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Ken Bone Comeback posted:You should go be as blunt as you can that it is not Jesus or Santa Claus and has nothing to do with anything anybody "believes" He's still upset about an argument he got in with another guy, who honestly is an rear end in a top hat but that's beside the point, about universal healthcare. He lost bad, but keeps talking about how he "triggered" the other guy.
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I honestly blame public education for some of it. But only because in elementary school, we were taught that there's theories and laws and only the laws are universally true. Now, of course in middle school and high school you were taught that no, theories like the theory of evolution are not up for interpretation; or at least not the kind of interpretation that would allow a debate on fundamental levels. But if you were outside of a good, well funded public school district before NCLB came around or your science programs were a joke you never learned that critical second part. Or you did, but you never remembered or retained it because you never paid attention since it was high school. This is of course one of many things that could contribute to this mindset, but I've personally had to deal with 'if it was really true it would be a law' on several occasions and that was the root cause of it.
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A friend of mine brought up the point that we should be making public K-12 education funding more of a national issue since it's generally a local/state one, and I kind of agree with him.
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The paper in my hometown got bought out by Forum Communications about 10 years ago and has been going downhill ever since. In Earth Day the main opinion column they chose to run was from some Heritage Foundation clown who wanted to talk about all the environmentalist "claims" that didn't come true because they were fixed with legislation. They're planning to start putting most of their poo poo behind a paywall in the coming months and I hope it finally kills them.
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colachute posted:A friend of mine brought up the point that we should be making public K-12 education funding more of a national issue since it's generally a local/state one, and I kind of agree with him. It absolutely should be. It won't, but it should be. There is so much institutional racism that lives on the back of locally funded education it's loving ludicrous.
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Aug 3, 2019 16:23
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lovely public education has got to be the root cause of the majority of this country's problems. We're in Idiocracy but without the awful eugenics message.
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Vasudus posted:I honestly blame public education for some of it. But only because in elementary school, we were taught that there's theories and laws and only the laws are universally true. Now, of course in middle school and high school you were taught that no, theories like the theory of evolution are not up for interpretation; or at least not the kind of interpretation that would allow a debate on fundamental levels. But if you were outside of a good, well funded public school district before NCLB came around or your science programs were a joke you never learned that critical second part. Or you did, but you never remembered or retained it because you never paid attention since it was high school. It’s nice to tell theory  people that gravity is a theory, and that they should test it out by jumping off a cliff.
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Aug 3, 2019 17:13
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we're talking about a country that a no-poo poo majority still wholeheartedly believe in the concept of angels and a magical sky man who sometimes makes it all ok
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Aug 3, 2019 17:39
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Christianity is dumb on its own. Christianity as practiced by millions of Americans is considerably worse.
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FrozenVent posted:
This hit SO loving HARD. Edit: Filename = new thread title please?
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Fister Roboto posted:lovely public education has got to be the root cause of the majority of this country's problems. We're in Idiocracy but without the awful eugenics message. Racism is the root cause of lovely public education.
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oh and it's really telling that proper climate discourse right now is between two different schools of thought: the first is that we're megafucked and there's nothing that can stop it the second is that we're only partially megafucked and that the real megafucking is still down the road and there's nothing that can stop it
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I imagine it's a difficult problem to suss out and there almost certainly isn't a single reason why climate change denial is so popular but IIRC the level of higher education doesn't matter. Like, at all. It's about worldview and whether the individual considers themselves a part of something greater or whether they believe that rugged individualist claptrap. I doubt I could find that study and in any case a single study probably isn't a smoking gun on something so complicated
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Yeah there's actual global climate change being caused by industry and humanity as a whole and then on top of that you have localized events from pollution, overfishing/overhunting, clearcutting for livestock, etc. which is ruining local ecosystems independent of the larger global picture. An actual serious, coordinated effort to combat it would be a colossal undertaking. Which is also the reason that nothing will be done because ~shareholder value~ People, politicians, and the media will clump it all together when convenient though and you get idiots screaming about how plastic straws can't possibly be the reason it's so hot out.
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Aug 3, 2019 18:10
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maximally cursed video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oou_wMYjqRk
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Milo and POTUS posted:I imagine it's a difficult problem to suss out and there almost certainly isn't a single reason why climate change denial is so popular but IIRC the level of higher education doesn't matter. Like, at all. It's about worldview and whether the individual considers themselves a part of something greater or whether they believe that rugged individualist claptrap. I doubt I could find that study and in any case a single study probably isn't a smoking gun on something so complicated Many of my science denying coworkers are highly educated, well-off, and have spent decades working with space systems. It’s definitely an issue of propaganda meshing with some broken personal ideology.
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Aug 3, 2019 18:22
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FrozenVent posted:Copy of Thanks_for-service V2 Mike new colour.xlsx.xls Awards\New\Service\2019\Revised\2017\Copy of 2016\Final\Copy of Thanks_for-service V2 Mike new colour.xlsx.xls
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Vasudus posted:People, politicians, and the media will clump it all together when convenient though and you get idiots screaming about how plastic straws can't possibly be the reason it's so hot out.
