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slap me and kiss me posted:Definitely. All components should be colour + icon/shape indicator. Not only is it helpful to those with colour blindness, it adds visual consistency. I'm not colorblind, but I feel pretty strongly about this also. For many, many games, the burden to design around color blindness is absolutely trivial.
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homullus posted:I'm not colorblind, but I feel pretty strongly about this also. For many, many games, the burden to design around color blindness is absolutely trivial. I have had to persuade several managers that, no, red/green stoplights are not a good way to display information, and that blue/orange (with icons) is just as intuitive if they need an alternative color scheme for a simple pass/fail indicator. If you are making a game (or dashboard or whatever) and want to colorblind-test your graphic design, there's a really sweet, free application called Color Oracle that will show you what your design looks like to various types of color blindness. https://colororacle.org/
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Xiahou Dun posted:PS I was was rewatching your ancient Left4Dead LP for some reason, don't ask, and it's still really good! Thank you! drat, thanks, that's made my day! I'm glad it you enjoy it! And yeah, my GM is always quick to ask if I have any legibility issues on any maps or diagrams or tokens he makes and I'm super lucky to have him. Patterns as well as colours are the easiest way to make it be even more readable to everyone, not just colour blind people. I helped with the first colour-blind mode that was put into LoL and a bunch of the readability improvements ended up getting ported to the default setting when a bunch of pros were using colour blind mode because it was so much easier to see a bunch of stuff for them as well cos the curb-cut effect is real. Rand Brittain posted:How do things like the Chuubo icons work out for you? For me they help a lot! When people talk about it online in some places they'll still talk about "yellow" quests or whatever and then I'm lost, but that's just people versus actual official Chuubo stuff being good. dwarf74 posted:If you are making a game (or dashboard or whatever) and want to colorblind-test your graphic design, there's a really sweet, free application called Color Oracle that will show you what your design looks like to various types of color blindness. Color Oracle is SUPER good and really does accurately model the various types of colour blindness, I recommend it to every graphic designer I work with.
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Colorblindness was my first exposure to accessibility back in the 90s, when a classmate noticed our teacher discreetly sniffing a marker before using it. He got the scented ones (are those still a big thing in classrooms or just a fad? I always assumed they were marketed to early grades to help kids learn colors or something) so that he could tell them apart. It is frustrating. It's one of those that's quite common but is low-enough impact in most things that someone asking for accommodation when it *is* necessary sounds excessive. Particularly when you have folks who get invested in a design before they should so changing that impedes their "artistic vision". We can identify pretty easily with low or no vision, but altered vision hits some sort of empathy gap. Bruceski fucked around with this message at 23:30 on Aug 1, 2019 |
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This 2015 article from Disability Studies Quarterly is focused on video games, but I think is useful as an overview designers and publishers of other digital media including games and electronic documents: http://dsq-sds.org/article/view/4513/3833 It includes an overview of the legal status (tl;dr, with the exception of communications channels within games, there's no standard or legal requirement to make games accessible, unfortunately), an explanation of why accessibility in games matters, the state of accessibility in then-current games, and perhaps most usefully, an extensive references section with links to a bunch of other resources and info on accessibility in (computer) games. The DOJ (which for some reason is the dept that manages the ADA standards) has a resource on software accessibility: https://www.justice.gov/crt/software-accessibility-checklist You can use basic reasoning to adapt many of the items on the checklist to games. For example: quote:23. Does the software ensure that color-coding is never used as the only means of conveying information or indicating an action? quote:20. Is the software application free of patterned backgrounds used behind text or important graphics? In my experience, when you bring up accessibility for the sight-impaired, the first thing designers tend to think of is accessibility for the completely blind; but most visually impaired people have at least some vision, and prefer to access your graphics and visual elements directly if they can. Avoiding issues of contrast, overlapping patterns, and providing options to do things like increase text size. For example, in PDFs the user can zoom in the page with most readers... but if you have text in your graphics, and the graphics themselves are not embedded at high resolution (e.g. print-res, 300-600dpi or better), it may be impossible for a sight-impaired reader to zoom in and see legible text in a large size on their screen. Merely providing alt-text for screen readers is insufficient to serve the entire range of sight-impaired people, because using a screen reader is awkward and slow, and not preferred for people with some vision who can otherwise manage by zooming in or increasing font sizing on their displays. Similarly, some readers can replace or switch between a few font choices; but please go ahead and don't use crazily ornate barely-readable display fonts for all your game's titles and headings anyway, because that just creates an additional obstacle and step for accessibility. You can use other artistic elements to express the flavor you wanted to convey on the pages of your game book without creating barriers to comprehension for a portion of your customers. Of course, there are limits to what is practical. You may be able to easily use graphical elements to make red and green icons or indicators visually distinct, but adding a physical braille component to all your board game's components may be too expensive or difficult. Generally, the intent of accessibility guidelines is that you should make a good effort and reasonable expense to make your products accessible, and I think it's the case that even indie game developers who have very limited resources can do some pretty straightforward things. Leperflesh fucked around with this message at 23:31 on Aug 1, 2019 |
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I yearn for the day when all devs put an option in to increase the size of the cursor. My field of view is drastically limited and small cursors have me spinning the mouse around hoping I can glimpse movement to find out where the fucker is.
