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Bored As gently caress posted:Here's the problem - it's not going to work. Banning so called assault weapons is not going to work because ........... What do you call that joke? AMERICAN EXCEPTIONALISM!!
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# ? Jun 8, 2024 08:27 |
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Everything old is new again. Anything to keep from addressing either America's gun problem or the wave of right-wing terrorism we're experiencing. https://twitter.com/existentialfish/status/1158018462125572102?s=19
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# ? Aug 4, 2019 17:25 |
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"assault weapons" are an aesthetic category, true. Fascist thinking is motivated by aesthetics though
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# ? Aug 4, 2019 17:26 |
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hey guys this isnt a gun problem, this is a right wing/white supremacist terrorism problem and ill catch a sixer for it but I just want to remind you that the military and law enforcement are packed to the loving gills with dudes just like Patrick Crusius. the only question is are we going to do anything about it before they start renting U-Hauls again(the answer is no)
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# ? Aug 4, 2019 17:26 |
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Here’s a loving spicy hot take https://twitter.com/RepCohen/status/1158034560891928576
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# ? Aug 4, 2019 17:28 |
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Proud Christian Mom posted:hey guys this isnt a gun problem, this is a right wing/white supremacist terrorism problem and ill catch a sixer for it but I just want to remind you that the military and law enforcement are packed to the loving gills with dudes just like Patrick Crusius. the only question is are we going to do anything about it before they start renting U-Hauls again(the answer is no) It can be a both problem My preferred take would be a constitutional amendment banning personsal gun ownership. Failing that I'll take a federal assault weapons ban with a 50 year buyback period. If you get caught with a weapon you'll catch charges, but by allowing buybacks over an extended period of time you reduce the amount of guns in circulation. Limit sales, encourage buybacks, ban them in cities and make the whole process as inconvenient and expensive as possible for everyone involved. Most other countries do just fine without rampant gun ownership and America drat well should too. There's been three mass shootings in twenty four hours! Like five in the past week! It's a goddamn catastrophe.
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# ? Aug 4, 2019 17:31 |
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We did fine for 300 years beforehand. And the last 75 years or so before Columbine repeaters, semi-automatics, and other higher-capacity weapons were common. Something changed, but it wasn't the introduction of guns.
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Proud Christian Mom posted:hey guys this isnt a gun problem, this is a right wing/white supremacist terrorism problem and ill catch a sixer for it but I just want to remind you that the military and law enforcement are packed to the loving gills with dudes just like Patrick Crusius. the only question is are we going to do anything about it before they start renting U-Hauls again(the answer is no) Get more leftists into law enforcement, the military, and politics or you just cede all power over to them and are left kindly requesting that the boot not stomp you.
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# ? Aug 4, 2019 17:34 |
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Right wing nationalism is on the rise throughout the globe but mass shootings are only on the rise in America.quote:caused so many lone wolf terrorist attacks. lol have you not been paying attention
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Chichevache posted:Get more leftists into law enforcement, the military, and politics or you just cede all power over to them and are left kindly requesting that the boot not stomp you. Gonna have to change the system first. It's all built to be what it's become.
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# ? Aug 4, 2019 17:38 |
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Bored As gently caress posted:Here's the problem - it's not going to work. Banning so called assault weapons is not going to work because "assault weapons" are really just semi automatic rifles with certain scart features like a pistol grip, or a collapsible stock, or a barrel shroud, or a muzzle brake, or a flash suppressor, or a super scary bayonet lug. Look at California's increasingly restrictive gun laws and you'll see that simple assault weapon bans aren't enough, and that when they fail to work, every single law after that gets more and more restrictive, yet still fails to do what the legislators want them to do. First they grandfathered in preban magazines. Then they got rid of that. The when people followed the letter of the law with the bullet button, they banned that, too. In summary, ban and confiscate all weapons after a buy-back grace period. That is the science and fact-based solution practiced worldwide. Right wing extremism should also be dealt with but what's going on right now is that people have both motive and means, and taking away their means is part of fixing the problem. Tiny Timbs fucked around with this message at 17:43 on Aug 4, 2019 |
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Godholio posted:Something changed, but it wasn't the introduction of guns. The internets easy access to porn has glorified the big dick and thus anyone worried about their dick size started lashing out. If we adjust thr formula for what is a big dick we can fix this overnight Edit: i know this is a south park bit but gently caress its not like the us is going to do anything related to weapons on a federal level for a while again. Stravag fucked around with this message at 17:44 on Aug 4, 2019 |
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Infiltrate and charge/throw out everyone in those lovely mil/cop Facebook groups.
