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The Oregon District where that shooting happened is absolutely covered in police on a weekend night. Every street corner has a cruiser with two officers minimum. To see the amount of people injured and killed in what apparently only lasted one-minute is horrifying. My buddy and his wife were lucky that they stayed local for her birthday last night, and frankly I am too because I would have been right there with them. rifles fucked around with this message at 14:32 on Aug 4, 2019 |
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It's time we stop pretending that everyone in the GOP just has a different opinion on gun policy and start seriously wondering the extent to which they support the agendas of these right-wing terrorists. https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/1157831724841218049?s=19 I can't wait for Antifa to shoot up the compound of a right-wing militia and for Fox News to start asking whether their should be political background checks on gun sales.
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mlmp08 posted:https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1157973716929826821?s=21 Sounds like there are two american cities left in texas then. Austin and el paso. Milo and POTUS posted:wait what and why Man i dont even know. Guy walks up on me out of my blindspot in the hotel parking lot, knocks on the window from from far enough back he had to stretch to reach it, and starts talking at me with his hand on his gun with "so ah bin follin you fer cup' mayles 'n' ah wan know what you think yer doin aht hur". Never go to colorado city i guess Stravag fucked around with this message at 14:38 on Aug 4, 2019 |
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Aug 4, 2019 14:31
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Texas is just going to kill that kid, aren't they?
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Aug 4, 2019 14:31
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He's 21. If they wanted to save some money, the cops could just push him out the door and he would be torn to shreds.
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Stravag posted:Sounds like there are two american cities left in texas then. Austin and el paso. Austin is full of hippy communist pinko libs. El Paso is Mexico. This has been your daily reminder of what texans think of texas cities.
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Aug 4, 2019 14:41
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CRUSTY MINGE posted:Austin is full of hippy communist pinko libs. All the major cities are blue.
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Aug 4, 2019 14:45
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if a mexican shoots up a public place i wonder how fast we would be allowed to talk about the wall without it being too soon
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Aug 4, 2019 14:46
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colachute posted:if a mexican shoots up a public place i wonder how fast we would be allowed to talk about the wall without it being too soon While bullets were still being fired by him
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colachute posted:if a mexican shoots up a public place i wonder how fast we would be allowed to talk about the wall without it being too soon Don't follow the presidential Twitter feed much do you? We're already talking about that with MS13 super soldiers that we've locked up in child concentration camps for national safety.
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bird cooch posted:All the major cities are blue. Oh yeah, I know that. Doesn't stop chuds from saying exactly what I wrote though. I have a cousin in Austin and an aunt in Lubbock. The cousin is hardcore left, his mom is hard right. My brother was stationed at Bliss a bit over a decade ago. He's been quiet on facebook today. He's a chud. Actually, both of my brothers are chuds. So glad to be 1000+ miles away from them.
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i'm 100% serious when i say if you want gun control, run on the platform of arming all minorities.
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Stravag posted:Sounds like there are two american cities left in texas then. Austin and el paso. Well what does that have to do with storm chasing. They worried about people stealing their wind?
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colachute posted:i'm 100% serious when i say if you want gun control, run on the platform of arming all minorities. Worked in Cali
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Wow dude I try to get a couple hours of sleep and wake up to see there was actually a lightning bonus round mass shooting for the day yesterday And who can even tell if it was white nationalist terror or just old fashioned senseless violence anymore
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Milo and POTUS posted:Well what does that have to do with storm chasing. They worried about people stealing their wind? Lol also curious about this Rural/suburban Texas sounds like a real fuckin chud shithole
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Maybe they think you're from THE GOV'MENT running OBUMMERS SECRET HAARP MACHINE.
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colachute posted:i'm 100% serious when i say if you want gun control, run on the platform of arming all minorities. 
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Milo and POTUS posted:Well what does that have to do with storm chasing. They worried about people stealing their wind? I have no idea. When I told him I update gps nav data he said he thought I was a storm chaser.