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EthanSteele posted:drat, thanks, that's made my day! I'm glad it you enjoy it! Dude, my sister and I watched all of those together and we still have a bunch of dumb in-jokes based around it. I was rewatching it cause I've been going through some stuff and you and baldurk dragging cknoor and Blister across the finish line every single time (then shooting them) stills make me smile. If nothing else in your life, you have made a goon and his little sister double-over in laughter many dozens of times and given them some warm, nostalgic memories. quote:
Are you also colorblind, and if so what type? And it sounds like you actually work with graphics? I'd love to know more about it, if you don't mind elaborating. On the one hand I bet that can be troubling, but I'm also thinking back to when I first learned Photoshop and how I kind of felt comfortable with colors for the first : I don't know need to see anything! I can just do this with math! And if I mess up I can just get a random photo and pipette tool the color in and it'll work out. My weird broken eyes don't matter anymore for once! (Sorry I made this all about color-blindness. I didn't mean to hijack the thread, and as I said it's a pretty minor issue ; it's just such a needless issue that it baffles me why it should be a concern. It's like if everything was always on really high shelves because we just ignored everyone under 5'6".) Also I ain't never played Chuubo's or read it (mostly cause I don't think I could get it to the table ; I'm into it but I don't know about any of my friends), does it do something super interesting with its icons?
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It does uh... something with its icons. I am sure it does something because they are used a lot. I just couldn't tell you exactly what it's doing with those icons and what if anything they are supposed to do. (Also they have symbols, not just colors, so I think it's a bad example regardless.)
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homullus posted:I'm not colorblind, but I feel pretty strongly about this also. For many, many games, the burden to design around color blindness is absolutely trivial. Ya. Not colourblind either, but it seems like a no-brainer in design and layout.
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slap me and kiss me posted:Ya. Not colourblind either, but it seems like a no-brainer in design and layout. You'd think that. Like, really. It's very obvious. But no. Another poster nailed it right on the head when they said it was annoying enough to mess with people but not enough to make anyone care. Unlike things like racism and sexism it's totally trivial to fix (red and green traffic lights? Really? Do you know how many times I've driven and had to ask if a light was blinking red or orange?), but no one does it.
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HopperUK posted:I yearn for the day when all devs put an option in to increase the size of the cursor. My field of view is drastically limited and small cursors have me spinning the mouse around hoping I can glimpse movement to find out where the fucker is. You're may already be aware of this but what the hell, I've been reading this thread for a couple months and want to contribute: if you're running windows you can set the CTRL key to pop up a little retracting circle around the mouse cursor which might help you find it. Or may not! Sure hope it's useful though. Here's a link to a how-to site which shows how to do it and doesn't seem too shady.
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There's a serious problem with text size in modern games too, a lot of the time it's criminally tiny and can't be adjusted at all. You'd think console-only games wouldn't have this issue but they totally do.
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Lurdiak posted:There's a serious problem with text size in modern games too, a lot of the time it's criminally tiny and can't be adjusted at all. You'd think console-only games wouldn't have this issue but they totally do. This kills me. I can fiddle most websites or pdfs to be larger, but games? Might as well be on the hunt for Brigadoon. Windows has a pile of interesting tools but the magnifier, ironically, blocks so much else out in games, that it ends up being somehow worse than nothing at all quite often.
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Grand Prize Winner posted:You're may already be aware of this but what the hell, I've been reading this thread for a couple months and want to contribute: if you're running windows you can set the CTRL key to pop up a little retracting circle around the mouse cursor which might help you find it. Or may not! Sure hope it's useful though. This is nifty! Thank you. Now to argue with the people at work that I need it there.
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Xiahou Dun posted:Are you also colorblind, and if so what type? And it sounds like you actually work with graphics? I'd love to know more about it, if you don't mind elaborating. Yup, I am colour blind, deuteranopia (the type of that where some cones are missing) and then a mix up at the brain end of things as well meaning that colours near each other mess me up too. And nah, I don't work with graphics, I just know a lot of people that do for some reason and they ask me for input or pass on my details to whoever is working on relevant stuff because apparently having literally one colourblind person to check if a thing is ok or not is a novel luxury in a lot of places.