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# ? Aug 4, 2019 17:43 |
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Casimir Radon posted:Infiltrate and charge/throw out everyone in those lovely mil/cop Facebook groups. Uh, thin blue line there hoss.
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# ? Aug 4, 2019 17:44 |
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remember when a 5-4 partisan decision written by an "originalist" decided that a "well-regulated militia" was something we can just entirely ignore in the constitution? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia_v._Heller the Court is a joke and place no hope there
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# ? Aug 4, 2019 17:45 |
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Some one tried to tell me that the commas in the 2nd amendment were used in place of ands or ors. This is the type of dumb we have to overcome.
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# ? Aug 4, 2019 17:52 |
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Won't have to worry about gun violence when these loving chuds learn it's safer for them to lay out EFPs and set buildings on fire and poison water supplies or taint food sources.
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# ? Aug 4, 2019 17:52 |
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Or maybe focus enforcement on Domestic, Right Wing groups. We have an intelligebce apparatus that can track down the single individuals who shot down Extortion 17. We can track down and kill two nameless Taliban fighters, but can't track Right Wing Domestic poo poo? We don't want to. The idea of banning/gun control seems to be falling out of favor, particularly since the Left has felt the need to increasingly arm and train themselves since 16. I don't see a Ban/Buyback working at all. Besides the hardcore Right and Left wing, you are going to have people who are generally law abiding, but aren't going to give up poo poo for fear it might be needed later. Besides that, I don't see them ever banning Handguns even though they are used in most crimes. They couldn't get them banned in 36 with the NFA, now that carry is common and legal in most places, I don't see that happening.
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not caring here posted:Won't have to worry about gun violence when these loving chuds learn it's safer for them to lay out EFPs and set buildings on fire and poison water supplies or taint food sources. They want it to be personal.
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bulletsponge13 posted:Or maybe focus enforcement on Domestic, Right Wing groups. We have an intelligebce apparatus that can track down the single individuals who shot down Extortion 17. We can track down and kill two nameless Taliban fighters, but can't track Right Wing Domestic poo poo? The republican-controlled House and Senate saw it as partisan and cancelled the funding.
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Bored As gently caress posted:Here's the problem - it's not going to work. Banning so called assault weapons is not going to work because "assault weapons" are really just semi automatic rifles with certain scart features like a pistol grip, or a collapsible stock, or a barrel shroud, or a muzzle brake, or a flash suppressor, or a super scary bayonet lug. Look at California's increasingly restrictive gun laws and you'll see that simple assault weapon bans aren't enough, and that when they fail to work, every single law after that gets more and more restrictive, yet still fails to do what the legislators want them to do. First they grandfathered in preban magazines. Then they got rid of that. The when people followed the letter of the law with the bullet button, they banned that, too. Idk, but I think we really, really need to do something about the proliferation of small arms in this country. Saying we can't do anything about the guns themselves is loving stupid.
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Eej posted:Right wing nationalism is on the rise throughout the globe but mass shootings are only on the rise in America. "Lone wolf" means a single attacker PER ACT. Not "lol its just one or two guys." There's a definition.
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# ? Aug 4, 2019 17:59 |
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Getting rid of the personal sale background check exemption would be a good first start.
