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Which leads back to today's Zen 2 chiplets on 7nm being tiny again and yet generating a ton of heat to the point of not having enough surface area to dissipate it.
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Power density is rapidly approaching the point where something has to give, either cooling needs to be brought closer to the die to keep up or power consumption (and performance) is going to have to drop on smaller nodes. Heat spreaders are already basically insulators compared to high end coolers. With Zen 2, it isn't that they are generating a ton of heat, it is that they are generating the same amount of heat in less area.
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Indiana_Krom posted:Power density is rapidly approaching the point where something has to give, either cooling needs to be brought closer to the die to keep up or power consumption (and performance) is going to have to drop on smaller nodes. Heat spreaders are already basically insulators compared to high end coolers. time to lose the IHS
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Thom P. Tiers posted:I love seeing people still using this chip. What a legendary processor. I'm really struggling to find a reason for upgrading my 4570/gtx 970. Everything still just works, at 1080p anyway.
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Aug 5, 2019 05:43
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Aug 5, 2019 05:46
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I wonder if more games will be optimized for 4k when the next gen consoles start coming out next year. At some point the UI for games will look like trash in 1080
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teagone posted:With how cheap RAM is atm, would it be worth it to upgrade my old gaming PC to 16GB DDR3-1600 RAM? It currently has 8GB. Other specs are Core i5-4570, GTX 1060 6GB. I don't plan on upgrading the CPU/mainboard anytime soon since I mostly only play Overwatch on it and I have a 240Hz G-sync monitor so it runs OW pretty much like butter. Considering your use case I'm gonna vote no. Overwatch is a very well optimized game and I don't believe more RAM will improve it's performance. Maybe faster RAM will, but that depends if your motherboard supports it.
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:time to lose the IHS Diamond heatspreader Edit: turns out they exist
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integrate a waterblock into the die
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Is there a PC parts deals thread? I’ve been searching daily for things but is there a place to discuss them on SA?Slickdeals is a necessary evil right now.
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SatelliteCore posted:Is there a PC parts deals thread? I’ve been searching daily for things but is there a place to discuss them on SA?Slickdeals is a necessary evil right now. r/buildapcsales They're pretty on top of it and the comments are good enough to let you know if something is a good deal or not.
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Hi thread, is this a good place to ask about KVM switches? I have never used one before but, after doing some research I feel like a KVM switch would be exactly what I need: I will get to work from home two days a week by the end of the year. I have two monitors on my desk at home; I have three monitors at work. I have a docking station for my laptop at home. I would like to be able to swap between using my keyboard, mouse, speakers, and monitors with as little hassle as possible Therefore, is my conclusion that I should use a KVM switch a good one? And if so, could the thread recommend one for me? I did a search for them and there seems to be an astounding number of choices and I have no idea how to judge them. Thank you!
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Does anyone have any real experience with case fans? I'm going with a Fractal Design Meshify C ATX and want to fill the front with two 140mm fans. Lot of options though and I want to focus on keeping noise as low as possible everywhere since the case isn't focused on that. Right now I'm looking at Corsair ML140, 140mm Premium Magnetic Levitation Fan (2-Pack) which sound nifty and people say are silent, but others are also saying its loud? So I don't know what to believe. Also nice is that this two pack is like two for the price of one at the moment. Second choice is some Noctua NF-A14 PWM, 4-Pin Premium Quiet Cooling Fan (140mm, Brown) Which also has rave reviews, but I've honestly no idea what is overpriced or not. But I'm really after some experienced opinions on what to get. Doesn't have to either of these two I've posted, it is just what I've found after about an hour of searching and reading reviews.
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:time to lose the IHS I don't see why they don't just use a shim in place of the IHS like you can buy for delided CPUs to protect the bare die from being crushed, seems like a simple and cheap solution to me.
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Broose posted:Does anyone have any real experience with case fans? Does that come with fractal 140mm fans? I have a define r5 with 2 140mm fractal fans and they're completely silent.
