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Part of this comes down to the format. This is a show that's mostly designed to be accessible, to be picked up and watched year round and for kids to not feel like they've missed too much. This isn't the type of anime that's meant to be highly serialized and even under Takeshi Shudo it was never really meant to be. Obviously they'll do a storyarc when they feel so inclined, and both SuMo and XY embraced that to a greater degree than previous seasons, but in general, the anime is about a character having multiple adventures every week. It's never gonna be the same kind of story as the self contained plots of the games, or the serialized ongoing plots of Pokemon Adventures (which I've felt have gotten way too complicated for their own good for the last few arcs). But that doesn't mean there's no merits to be found in it.
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Silver2195 posted:Sounds meh. Hunter J in Sinnoh, who died horrifically by getting shot out of the sky in her airship and drowning in a whirlpool. Her glasses even bob to the surface.
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Aug 6, 2019 00:09
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she's not really nuanced, I'd argue but still how hosed up is it that the Lake Trio basically just murdered her and her men in revenge?
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Aug 6, 2019 00:10
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Nodosaur posted:she's not really nuanced, I'd argue How hosed is it she had no problem attempting to murder people with her pokemon? And not efficiently either, she had her drapion take it's time crushing Ash to death.
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Aug 6, 2019 00:11
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Nodosaur posted:Part of this comes down to the format. This is a show that's mostly designed to be accessible, to be picked up and watched year round and for kids to not feel like they've missed too much. This isn't the type of anime that's meant to be highly serialized and even under Takeshi Shudo it was never really meant to be. Obviously I do think there are merits to be found in the Pokemon anime, or I wouldn't still be watching it. It's just that in general, I'm better at articulating what a story does wrong than what it does right, and I'm being more negative about it than usual lately because I really do think BW isn't as well-written as AG and DP were.
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Aug 6, 2019 00:13
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That too is hosed up But she's not a seemingly innocent and wise fairy monster from the dawn of time blowing up a bunch of people who hurt them after they've already gotten away and don't really need to worry about her anymore It's like, you'd expect them to be all about stopping the cycle of violence and forgiveness or something but nope, the floating Muppets want blood Bonnie cheerfully encouraging Squishy and Z2 to nuke Lysandre into oblivion has the same energy
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Aug 6, 2019 00:16
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Nodosaur posted:That too is hosed up I'd reckon since said floating muppets constructed the human psyche they knew drat well she'd probably come back to finish the job. I never thought of the cute legendaries as wholly benevolent. They will absolutely gently caress you up if they feel it's justified.
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Aug 6, 2019 00:31
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Yeah, but it's not something you'd expect is more my point, and the anime had up till that point conditioned you to think she'd just disappear into the sunset or something. Hell, even Mewtwo let Giovanni live.
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Aug 6, 2019 00:53
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Honestly, I'd argue that Hunter J is actually improved for her simplicity. She's a dark villain, but she's not megalomaniacal or anything. She's just a ruthless no-nonsense mercenary who's got no problems with killing. She's out for a paycheck. She's hired for a job, she'll do the job she's given and get paid for it, and if someone tries to get in her way, she removes them from her way in the most convenient way available, only taking more effort-requiring methods when someone proves to be a repetitive pain in her rear end. I'd argue that making her a more complex character would make her weaker. Why do we need to know why she's okay with killing? She's a mercenary working for the highest bidder. Do we need to know what she does with her profit outside of business-related ventures? She's Hunter J. So long as the pay's good, she delivers.
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BlazetheInferno posted:Honestly, I'd argue that Hunter J is actually improved for her simplicity. She's a dark villain, but she's not megalomaniacal or anything. She's just a ruthless no-nonsense mercenary who's got no problems with killing. She's out for a paycheck. She's hired for a job, she'll do the job she's given and get paid for it, and if someone tries to get in her way, she removes them from her way in the most convenient way available, only taking more effort-requiring methods when someone proves to be a repetitive pain in her rear end. And that would be fine if it was just her, but Giovanni, Archie, Maxie, etc. don’t have any backstory either. Some of Kanto’s best episodes were the Team Rocket trio’s backstories...and then they never gave any of the other villains one. Edit: Unless you count the Birth of Mewtwo Drama CD for Giovanni, but even that got retconned away. Silver2195 fucked around with this message at 02:04 on Aug 6, 2019 |
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Aug 6, 2019 01:58
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Nodosaur posted:Yeah, but it's not something you'd expect is more my point, and the anime had up till that point conditioned you to think she'd just disappear into the sunset or something. Insofar as the anime's concerned absolutely. But every now and again they throw a curve ball at you.
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Aug 6, 2019 02:29
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a topic never pondered before, i'm sure: what's the ugliest generation in terms of starters and their evolutions (averaging every design in a gen)? have to say sun and moon feel like strong contenders. was thinking gen v too, but the base starters are too strong, imho
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Aug 6, 2019 04:24
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Sword Shield. Grookey and Sobble look like poo poo, Scorbunny looks generic as hell
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Aug 6, 2019 04:29
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Rinkles posted:a topic never pondered before, i'm sure: what's the ugliest generation in terms of starters and their evolutions (averaging every design in a gen)? have to say sun and moon feel like strong contenders. was thinking gen v too, but the base starters are too strong, imho I know Popplio's whole line is kinda eh, but you'd better not be talking poo poo about best bird and John Cenya. I feel like the stretch from Gen 4 to 6 is kind of eh to me in general. Torterra, Serperior, and Greninja are standouts in some seriously mediocre bunches, whereas most gens have at least two lines I can appreciate.
