democratic primary debates. So it’s a strawman to say Russia is discussed to the exclusion of all else.

Harminoff
Oct 24, 2005

👽
https://twitter.com/AndrewYang/status/1157106371533389825?s=20


Crazy.

hobotrashcanfires
Jul 24, 2013

mormonpartyboat posted:

it's not a "could argue" situation, it's exactly what they do

https://medium.com/@resnikoff/phantasmagoria-3beac7fe516d

it owns

But of course! Its a big one of our tools we've been more than happy to use against other nations for decades. And there's little question of who's one of the chief architects of utilizing the internet for such purposes.

yronic heroism posted:

Last I checked the vast majority of political discussion is about other issues, even in our hellscape Democratic primary debates. So it’s a strawman to say Russia is discussed to the exclusion of all else.

Perhaps you could direct me to where I said that.

Even better make one single post that isn't completely loving worthless.

hobotrashcanfires fucked around with this message at 16:46 on Aug 2, 2019

UP AND ADAM
Jan 24, 2007

by Pragmatica

twice burned ice posted:

Lmao this is literally a Trump talking point

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1093871865246961666

Good lord there's some terrible loving posting going on this morning

Yeah, he's right

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

UP AND ADAM posted:

Yeah, he's right

like, do people not realize what a gift to trump this poo poo is? He's done SO MUCH impeachable bullshit but blowing our wad on 'ah...but Russia????' is insane. It'd be like if during watergate dems were obsessed that Nixon was a secret Chinese agent or something.

twice burned ice
Dec 29, 2008

My stove defies the laws of physics!

Cerebral Bore posted:

Missing something so obvious that even a brain-addled gently caress like Trump could figure it out isn't some kinda badge of honor, hth.


You're right; ensuring free and fair elections is something so stupid that only a lib could care about it.


The US has meddled in foreign elections (and is wholly deserving of criticism for it), but to be upset about that requires valuing a fair election process.

So either

a) Your care about the US meddling in other elections is just for appearances so you can poo poo on the US

b) You don't care about meddling in US elections because the US 'deserves' it

c) You think the disruption of US elections by Russia, a country known for its progressive social stances and its recent support for leftist progressives, is a good thing

Oh Snapple! posted:

Yeah the American media causes far more harm than Russia could ever dream of doing all on it's own, combine with the overall corporate corruption that has seeped to the foundations of pretty much every domestic institution and yelling about Russia just marks someone as an idiot or collaborator.

Stunningly, it is possible to care about multiple things at once.

You're genuinely arguing that it's unimportant to secure elections from foreign influence because corporate influence exists?

Phi230
Feb 2, 2016

by Fluffdaddy

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

This is such a weak-rear end deflection. You just now pointed out that it's bad that "state actors like Israel" interfere with our elections, but if someone kramered into this thread with a hot take about how that post was anti-semitic, you'd have a meltdown at them (justifiably, because they'd be ridiculous).

What the gently caress are you talking about

yronic heroism
Oct 31, 2008


Just tithe in advance from those sweet Yang bux.

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

twice burned ice posted:

You're right; ensuring free and fair elections is something so stupid that only a lib could care about it.


The US has meddled in foreign elections (and is wholly deserving of criticism for it), but to be upset about that requires valuing a fair election process.

So either

a) Your care about the US meddling in other elections is just for appearances so you can poo poo on the US

b) You don't care about meddling in US elections because the US 'deserves' it

c) You think the disruption of US elections by Russia, a country known for its progressive social stances and its recent support for leftist progressives, is a good thing


Stunningly, it is possible to care about multiple things at once.

You're genuinely arguing that it's unimportant to secure elections from foreign influence because corporate influence exists?

What does this have to do with the primary again?

Phi230
Feb 2, 2016

by Fluffdaddy

Trabisnikof posted:

What does this have to do with the primary again?

dems and shitlibs like the OP are using russia hysteria to browbeat their political opponents and silence dissent

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

Trabisnikof posted:

What does this have to do with the primary again?

I mean to be fair the russia hysteria is literally infecting the primary so

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe

twice burned ice posted:

You're right; ensuring free and fair elections is something so stupid that only a lib could care about it.

Cool, but that's not why the Dems are yelling about Russia.

UP AND ADAM
Jan 24, 2007

by Pragmatica
What else is new

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

yronic heroism posted:

Last I checked the vast majority of political discussion is about other issues, even in our hellscape Democratic primary debates. So it’s a strawman to say Russia is discussed to the exclusion of all else.

Not for lack of trying.

mormonpartyboat
Jan 14, 2015

by Reene

hobotrashcanfires posted:

But of course! Its a big one of our tools we've been more than happy to use against other nations for decades. And there's little question of who's one of the chief architects of utilizing the internet for such purposes.

its drew curtis

Yeowch!!! My Balls!!!
May 31, 2006

yronic heroism posted:

Last I checked the vast majority of political discussion is about other issues, even in our hellscape Democratic primary debates. So it’s a strawman to say Russia is discussed to the exclusion of all else.

sure is the only defense Kamala's been able to come up with for "you threw kids in jail for something you giggled about doing yourself"

Condiv
May 7, 2008

Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
a mod


can the russia chat go to the conspiracy theory thread where it belongs?

is speculating about russian influence in the primary (with absolutely zero evidence for said influence) actually conducive to discussing the primaries?

Condiv fucked around with this message at 16:56 on Aug 2, 2019

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yronic heroism
Oct 31, 2008

Phi230 posted:

dems and shitlibs like the OP are using russia hysteria to browbeat their political opponents and silence dissent

Libs are putting poo poo in the mouth of every leftist to muffle their cries. For just 50 cents a day you can provide a leftist with hearty proletarian bread and potatoes instead.

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