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https://twitter.com/danielhkwan/status/1156937037888532480?s=09 And yes, the noted pants shitter is trying to get his followers to report this tweet for harrassment.
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Xiahou Dun posted:Another poster nailed it right on the head when they said it was annoying enough to mess with people but not enough to make anyone care. Unlike things like racism and sexism it's totally trivial to fix (red and green traffic lights? Really? Do you know how many times I've driven and had to ask if a light was blinking red or orange?), but no one does it. Once something's established there's a lot of momentum difficulty to changing it, which is why it's important to bring up accessibility early before "we had a reason to do it this way, must have been a good one" rationalization can set in. People are getting better at that, but it's a good place to push. To use a not exactly related analogy, commenting your code while you write it is a LOT easier than going back and doing so afterward, as I've learned the hard way.
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https://twitter.com/Ettin64/status/1157290984125788161
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https://twitter.com/FreyjaErlings/status/1157125840532119553 So this was in the replies to the Gencon tweet above. Anyone know more about this? Might be old news for all I know, but it's the first I've heard about it.
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Comrade Koba posted:So this was in the replies to the Gencon tweet above. Anyone know more about this? Might be old news for all I know, but it's the first I've heard about it. YMMV on the site I'm about to link but the exact comment I'm linking to contains the most info I've seen about this. The article it links to has either been moved or no longer exists. Enjoy...?
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Flail Snail posted:YMMV on the site I'm about to link but the exact comment I'm linking to contains the most info I've seen about this. The article it links to has either been moved or no longer exists. That thread certainly took a turn at the very end.
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PinheadSlim posted:That thread certainly took a turn at the very end. Unsurprisingly, when you attack one of "their" people, the crowd turns on you very quickly. Also TheRPGSite is generally poo poo. There's like 1 good thread where Benoist makes a megadungeon.
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Wow. I kinda wish I'd've read more of that thread before posting so I could maybe not post it. Still, it's pretty much the only snippet of the linked article that exists on the internet now.
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https://twitter.com/GreenRoninPub/status/1157399602716454912 So, Green Robin is the place that hasn't published a timeline they promised about harassment policies, iirc? But I know nothing else about them. E: also 'Fifth Season RPG' should be a specialized storygame designed for stories of slavery and rebellion and devastating losses of control, what style of games do GR produce?
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Joe Slowboat posted:E: also 'Fifth Season RPG' should be a specialized storygame designed for stories of slavery and rebellion and devastating losses of control, what style of games do GR produce? D&D-alikes, by and large. e; that's slightly reductive, but most of Green Ronin's historical output has been stuff compatible with or based around D&D/d20 systems with their latest home system, AGE, not being d20 but also not straying too far from your typical swords and spells and adventurers paradigm either. They definitely do not have an abundance of specialized storygames, so I wouldn't get your hopes up in that respect.
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They also do the Song of Fire and Ice RPG : Game of Thrones edition. I always wanted to get into it but every time I tried it just wasn't fun, couldn't pin an exact reason why though so it's probably my fault.
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PinheadSlim posted:They also do the Song of Fire and Ice RPG : Game of Thrones edition. I always wanted to get into it but every time I tried it just wasn't fun, couldn't pin an exact reason why though so it's probably my fault. There's a lot of stuff I like about it from a "it makes sense why you went this way" perspective but it's pretty bogged down and combat is garbage. Fun fact, check the author.