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Aug 6, 2019 04:31
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Rinkles posted:a topic never pondered before, i'm sure: what's the ugliest generation in terms of starters and their evolutions (averaging every design in a gen)? have to say sun and moon feel like strong contenders. was thinking gen v too, but the base starters are too strong, imho UGLIEST? Ugliest is hard if you're factoring in the initial Pokemon becasue almost all of them are cute. There are a handful I don't really like (I'm looking at you Chimchar) but even most of the ones that grow into ugly Pokemon have cute starters. I'd have to go with the ugliest to me in terms of their final evolutions, which I'd have to go with Ruby/Sapphire. I don't really like any of their final evos.
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The Bee posted:I know Popplio's whole line is kinda eh, but you'd better not be talking poo poo about best bird and John Cenya. The Popplio line is great, all the sun and moon starters are great 
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Aug 6, 2019 04:34
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6 except for braixen and greninja
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Aug 6, 2019 04:39
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Sceptile just looks so loving unbalanced Like I think Blaziken is great and Swamps is ok but woof
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Aug 6, 2019 04:44
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lol, as many opinions as pokemon. serperior a standout? (being snivy's uncle doesn't get you that far)
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Aug 6, 2019 04:46
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the only grass starter i dont adore is meganium, whom i hate
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Aug 6, 2019 04:48
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no one adores chestnaught
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Aug 6, 2019 04:49
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i love my bulletproof hedgehog son and his rounder little brothers
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Aug 6, 2019 04:50
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how do you pronounce this: Decidueye e:oh i think i get what they were going for
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deciduous and eye v easy
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Aug 6, 2019 04:51
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it's actually owltair though
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Aug 6, 2019 04:52
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Rinkles posted:how do you pronounce this: Decidueye Now that the latest Fire Emblem game's given me some voice acting to reference, pretty sure it's pronounced deci-doo.
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Blaziken sucks. Long stilt legged havin Digimon lookin rear end bitchRinkles posted:how do you pronounce this: Decidueye https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOzFab1izbg
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Rinkles posted:a topic never pondered before, i'm sure: what's the ugliest generation in terms of starters and their evolutions (averaging every design in a gen)? have to say sun and moon feel like strong contenders. was thinking gen v too, but the base starters are too strong, imho That's a tough one. Of the nine Gen 1 starter designs, only Venusaur is "ugly" (and probably intentionally so). The Gen 2 ones are mostly just a bit bland, but the "buttocks" (actually spinal spikes...probably) in Feraligatr's Gen 3 backsprite singlehandedly bring the Gen 2 starters down. Gen 3 starters are mostly cool-looking, but Combusken is really bad, and Swampert is also ugly. The Chimchar line is bland, but the other Gen 4 starters are fine. Gen 5 gives us two overdesigned final forms (Emboar and Samurott). Chesnaught is awkward-looking, but I really like Delphox and Greninja. Finally, Gen 7 gives us the horrifyingly humanoid Incineroar, and to a lesser extent Primarina. I'd say Gen 3.
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Aug 6, 2019 05:02
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huh, i'm quite fond of 3.
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Chesnaught looks like an armorknight from Fire Emblem, his design is great. His middle form sucks though.
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Rinkles posted:a topic never pondered before, i'm sure: what's the ugliest generation in terms of starters and their evolutions (averaging every design in a gen)? have to say sun and moon feel like strong contenders. was thinking gen v too, but the base starters are too strong, imho Gen 1. I welcome the flaying that's soon to come my way. But other than that I usually have only one or two favorites among the starters each Gen. On rare occasions I may even like all of them. Sun and Moon were all outstanding in my opinion. edit: Ah screw it. here's my list of favorites per Gen Gen 1 Bulbasaur line Gen 2 Totodile and Cyndaquil lines Gen 3 Torchic line Gen 4 Chimchar and Piplup line Gen 5 Snivy line Gen 6 Froakie line Gen 7 All of them. All just perf Flopsy fucked around with this message at 05:40 on Aug 6, 2019 |
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Aug 6, 2019 05:33
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all the starters are great. all of them
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Bleck posted:all the starters are great. all of them but tepig
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oddium posted:no one adores chestnaught King of Solomon posted:Chesnaught looks like an armorknight from Fire Emblem, his design is great. heehee
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Aug 6, 2019 05:57
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oddium posted:it's actually owltair though Owliver Queen. Rinkles posted:lol, as many opinions as pokemon. serperior a standout? (being snivy's uncle doesn't get you that far) Serperior is a fantastic design. It's just, y'know, not great in battle.
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Aug 6, 2019 06:04
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oddium posted:it's actually owltair though Owliver Queen
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Aug 6, 2019 06:15
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Chesnaught is ugly, but shiny Chesnaught looks good and obviously should have been the default but someone hosed up.
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King of Solomon posted:His middle form sucks though. Nobody ever cares about middle forms.
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Aug 6, 2019 06:41
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qnqnx posted:Nobody ever cares about middle forms. People care about grovyle a lot
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The real worst starter is Bayleaf, which doesn't have Chikorita's cuteness and is just a watered down Meganium otherwise
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