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Broose posted:Does anyone have any real experience with case fans? Take a look at the new corsair case, the 220t I think. Phone posting or I would link. Seems to have really solid airflow and comes with 3 corsair LL fans on the front. You can also remove the awful looking grill in the front if you want, it won't add much to airflow though as the grill has large enough slits to basically have great flow to start with
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sebmojo posted:I'm really struggling to find a reason for upgrading my 4570/gtx 970. Everything still just works, at 1080p anyway. Sup 4570 CPU haver who also feels like they have no reason to upgrade. I've got mine with a GTX 1060 6GB on a 1080p 240Hz G-Sync monitor and I think I can use this setup for several more generations. OhFunny posted:Considering your use case I'm gonna vote no. Overwatch is a very well optimized game and I don't believe more RAM will improve it's performance. Maybe faster RAM will, but that depends if your motherboard supports it. Makes sense. The mainboard is on the lower end (ASRock B85M) and only supports DDR3-1600/1333. Unless I see a 16GB kit drop down to like the $30-$40ish range maybe I'll just bite because why not, but other wise at the current $60-$70 range for 16GB, yeah it's probably not worth it. teagone fucked around with this message at 19:00 on Aug 5, 2019 |
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I've got an unopened MSI B450 Tomahawk and a 3600, just waiting for the GPU to show up. The Tomahawk has "ready for Ryzen 3000" printed on the box but it's not a Max (not sure if they're in stores yet). Let's assume the thing boots fine with whatever factory-updated BIOS it has, does it make any sense to return it and wait for a Max version for stability/performance? Is there some CPU-architecture reason why Ryzen 3000 needs 32 megabytes or whatever of BIOS space or does the dust just need to settle on all this poo poo? Edit: Also my original plan was not to use USB Flashback and just count on the factory BIOS being "ready for 3000." Is there any reason to flashback it to whatever the latest BIOS is instead?
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All my parts came in except my video card. It's been a looooong time since I built a PC so I have a quick question. I'm building a 9900k, and my mobo has a 4pin and an 8pin ATX power reciever. My undersatnding is for the 9900k I need both of these plugged in. But my seasonic didn't come with a 4pin connector. Do i just use one of the pcie power connectors into the 4pin even though they are more than 4pin? Or do I just use the 8pin alone? This is my mobo https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813145091?Item=N82E16813145091 Kilazar fucked around with this message at 19:47 on Aug 5, 2019 |
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Using highly advanced 3d modeling (cutting and pasting in photoshop, 1 pixel = 1 mm) I've made a mockup of my new PC. The case I did want had the 2 radiators next to each other making plumbing easy. The Lian Li PC-V3000 though, is going to be interesting. I could do 2 loops, or somehow connect the top and bottom rad...  Broose posted:Does anyone have any real experience with case fans? Corsair's ML's, LL's, SP's are all good fans. I wish I could find more info on their new SP120/140 Pro assignable RGB's Noctua fans are the colour of literal poo poo and are still very highly rated, that's how good they are. Ak Gara fucked around with this message at 19:52 on Aug 5, 2019 |
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el_caballo posted:I've got an unopened MSI B450 Tomahawk and a 3600, just waiting for the GPU to show up. The Tomahawk has "ready for Ryzen 3000" printed on the box but it's not a Max (not sure if they're in stores yet). Let's assume the thing boots fine with whatever factory-updated BIOS it has, does it make any sense to return it and wait for a Max version for stability/performance? I highly, highly doubt the Max has stability or performance differences. As far as I can tell, the only difference is the bios chip size. That means on the Max boards they can bring back the flashier BIOS menus with images and crap. I guess there's the possibility that the Max will get larger BIOS updates in future that can support more generations at once. I wouldn't bother returning the board for a Max, there's a good chance the Max will just flat out cost more because.. it's a "new" board, and you're really not going to gain anything
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VelociBacon posted:Does that come with fractal 140mm fans? I have a define r5 with 2 140mm fractal fans and they're completely silent. It comes with two 120mm, 1 back, 1 front. Planning to move the front to to somewhere else and use as an exhaust. With two 140mm on the front for intake. grimcreaper posted:Take a look at the new corsair case, the 220t I think. Phone posting or I would link. Seems to have really solid airflow and comes with 3 corsair LL fans on the front. You can also remove the awful looking grill in the front if you want, it won't add much to airflow though as the grill has large enough slits to basically have great flow to start with Nice looking case, it only has 160mm of space for the CPU cooler though. Was planning on buying a NH-D15 though and it is a bit large for the case.