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Aug 4, 2019 15:27
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Hahaha what the gently caress
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I think to understand it you have to be someone who fondles a gun while ambushing someone doing their job after following them for miles on public roads
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Eej posted:https://www.bellingcat.com/news/americas/2019/08/04/the-el-paso-shooting-and-the-gamification-of-terror/ if only the big media outlets had reporting as detailed as this
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Oh cool I wonder how many of my classmates and professors are dead now
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Professor Bling posted:Note that this doesn't usually happen: I agree with Godholio 100%. Cugel the Clever posted:
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FYI - This is all you're going to get. https://twitter.com/existentialfish/status/1158018462125572102?s=19 Give Trump a few hours to get back from the golf course and he'll parrot it too.
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facialimpediment posted:FYI - This is all you're going to get. That’s maybe the only thing Fox News could say that might actually get young right wingers to lash back.
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Fallom posted:That’s maybe the only thing Fox News could say that might actually get young right wingers to lash back. The average age of a Fox viewer is like 60-something. Young right wingers are on 8-chan and StormFront and stuff.
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Isn't Colorado City where that Mormon doomsday rape cult is?
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I storm chase in Texas and I have run into so real wierd fuckers in the deep boondocks.
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BigDave posted:Isn't Colorado City where that Mormon doomsday rape cult is? I thought that was waco?
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I saw news today that Andrew Golden, a guy who did a school shooting in Arkansas in 1998 at the age of 11, was killed in a head-on traffic collision last week. He was released in 2007 when he turned 21, changed his name, applied for a conceal carry in 2008, but was denied because his fingerprints. The report is that the other car involved crossed lanes and hit his car head-on. https://www.kait8.com/2019/07/28/westside-school-shooter-killed-crash-independence-county-asp-confirms/
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Cugel the Clever posted:It's time we stop pretending that everyone in the GOP just has a different opinion on gun policy and start seriously wondering the extent to which they support the agendas of these right-wing terrorists. Here's the problem - it's not going to work. Banning so called assault weapons is not going to work because "assault weapons" are really just semi automatic rifles with certain scart features like a pistol grip, or a collapsible stock, or a barrel shroud, or a muzzle brake, or a flash suppressor, or a super scary bayonet lug. Look at California's increasingly restrictive gun laws and you'll see that simple assault weapon bans aren't enough, and that when they fail to work, every single law after that gets more and more restrictive, yet still fails to do what the legislators want them to do. First they grandfathered in preban magazines. Then they got rid of that. The when people followed the letter of the law with the bullet button, they banned that, too. The generous interpretation is to say that the legislators want to end gun violence. The more cynical interpretation is that the legislators want to pass a bill that looks like they are being tough on the NRA and looks like they're tough on gun violence, while also doing nothing to end the root causes of gun violence in general because that is etremely expensive, complicated, multi-faceted, and requires a reworking of our health care system, our mental health care system, our education system, and our criminal justice system. So passing a bill that further restricts what guns people can have is just a hell of a lot easier for them to do. I honestly can't really blame them, because people, like voters, like simple answers. They don't like complicated solutions because you can't put that in a sound bite. That's the same exact reason why people love what Trump says about immigrants. "The immigrants are taking your jobs, the immigrants are dangerous, it's the immigrants fault why you aren't rich. Building the wall will solve this!" It's a really simple answer, and it's completely wrong. But people love being told what they already think is true, and if you have a simple solution to a problem that reinforces what people already think is true, then you're gonna get votes. The 1st problem with passing more gun laws Is that fascists, right wing militias, and white supremacists aren't going to turn theirs in, and I'll be dammed if it's only the Rpublicans that have firearms after a ban. The 2nd problem is that of implementation. The 1994 AWB only passed the house and senate because of the sunset clause. A bill without the sunset clause will have a much harder time of being passed. Then there's the issue of grandfathering the firearms that exist now. If you don't grandfather the so called assault weapons that are legally owned now, and instead go the route of a mandatory buy-up, you've just made felons of millions of Americans instantly, because even non racist otherwise law abiding citizens aren't going to hand them in. Then, how are you going to pay for all of the ones that are turned in? That'll be spending tens of billions of dollars taking previously legally owned firearms out of the hands of law abiding citizens, when those billions would've been better spent on improving access to healthcare, universal pre-K, or expanding the