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| Joe Biden, the Inappropriate Toucher |
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18 | 1.46% |
| Bernie Sanders, the Hand Flailer |
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665 | 54.11% |
| Elizabeth Warren, the Plan Maker |
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319 | 25.96% |
| Kamala Harris, the Cop Lord |
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26 | 2.12% |
| Cory Booker, the Super Hero Wannabe |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Julian Castro, the Twin |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Kirsten Gillibrand, the Franken Killer |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Pete Buttigieg, the Troop Sociopath |
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17 | 1.38% |
| Robert Francis O'Rourke, the Fake Latino |
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3 | 0.24% |
| Jay Inslee, the Climate Alarmist |
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8 | 0.65% |
| Marianne Williamson, the Crystal Queen |
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86 | 7.00% |
| Tulsi Gabbard, the Muslim Hater |
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23 | 1.87% |
| Andrew Yang, the $1000 Fool |
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32 | 2.60% |
| Eric Swalwell, the Insurance Wife Guy |
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2 | 0.16% |
| Amy Klobuchar, the Comb Enthusiast |
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1 | 0.08% |
| Bill de Blasio, the NYPD Most Hated |
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4 | 0.33% |
| Tim Ryan, the Dope Face |
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3 | 0.24% |
| John Hickenlooper, the Also Ran |
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Uglycat posted:... who happens to have grown up in South Bend's 2nd District, and lived there through much of Pete's mayoral terms... Yeah, that's not an argument and it's not going anywhere. Mind giving us something besides your personal feelings and a list of your personal connections, accomplishments, and affiliations?
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Koalas March posted:Mayor Pete is racist trash and everyone supporting him is apparently just ok with that because when I talk about how awful he is on race people just ignore me or shrug Yea rich people tend to have real bad opinions.
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Aug 6, 2019 21:05
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Koalas March posted:I post other places than just SA! Traitor scum
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Aug 6, 2019 21:06
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15 billionaires donating to a guy that has a less than zero percent chance of winning the primary lol
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Aug 6, 2019 21:07
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Pete simply has not been given the space to move left on race issues
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Aug 6, 2019 21:08
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Mayor Pete is the real victim here, having been redlined out of the good opinion zone.
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Aug 6, 2019 21:10
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We have to elect the entire city of South Bend to the Presidency so that good ol' Pete can have the space to move left.
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Aug 6, 2019 21:10
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Mayor Pete, like a viscous liquid, always fills in any available space. We can only blame the citizens of South Bend for failing to create that space
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Groovelord Neato posted:15 billionaires donating to a guy that has a less than zero percent chance of winning the primary lol They spent $130m on ¡Jeb! for absolutely no return lol. Have to assume there's some money laundering or something going on, but mostly yeah they are that stupid and that rich
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Aug 6, 2019 21:13
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Mayor Pete is - troop - gay - went to school Isn't that enough checked boxes for you? What more do you want, you vultures? Is nothing good enough? Is there even any way to make you entitled nobodies happy? Why can't you listen to billionaires and their experiences?
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Unoriginal Name posted:68% total?  https://graphics.reuters.com/USA-ELECTION-POLL/0100B05G09P/index.html https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-poll-idUSKCN1UW0Z9 quote:The Aug. 1-5 public opinion poll, released on Tuesday, showed that 22% of Democrats and independents would vote for Biden, a level that is unchanged from a similar poll that ran last month. Another 18% said they supported Sanders, up 2 percentage points from the July poll.
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The Seth Rich debate is weird and pointless because both sides are right. If you think Seth Rich truthers are stupid, you're right, Hillary obviously didn't murder him and perfectly cover her tracks, her dysfunctional campaign couldn't even cover up her Wall Street speeches. And yet, the Seth Rich truthers are also right because the feeling underlying their belief, that Hillary would absolutely no-question not have any compunctions against murdering someone if necessary to grab at political power is 100% correct, she just didn't do it to this particular guy.
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Unoriginal Name posted:68% total? The other 32% went to JEB!