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el_caballo posted:I've got an unopened MSI B450 Tomahawk and a 3600, just waiting for the GPU to show up. The Tomahawk has "ready for Ryzen 3000" printed on the box but it's not a Max (not sure if they're in stores yet). Let's assume the thing boots fine with whatever factory-updated BIOS it has, does it make any sense to return it and wait for a Max version for stability/performance? All the MSI issues seem isolated to Reddit, no one here has been having issues. The reason for the MAX boards, as best I understand, is that there are too many processors supported on the AM4 platform so there's just not enough space in the bios for them all. MSI had to drop support for the A-series chips to fit Zen2 support. I highly doubt there would be a reason to return it and get a MAX board, unless you're planning on swapping between unsupported chips ever. I wouldn't bother pre-flashing. See what bios is on there and flash it if a later one fixes an issue you personally encounter.
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Kilazar posted:All my parts came in except my video card. It's been a looooong time since I built a PC so I have a quick question. I'm building a 9900k, and my mobo has a 4pin and an 8pin ATX power reciever. My undersatnding is for the 9900k I need both of these plugged in. But my seasonic didn't come with a 4pin connector. Do i just use one of the pcie power connectors into the 4pin even though they are more than 4pin? PCIE 4 pin isn't the same as EPS 4 pin, I believe. Does your power supply come with dual 8 pin? Most are actually 4+4 connected together.
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Ak Gara posted:PCIE 4 pin isn't the same as EPS 4 pin, I believe. Shouldn't my power supply have come with both EPS connectors? *edit* It looks like it came with 4+4 :/. So I need to buy another 4+4 for seasonic and just use that? Kilazar fucked around with this message at 19:56 on Aug 5, 2019 |
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ItBreathes posted:All the MSI issues seem isolated to Reddit, no one here has been having issues. HalloKitty posted:I highly, highly doubt the Max has stability or performance differences. Dope. Thanks guys.
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Kilazar posted:Shouldn't my power supply have come with both EPS connectors? What seasonic do you have?
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Ak Gara posted:What seasonic do you have? Focus+ platinum 650 PX Edit. Also how sturdy are aio tubes. Feels like i have to bend these to breaking in order to have the logo right side up
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Kilazar posted:Focus+ platinum 650 PX I think it should work with just the single 8 pin anyway.
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AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:Hi thread, is this a good place to ask about KVM switches? I have never used one before but, after doing some research I feel like a KVM switch would be exactly what I need: I was in a similar situation, with multiple monitors, a personal PC, and a work laptop. I ended up getting a USB hub for the peripherals and an HDMI switch for the monitors. The two reasons for this were 1. It's MUCH cheaper 2. I can easily set various combinations of monitors rather than one or the other.
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Woohoo! It posts! And accepted the XMP profile! Soooo do I worry about not having that second 4pin for power to the mobo or just let it be? I'm installing windows now. Now I just need my video card to get here. I don't think I would recomend Super Biiz. My video card still has not shipped, ordered it on the 30th. 
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Stickman posted:$500 is definitely a tough price point (and prices are actually up 5-10% for a lot of parts in the last few months). Here's a couple of suggestions for ~$550, plus a 700 build: Thank you, this is very helpful. Is there any reason to stick with microATX over full ATX? I was only looking at micro ATX because that's what all the budget builds online were using.
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shookwell posted:Thank you, this is very helpful. Is there any reason to stick with microATX over full ATX? I was only looking at micro ATX because that's what all the budget builds online were using. They're smaller and cheaper. The downside is only middling-quality mATX B450 boards exist, though it's not really a big issue. Nicer boards can have features that won't really impact performance and better power delivery that only matters if you're trying to OC a high core count part.
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Kilazar posted:Soooo do I worry about not having that second 4pin for power to the mobo or just let it be? I'm installing windows now. So if your PSU has the outputs, by all means plug em in but don't expect it to change anything other than just spreading the load out over a larger surface area.