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Aug 3, 2019 18:25
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 Thanks for giving me a whole new reason to get drunk this weekend guys, appreciate it.
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I love the recurring theme that climate change science is some money grubbing scam cooked up by Al Gore and other liberals Yeah, buddy. Never mind about the globe spanning all powerful oil&gas multinationals. The real money is in being an oceanography grad student
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my favorite is people confusing weather and climate like don't get me wrong folks, i'm a total loving idiot and i can prove that effortlessly however comma you'll never catch me unironically saying that since it's cold out one weekend in september that means climate change is a lie
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Vasudus posted:my favorite is people confusing weather and climate Winter: It's cold right now so global warming isn't real. Summer: Of course it's hot right now, it's summer.
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Most of the ones I run into are of the "First we were all gonna die from acid rain, then we were all gonna die from the hole in the ozone layer, then we were all gonna die from Y2K, it'll go away" mindset.
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I'm just glad Florida will get swallowed first. If only PA had shoreline, that miserable garbage fire of a state can go.
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sharknado slashfic posted:Most of the ones I run into are of the "First we were all gonna die from acid rain, then we were all gonna die from the hole in the ozone layer, then we were all gonna die from Y2K, it'll go away" mindset. All of those things just got better on their own, with no human intervention apparently. Amazing how that just worked out.
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Guys you may have your numbers and your facts but a republican held a snowball in congress in February he had stashed in a freezer overnight so global warming is all a lie. Checkmate LIEbrals
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sharknado slashfic posted:Most of the ones I run into are of the "First we were all gonna die from acid rain, then we were all gonna die from the hole in the ozone layer, then we were all gonna die from Y2K, it'll go away" mindset. People wore masks when walking around in LA within the living memory of boomers yet somehow they still deny that people can have an impact on both the cause and solution. What’s really sad is seeing this mindset in 20-30-somethings.
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:All of those things just got better on their own, with no human intervention apparently. Amazing how that just worked out. "i thank god every day for it, maybe you should try that instead of telling everybody else what kind of lightbulbs they can use  "
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I like asking climate deniers when the last time they saw a lightning bug was, that usually shuts them up for a few seconds.
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Stravag posted:Guys you may have your numbers and your facts but a republican held a snowball in congress in February he had stashed in a freezer overnight so global warming is all a lie. Checkmate LIEbrals I really really hate these loving worthless people
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A Bad Poster posted:I like asking climate deniers when the last time they saw a lightning bug was, that usually shuts them up for a few seconds. They hate insects.
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Doc Hawkins posted:"i thank god every day for it, maybe you should try that instead of telling everybody else what kind of lightbulbs they can use my mother in law bought up every incandescent bulb she could find because no tree hugging hippie is ever going to tell her what she can and cant use
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EBB posted:I'm just glad Florida will get swallowed first. If only PA had shoreline, that miserable garbage fire of a state can go. Mad max but with airboats will look loving amazing if anyone is looking for a silver lining. Southern Georgia won't be safe from raiders
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sharknado slashfic posted:Most of the ones I run into are of the "First we were all gonna die from acid rain, then we were all gonna die from the hole in the ozone layer, then we were all gonna die from Y2K, it'll go away" mindset. Fixed through massive legislation (smog laws, thanks epa) Fixed through massive legislation (banned r12 and R11, phased out others) Fixed through a massive effort to ensure systems met standards. gently caress these people.
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My favorite is the people who are on the bargaining stage of grief, ie it's not going to be THAT bad. My dad's a big fan of saying that people can just move north to Canada and Siberia, which will of course be perfectly hospitable and ready to support billions of people with zero effort.
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Ken Bone Comeback posted:Yeah, buddy. Never mind about the globe spanning all powerful oil&gas multinationals. The real money is in being an oceanography grad student  that was my program before going into a GIS certificate program. 3 graduate-level oceanography courses at the same time is...a bit much, to say the least.A Bad Poster posted:I like asking climate deniers when the last time they saw a lightning bug was, that usually shuts them up for a few seconds. I don't remember the last time I saw one, and now I'm sad
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my go-to questions for climate deniers (which have all been older people): what's the worst that happens if i'm wrong? what's the worst that happens if you're wrong? will you prove your stance by telling your grandkids that it's a risk you're willing to take?
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Investing in resilient, distributed sources of energy ought to be appealing to rugged individualists. Creating massive new industries around renewables ought to make investors salivate. Instead we let the liches in charge of a tiny fraction of our industry dominate us.
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Fallom posted:Investing in resilient, distributed sources of energy ought to be appealing to rugged individualists. Creating massive new industries around renewables ought to make investors salivate. Instead we let the liches in charge of a tiny fraction of our industry dominate us. A lot of those "rugged individualists" have been infected with the idea that fossil fuels are cool and manly, while wind and solar are for effete coastal liberals.
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