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I have no idea what their motivations are, but they've managed to get the entire convention pissed off, even if some people don't know who/why. And I'm not typing up all the context for the poo poo they pulled because I'm loving exhausted and I'm trying to get my act together to get to the floor. [Edit: again, anyone who wants to can watch the convention. It's being live streamed and recorded. I posted the links . About the only thing you won't see is the context of folks just camping the mics regardless of what's being discussed.] Internet Explorer has issued a correction as of 13:10 on Aug 3, 2019 |
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Also we were warned that there's going to be significant fascist presence today, so anyone here be careful, especially if you're leaving the hotel. ~~~
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Internet Explorer posted:I have no idea what their motivations are, but they've managed to get the entire convention pissed off, even if some people don't know who/why. And I'm not typing up all the context for the poo poo they pulled because I'm loving exhausted and I'm trying to get my act together to get to the floor. Very convincing, thanks. I'll vote with this vague rear end poo poo in mind.
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GunnerJ posted:Very convincing, thanks. I'll vote with this vague rear end poo poo in mind. You should vote however you want to vote. I'm not trying to convince anyone here. I have heard that they are planning on voting to suspend the rules today to vote on the restoritive justice ammendment, which got hosed because national added an extra 0 and said it was going to cost 60, 000 instead of 6,000. National even acknowledged it was wrong but didn't fix. If they do that then I'm all for it. I'm just saying yesterday was a poo poo show and it wasn't all in good faith.
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I agree, the time wasting motion to amend the agenda seemed in pretty bad faith. Sucks that someone decided to do that and that they'll waste more time to vote to suspend the rules later.
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please (don’t) clap - DSAcon19
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Larry Parrish posted:various communities such as: retarded white person Twitter where reality becomes so distorted it's possible to leverage my mild tinnitus and ethnic last name into writing my bio as Disabled PoC Comrade, Stop signing your posts
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can stupidpol please stop loving leaking their poo poo into here
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Confirming with all my comrades (they exist I swear) that national funking sucks!
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the huge procedural traffic jam yesterday was a roundabout way to reduce Pass the Hat’s odds of passing by shuffling amendment order around so i’m not sure Build is properly to blame here
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Oh no Build stood up and did a parliamentarian clapback which is all they could do in Robert's Rules since it's a lovely system. Clearly they are actually the wreckers LSC had been portrayed as for the last year. Everyone dogpile on the zine dorks for their dumb "not a caucus" poo poo and give a free pass to the Jacobin crowd for doing the same thing. 
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Aug 3, 2019 15:03
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So much better this morning. Such a breath of fresh air.
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look at all these losers whose favorite caucus is not socialist majority
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Gonna rule when all the salt from the convention will come from people who wernt there lmao
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Announcing the Huge Winners Caucus
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Sounds like you guys need a mlm caucus to combat liberalism.
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every conference or convention that has ever been held on the face of the earth has asked its participants not to clap or to hold their applause to the end and no one has ever actually done it
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Crowsbeak posted:Sounds like you guys need a mlm caucus to combat liberalism. Arpwel is the current End Stage Capitalism Boss were all trying to fight in this horrible RPG with all these bad NPCs
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I know from experience in Philly DSA that if leadership is manipulating meeting and debate procedure to produce a desired outcome, it becomes very difficult to contest that without looking like a petty obstructionist troll to anyone unversed in the underlying conflicts. which is clearly a healthy dynamic so I can’t really fault Internet Explorer for perceiving Build as trolls even if I’m unconvinced that’s what’s actually happening
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Siljmonster posted:Arpwel is the current End Stage Capitalism Boss were all trying to fight in this horrible RPG with all these bad NPCs interesting
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The Ghoul posted:Oh no Build stood up and did a parliamentarian clapback which is all they could do in Robert's Rules since it's a lovely system. the thing that rules is that Build is doing what national should be doing: running useful trainings, doing infastructural reports on what different chapters are up to and building connections across chapters, all with the only resource they have being an email list stolen from Socialist Majority.
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I don’t know Arpwel but the fixation on him is super loving creepy
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apropos to nothing posted:every conference or convention that has ever been held on the face of the earth has asked its participants not to clap or to hold their applause to the end and no one has ever actually done it yeah. clapping is disruptive and slows everything down but i am digging how clapping rights is a hill to die on
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from my own experiences and what ive heard from a lot of other people, it sounds like DSA gets bogged down in procedural stuff and so procedural issues end up being the battleground for a lot of political debates. problem is because they are fought as issues of procedure, theres never really anything clarifying politically about the debate. i think a good example is how the debate around centralism vs. decentralization of the organization has basically become a proxy political debate for more social democratic politics vs. more anarchist/maoist politics. you can have a strong national organization that is not social democratic but the current leadership focused around jacobin are more or less social democrats so the debate is framed as a priority between local vs national instead of a political debate about who should lead the organization and what kind of politics should it hold
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apropos to nothing posted:from my own experiences and what ive heard from a lot of other people, it sounds like DSA gets bogged down in procedural stuff and so procedural issues end up being the battleground for a lot of political debates. problem is because they are fought as issues of procedure, theres never really anything clarifying politically about the debate. i think a good example is how the debate around centralism vs. decentralization of the organization has basically become a proxy political debate for more social democratic politics vs. more anarchist/maoist politics. you can have a strong national organization that is not social democratic but the current leadership focused around jacobin are more or less social democrats so the debate is framed as a priority between local vs national instead of a political debate about who should lead the organization and what kind of politics should it hold Local vs National is a debate about who should lead the organization you goober.
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Unbelievably Fat Man posted:the thing that rules is that Build is doing what national should be doing: running useful trainings, doing infastructural reports on what different chapters are up to and building connections across chapters, all with the only resource they have being an email list stolen from Socialist Majority. it was very funny when the Build leadership leaked member info and pretended someone else did it. Nationals should do that too.
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They weren't posting it on darkweb sites they were harvesting information to use for their own internal purposes.
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Who brings beer to a breakout at a political event? Did the E1 guy who's in DSA go to the conference in-character?
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The Ghoul posted:Local vs National is a debate about who should lead the organization you goober. not really since if you argue locals should do whatever they want then youre basically arguing that chapters can and should be run completely differently and even have wildly different politics from one another. at that point what good is a national organization if you cant agree on basic political principles? a relevant example from last year, should cynthia nixon get an endorsement? who should decide that, the local chapters or the national? again, if the focus is solely on "the locals get to decide vs national makes the decision" and thats where the argument ends then it ignores the political questions of what are cynthia nixons politics and should the DSA endorse her?
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Yup. NPC voting is going to be bedlam and it doesn't start until much later.
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Internet Explorer posted:Yup. NPC voting is going to be bedlam and it doesn't start until much later. rooting for my peeps
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Internet Explorer posted:Also we were warned that there's going to be significant fascist presence today, so anyone here be careful, especially if you're leaving the hotel. ~~~ Only saw maybe six people with Trump/Pence signs on a corner outside
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