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Ennies winners. Looks like Chaosium got the most clicky people to click the things. 2020 Judges Rachel Campbell Chris Gath Shawna Ratliff Guy Sclanders James Sura Best Adventure GOLD: Masks of Nyarlathotep (Chaosium Inc.) SILVER: Mothership: Dead Planet (Tuesday Knight Games) Best Aid/Accessory – Digital GOLD: World Anvil Grandmaster Tier Worldbuilding & Campaign Management Platform SILVER: DUNGEONFOG—Online Map Maker & Authoring Tool Best Aid/Accessory – Non-Digital GOLD: Masks of Nyarlathotep Gamer Prop Set (H.P. Lovecraft Historical Society) SILVER: Dwarven Forge’s Dungeon of Doom Modular Terrain (Dwarven Forge) Best Art, Cover GOLD: Call of Cthulhu – Terror Australis 2E (Chaosium Inc.) SILVER: KULT: Divinity Lost, 4th Edition (Helmgast AB) Best Art, Interior GOLD: RuneQuest: Roleplaying in Glorantha Slipcase (Chaosium Inc.) SILVER: Symbaroum Monster Codex (Free League Publishing) Best Cartography GOLD: Forbidden Lands (Free League Publishing) SILVER: A New Map of Hot Springs Island (Swordfish Islands) Best Electronic Book GOLD: Sly Flourish’s Return of the Lazy Dungeon Master (Last Word Audio) SILVER: Fear’s Sharp Little Needles (Stygian Fox Publishing) Best Family Game / Product GOLD: Kids on Bikes (Renegade Game Studios/Hunters Entertainment) SILVER: Dinosaur Princesses (Ardens Ludere) Best Free Game / Product GOLD: Ironsworn (Shawn Tomkin) SILVER: The Ultraviolet Grasslands (Hydra Cooperative) Best Game GOLD: Mothership: Player’s Survival Guide (Tuesday Knight Games) SILVER: Dialect: A Game about Language and How it Dies (Thorny Games) Best Layout and Design GOLD: Symbaroum Monster Codex (Free League Publishing) SILVER: The Black Hack 2nd Edition (Squarehex) Best Monster/Adversary GOLD: Sandy Petersen’s Cthulhu Mythos for 5E (Petersen Games) SILVER: Creature Codex for 5th Edition (Kobold Press) Best Online Content GOLD: Seth Skorkowsky SILVER: The Alexandrian Best Organized Play GOLD: Cypher Play Numenera Season 18-2: Building Amber (Monte Cook Games) SILVER: Minsc and Boo’s Guide to Stuff and Things (Greg Marks) Best Podcast GOLD: Ken and Robin Talk About Stuff SILVER: Red Moon Roleplaying Best Production Values GOLD: Forbidden Lands (Free League Publishing) SILVER: Invisible Sun Black Box (Monte Cook Games) Best RPG Related Product GOLD: Dark Adventure Radio Theatre: Masks of Nyarlathotep (H.P. Lovecraft Historical Society) SILVER: Miskatonic University: Restricted Collection (Chaosium Inc.) Best Rules GOLD: Call of Cthulhu Starter Set (Chaosium Inc.) SILVER: Forbidden Lands (Free League Publishing) Best Setting GOLD: The Fall of DELTA GREEN (Pelgrane Press) SILVER: Call of Cthulhu – Terror Australis 2e (Chaosium Inc.) Best Supplement GOLD: The Glorantha Sourcebook (Chaosium Inc.) SILVER: The 7th Ed. Guide to Cthulhu Invictus (Golden Goblin Press) Best Writing GOLD: Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay Core Rulebook (Cubicle Seven) SILVER: KULT: Divinity Lost, 4th Edition (Helmgast AB) Product of the Year GOLD: Masks of Nyarlathotep Gamer Prop Set (H.P. Lovecraft Historical Society) SILVER: Forbidden Lands (Free League Publishing) Fan’s Choice, Best Publisher Chaosium Inc.
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Toshimo posted:Most of Minsc and Boo's is incompatible with OP. How did it even qualify? I'm more stupefied that Numenera has organized play
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01011001 posted:Fun fact, check the author. While reading his wikipedia page I discovered he wrote a freaking Black Company campaign setting for D20 systems. It's pretty rare now so fat chance I'll get to read it 
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PinheadSlim posted:While reading his wikipedia page I discovered he wrote a freaking Black Company campaign setting for D20 systems. It's pretty rare now so fat chance I'll get to read it The one I want is Dragon's Secret by Jennell Jaquays. She took it down because she doesn't want to support frog god, which I totally get, but I can't even find a PDF.
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Reene posted:Interesting that Lancer didn't make the list anywhere. Unless I missed something it was only nominated for the Fan's Choice/Favorite Publisher, so it looks like it lost to Chaosium. If it doesn't snag an award for best interior art next year, then something's up because goddamn is that game shaping up to be an unreasonably good-looking book.
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PST posted:Best Writing Having read the F&F for this, just... 
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Comrade Koba posted:Having read the F&F for this, just... This is what it was up against: Best Writing quote:Liminal, Wordplay Games It was certainly a more diverse year for nominations, but Chaosium swept the board so completely they must have had a really effective campaign for getting people to do the clicking.
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Kai Tave posted:Unless I missed something it was only nominated for the Fan's Choice/Favorite Publisher, so it looks like it lost to Chaosium. If it doesn't snag an award for best interior art next year, then something's up because goddamn is that game shaping up to be an unreasonably good-looking book. Huh, that is weird. I assumed it just didn't get nominated because it isn't fully released yet, but it being in one catagory disproves that. I am glad to see that Forbidden Lands won best production values. I guess having a plastic hand in your impenetrable 100 dollar box can only take you so far.
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Darwinism posted:I'm more stupefied that Numenera has organized play For $200 a year Monte Cook will mail you newspaper clippings, an assortment of matchbooks from defunct restaurants, polaroids of strangers and bespoke red string from the home of a conspiracy theorist that vanished mysteriously. The box itself smells vaguely of farts.
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