free school lunch problem. The other problem with passing more restrictive gun laws is that it's not going to address any root causes for gun violence in general, or the rise of mass shootings in particular. Trump's rise to power and his racist rhetoric emboldens other racists. Hate crimes have gone up significantly since hes been president. Racists love him. White supremacists love him. The anti immigrant, Anti-Muslim narrative has caused so many lone wolf terrorist attacks. El Paso was a terrorist attack. Full stop. Yet the DOJ and FBI aren't going hard after right-wing white supremacist terrorista groups, at least publicly. Why would they when their boss is a racist himself? The FBI has purview over those types of assholes, and I'm sure they've got undercover guys working on infiltrating white supremacist groups, but here you run into the same problems that they run into with violent Islamist extremist groups - most of these terrorists are self-radicalized. Most of them have few outside social contacts or friends, or if they do, they hide their extremist views (or at least their intensions to commit an attack) from everyone except their online friends (whether it be Stormfront or 8chan, or jihadist websites) or a small group of people who they're going to commit the act with. There's not a lot of chances for law enforcement to intervene because these fucks largely fly under the radar. You can't just arrest people in a white supremacist group just because the views they espouse are abhorrent, just like you can't lock up Muslims who post jihadi videos online and say that it's great when Americans get blown up overseas. It's free speech, and thank gently caress we still have that right somewhat intact. So these people fly under the radar either because 1) they self radicalize completely, or 2) they incubate in these echo chambers of hate until they are ready to commit the act. Unless a family member or friend alerts the FBI or local police, no one's gonna know until they commit the act. And even when the person is known and has an interaction with FBI or police, we don't have Minority Report style pre-cogs who can know what they're doing in a week, so unless they've already done something illegal, it's not easy to charge them with anything. And it's not like we have unlimited resources in equipment, man-hours, and manpower to watch every possible bad guy, or even every guy that's on a watchlist - nor should we.* If we did, we'd live in a no-poo poo dystopian dictatorship. *(There have been so many terror attacks committed by home grown terrorists in Europe where the attackers have been known to police or intelligence agencies, But they were never charged with anything because they didn't commit crimes yet. Some people think that if someone is known to police or intelligence as a potential terrorist (for instance, if they fought for ISIS in Syria and then came back to France or Belgium), that the authorities have 24 hour surveillance on a guy with a 12 man team of agents and surveillance specialists with multiple cars and phone taps. That poo poo isn't reality. There's far too many potential bad guys, and not nearly enough resources to watch them all). In short, gun laws aren't going to solve the issue. What we need to do is to look at the problem holistically, and come up with science and fact based solutions that doesn't give the government more power and doesn't further infringe on people's rights to adequate self defense. Bored As Fuck fucked around with this message at 16:55 on Aug 4, 2019 |
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Wait, wrong Colorado City. The one in Arizona is the Mormon polygamy rape cult. https://www.newstatesman.com/world/north-america/2018/09/paedophile-cult-leader-warren-jeffs-tore-town-apart-now-his-victims-are
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Fox, that piece of poo poo Tucker, our rear end in a top hat President, and right wing media writ large are literally contributing to the radicalization of these racist fucks. Not a moment of self reflection was had by any of them.
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Bored As gently caress posted:In short, gun laws aren't going to solve the issue. What we need to do is to look at the problem holistically, and come up with science and fact based solutions that doesn't give the government more power and doesn't further infringe on people's rights to adequate self defense. you might be right, but i want to try gun laws. colachute fucked around with this message at 17:08 on Aug 4, 2019 |
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Chiwie posted:https://abcnews.go.com/US/active-shooter-incident-investigated-dayton-ohio-police/story?id=64763090&cid=social_twitter_abcn Nobody can agree on what good gun control laws are. Fortunately the NRA seems to be circling the drain, which will help things clear up a bit. A Bad Poster posted:That's the point where the government would have to give them a practical demonstration of the phrase "live by the gun, die by the gun". The problem wouldn't be the people that just have a pistol or a rifle, it would be the people who have spent their entire lives stockpiling arsenals. Before we'd even get to that point, we need to start shaming the poo poo out of gun ownership. Good luck writing the law in your first part. As far as the edit...that's a war of government against its citizens. We have plenty of words for that, but civil war isn't usually one of them. Godholio fucked around with this message at 17:20 on Aug 4, 2019 |
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Bored As gently caress posted:Fox, that piece of poo poo Tucker, our rear end in a top hat President, and right wing media writ large are literally contributing to the radicalization of these racist fucks. Not a moment of self reflection was had by any of them. It's good for business and voter turnout.
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