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bulletsponge13 posted:Or maybe focus enforcement on Domestic, Right Wing groups. We have an intelligebce apparatus that can track down the single individuals who shot down Extortion 17. We can track down and kill two nameless Taliban fighters, but can't track Right Wing Domestic poo poo? We have a very good reason - we do not want the entire intel community spying on Americans. Don't you remember the outcry when the NSA was scooping up people's meta data for phone calls? Do you really want the NSA and CIA to be spying on Americans? I sure as gently caress don't. The sorry state of our civil liberties is hosed enough without tearing down that pretty decent sized wall between domestic LEO / intel and foreign focused and mil intel.
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# ? Aug 4, 2019 18:09 |
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I'd say at the very least we could stop selling new guns. It doesn't do anything about the 300 million we have now, but it sets the stage for taking then away in the future.
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Bored As gently caress posted:We have a very good reason - we do not want the entire intel community spying on Americans. Don't you remember the outcry when the NSA was scooping up people's meta data for phone calls? Do you really want the NSA and CIA to be spying on Americans? I sure as gently caress don't. The sorry state of our civil liberties is hosed enough without tearing down that pretty decent sized wall between domestic LEO / intel and foreign focused and mil intel. This is at odds with the reality of the modern day.
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# ? Aug 4, 2019 18:10 |
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Law enforcement is already collecting information on right wing terrorists and refusing to do anything with it so addressing that does seem like a good step Throwing your hands up and saying the concept of preventing domestic terrorism is inherently intolerable does not seem like a good step
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# ? Aug 4, 2019 18:13 |
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UBC would be a great start. My issue is that I'm not saying that Ban/Buyback won't have an effect. I'm saying that the horse is already out of that barn, and a more effective damage control and prevention would be a different path. Better healthcare, better access to mental health, a targetted approach by LE- I think all these would be more effective than an attempted buyback/ban. I'll admit, I have a mental block to bans, because it is incredibly easy to build a gun with poo poo from ACE hardware without raising an eye brow. It's not 100% logically, and I get that, it's just I know what I would do as a bad guy, and I have issues getting past that mental hurdle.
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bulletsponge13 posted:
For one, your pvc zip gun would barely be capable of getting one shot off much less mow down 30+ people. 3D printers and home metal fabrication seem like the greater threat and I don’t know how you’d begin dealing with that without just banning the concept of workshops. In ten years we probably will get to the point where you can make your own reliable automatics. Tiny Timbs fucked around with this message at 18:18 on Aug 4, 2019 |
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Bored As gently caress posted:We have a very good reason - we do not want the entire intel community spying on Americans. Don't you remember the outcry when the NSA was scooping up people's meta data for phone calls? Do you really want the NSA and CIA to be spying on Americans? I sure as gently caress don't. The sorry state of our civil liberties is hosed enough without tearing down that pretty decent sized wall between domestic LEO / intel and foreign focused and mil intel. They already do, have done since the 1970s. That separation was always paper thin, and was removed completely after
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Bored As gently caress posted:We have a very good reason - we do not want the entire intel community spying on Americans. Don't you remember the outcry when the NSA was scooping up people's meta data for phone calls? Do you really want the NSA and CIA to be spying on Americans? I sure as gently caress don't. The sorry state of our civil liberties is hosed enough without tearing down that pretty decent sized wall between domestic LEO / intel and foreign focused and mil intel. You don’t even need the CIA/NSA scooping up metadata. You can do it yourself by joining Facebook groups and following discord invite links. There is no hidden conspiracy you just look at what is in plain sight.