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Stickman posted:$500 is definitely a tough price point (and prices are actually up 5-10% for a lot of parts in the last few months). Here's a couple of suggestions for ~$550, plus a 700 build: I think I am going to go with this build. Does it require that I buy anything else? Maybe another fan or two? Looks like the case comes with 1, is that enough?
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Indiana_Krom posted:Probably not, unless you think you will overclock to the point where it will need that much power. Sort of like my motherboard that has two 8 pin aux power inputs, but it is entirely pointless to me because I'll never be clocking my system to the point where the CPU would pull the excess of 500w needed to make connecting the second one necessary (although since my PSU had the outputs I connected it anyway just because I could). Thanks! Nevermind it finally just started working. I had to restart the software. Ok something is still wonky, every video I watch people have a "Lighting Maker" option up top with Overview and Configuration. I only have Overview and configuration. When I set my argb to "customization" I see all the LED's options but nothing happens when I try to click in the grey box where you would select a color. I don't get a color map. Just a "Lighting Effect Undefind effect" in the header of the section. Any thoughts? https://imgur.com/piSjGzd I can use all the default effects. I just don't seem to be able to set it to a custom effect. See imgur image for what I get when I try to set it as customization. Kilazar fucked around with this message at 03:46 on Aug 6, 2019 |
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So now that I've got my computer up, is the Secunia PSI link from the OP still up to date? The link goes to Flexera which seems to be a company for IT software jazz?
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Johnny Truant posted:So now that I've got my computer up, is the Secunia PSI link from the OP still up to date? The link goes to Flexera which seems to be a company for IT software jazz? Secunia PSI was discontinued a while back. I use Patch My PC now.
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So here's my current build buuuut I'm in the market for a new mobo since the ethernet port on it died and sometimes all the USB devices disconnect. I figure I may as well get a slightly better CPU and 2x8GB DDR4 ram while I'm at it.quote:CPU: AMD FX 8320E I listed some vague options for replacements below but I'm not really attached to anything. Is there anything I should DEFINITELY look for? Maybe get a better cooling fan for the CPU if I'm feeling fancy? A specific socket to look for to future proof somewhat? PCPartPicker Part List CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7 GHz 8-Core Processor ($247.89 @ OutletPC) Motherboard: MSI B450 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard ($114.89 @ OutletPC) Memory: G.Skill Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($72.99 @ Newegg) Total: $435.77 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-08-06 02:04 EDT-0400 What country are you in? US What are you using the system for? Games What's your budget? $400-$600? If you're gaming, what is your monitor resolution? How fancy do you want your graphics, from “it runs” to “Ultra preset as fast as possible”? I have two 1080p monitors of different sizes, and I mostly just want games to look nice and run at a steady 60fps (which they pretty much already do tbh)
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Xad posted:So here's my current build buuuut I'm in the market for a new mobo since the ethernet port on it died and sometimes all the USB devices disconnect. I figure I may as well get a slightly better CPU and 2x8GB DDR4 ram while I'm at it. That would be fine for what you want to do, but for just gaming (and especially if your current CPU is just fine for what you do) I’d consider dropping down to a $135 2600 or $145 2600x. At 1080p/60hz you’re unlikely to see a difference in gaming performance for years, and with a B450 you can drop in any second or third (or maybe even fourth) generation Ryzen when it’s starts feeling slow. The Tomahawk is a great choice, but the MSi B450-A Pro is nearly as good and saves you $35 (just a very small power management downgrade, but power management is more than sufficient for even a 2700x (or 3900x!) If you bought your power supply with you CPU, it’s probably getting close to the end of its 5-year warranty - I’d consider replacing it once it’s warranty is up. We generally recommend whatever’s currently cheapest of the Seasonic Focus Plus, EVGA G1+/G2/G3, or Corsair RMx (2018 or 2029). E: If you don’t have a big SSD, that’s another potential add. The 1TB Sabrent Rocket M.2 (gumstick-style) drive is just $110 right now! Stickman fucked around with this message at 08:22 on Aug 6, 2019 |
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