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bulletsponge13 posted:I'll admit, I have a mental block to bans, because it is incredibly easy to build a gun with poo poo from ACE hardware without raising an eye brow. It's not 100% logically, and I get that, it's just I know what I would do as a bad guy, and I have issues getting past that mental hurdle. “ah, well, it is impossible to have a perfect solution to this problem therefore we should do nothing to improve the situation”
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Bored As gently caress posted:We have a very good reason - we do not want the entire intel community spying on Americans. Don't you remember the outcry when the NSA was scooping up people's meta data for phone calls? Do you really want the NSA and CIA to be spying on Americans? I sure as gently caress don't. The sorry state of our civil liberties is hosed enough without tearing down that pretty decent sized wall between domestic LEO / intel and foreign focused and mil intel. They are already doing that poo poo. I'm not saying suspend Posse Commitatus, or allow the CIA free reign in America. There is a huge step between Sheriff Podunk ignoring the warning signs and full on Big Brother. I was using the Extortion 17 thing as an example. We can hunt down those dudes on the otherside of the world, but we can't stop these dudes in the US? LE and the people involved don't want to stop it, because they either implicitly or tacitly approve of the actions. Some of them that work forces... The history of LE in this country is also a history of racism and ideological enforcement of White Supremacy.
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pmchem posted:“ah, well, it is impossible to have a perfect solution to this problem therefore we should do nothing to improve the situation” - Paid for by the Democratic National Committee
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# ? Aug 4, 2019 18:21 |
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Like I said, it's a mental block in working on. Also, with no gunsmithing skill, you can build a full auto tube gun like a Sten. Or a Luty. It's not difficult- poo poo, I knew people that built them as teenagers. I didn't say we shouldn't do anything. I actually put forth my opinion on what I think would be more effective. I didn't say we shouldn't do anything, but thanks anyway.
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obligatory: https://www.theonion.com/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-r-1836949580
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Chichevache posted:I'd say at the very least we could stop selling new guns. It doesn't do anything about the 300 million we have now, but it sets the stage for taking then away in the future. One thing I don't get is how people like you (and others in this thead) that want to see the end of gun ownership, is how do you support something that is going to take away or extremely restrict the ability of people to defend themselves. The elderly, ill or infirm, people with disabilities, the weaker/shorter people, and most women are more easily able to defend themselves from attackers with firearms. Mace/pepper spray is only so effective - it's not even close to 100% effective. Knives take some skill to defend yourself with, and you get too close to an attacker to safely use it anyway. A firearm is an equalizer. Whereas before firearms, a bigger, stronger attacker would easily victimize you, a disabled or smaller or weaker person could easily defend themselves against a much larger attacker. Will they be able to in every circumstance? No. But they'll have a hell of a better chance with a firearm than without. If my ex girlfriend who had muscular dystrophy in her legs had a firearm on her or in her purse, it's quite possible she would've been able to shoot her attacker, and then she never would've been brutally attacked and raped, then she never would've had a TBI and PTSD, and never would've self medicated with drugs, never would've become a junkie thief, and never would've eventually overdosed and died. I think it's blind priviledge for males living in areas where police are less than 10 minutes away (or where there is low crime) to say "let's get rid of guns / lets make efforts to restrict access to guns for everyone."
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Bored As gently caress posted:One thing I don't get is how people like you (and others in this thead) that want to see the end of gun ownership, is how do you support something that is going to take away or extremely restrict the ability of people to defend themselves. The elderly, ill or infirm, people with disabilities, the weaker/shorter people, and most women are more easily able to defend themselves from attackers with firearms. Mace/pepper spray is only so effective - it's not even close to 100% effective. Knives take some skill to defend yourself with, and you get too close to an attacker to safely use it anyway. A firearm is an equalizer. Whereas before firearms, a bigger, stronger attacker would easily victimize you, a disabled or smaller or weaker person could easily defend themselves against a much larger attacker. Will they be able to in every circumstance? No. But they'll have a hell of a better chance with a firearm than without. If my ex girlfriend who had muscular dystrophy in her legs had a firearm on her or in her purse, it's quite possible she would've been able to shoot her attacker, and then she never would've been brutally attacked and raped, then she never would've had a TBI and PTSD, and never would've self medicated with drugs, never would've become a junkie thief, and never would've eventually overdosed and died. put money into not having lovely cops and improving police infrastructure in rural towns and, get this, they could be the good guys with the guns. like, as a job, or something. possibly even a career.
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or how about this: everyone gets a firearm for self defense, but we abolish police since they seem to be so incredibly useless (an unsolvable problem!) that we need to be armed to the loving teeth
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