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Koalas March posted:Please convince me otherwise. What has he done for the black folks in his community? For police brutality? Red lining? Yeah, he hosed up that exchange for sure. Looked bad, looked like he somehow didn't anticipate BLM interrupting him. Bernie handled it much better (at least, the second time it happened to him). I spent time in Flint in 2017. Gentrification is a real story there. The homeowners that couldn't leave after the lead poisoned their children and their property values plummeted were saddled with bills of $600 a month for water that they could only use to flush their toilets. If they fell into arrears, a private-public partnership known as the 'Land Trust' would take ownership of their property and evict them. In South Bend, Mayor Lueke (yes, pronounced 'lick-y', lol) signed the EPA's consent decree regarding the Combined Sewer Overflow problem just before handing the reigns over to Pete. This consent decree mandated from the city the spending of half a billion (with a B!) dollars over the course of 20 years. The problem is this: the pretty-good sewer system in South Bend would never dump untreated human feces into the St. Joseph river while in normal operation, but on frequent occasions the city would receive a large amount of rainfall, or the winter's snow would all melt at once, and the sewers would overflow - pouring raw poo poo into the St. Joseph River (which flows into Lake Michigan, then out the St. Lawrence). This consent decree would bring homeowner costs so high that gentrification and displacement of vulnerable people would be inevitable. Pete hired some robotics people to put in remote-controlled valves around the city's sewers, and when a CSO event was anticipated, they'd draw all the untreated sewage well away from the city. His intention was to design a plan more effective than what the EPA proposed (in terms of feces in water), and much cheaper than what the EPA demanded (what's been labeled as pete's 'Smart Sewers' program). His 1000-homes-in-1000 days program did not lead to displacement of minorities. The article you've likely had fed to you is a South Bend Tribune article interviewing a friend of mine, Regina Williams-Preston, about the impact of that program on black people of South Bend. I drove through South Bend this week, and I attended the 24-hour BLM rally in front of the county-city building. I spoke with Regina, here's some footage I took: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujMFZB5xL7E ; I would not presume to speak for her. I attended rallies in south bend for #HandsUpDontShoot, for #Icantbreathe, I attended the million hoodie march. The SBPD (acab!) was gentle and hands-off. Black voices are heard, not silenced, in our community. Pete is not wildly unpopular, as is reported in the press and promoted on social media (by various forces). The west side of South Bend was for Bernie in 2015, and they're for Bernie today - which mutes any expression of support. The BLM rally this weekend was an excellent event, with teach-ins and food not bombs serving food donated by the Linden Grill, the Catholic Worker, and other supportive organizations. But the rally was not well attended. Most of the black activists I know avoided it, because they didn't want to create the illusion that there is strong resistance to Pete coming from South Bend. If you'll allow me to, I can put you in touch with myriad prominent, informed black voices in my hometown. Professors of gender studies, people working for the local democratic party, people on city council, rappers, musicians, visual artists, poets, activists and more. It would be inappropriate for me to speak on their behalf. They're personal friends. The media has misrepresented their viewpoints, making them out to be simple 'we hate pete because he runs a racist institution' when in fact they are (of course!) geniuses with a much more sophisticated take on all of it. And there is not some grand animus against him. I should shed a little light; the 2nd district, before electing Regina, elected Henry Davis Jr. (also a friend, I caught up with him for a moment when I was back in town this weekend as well). Davis was elected to the west side with the support of local black churches whose pastors marched with MLK, and who preach against homosexuality. The city council was fighting to add sexual orientation to the set of classes protected from discrimination, and HDjr was elected to oppose that progress on behalf of the conservative (is that the right word in this context?) black community. Henry's come a long way since, but he did at one point post a photo of a man loving a dog on his fb page, which kinda torpedoed his political clout. The thousand-homes project, which spanned Pete's first term, was not a standard gentrifying tactic - and, it should be added, the city didn't really gentrify (though downtown is starting to feel like a real city, in terms of population, and prices for goods and housing are going up in the downtown area). 1000 homes were identified as 'vacant and abandoned' - nobody lived there. Efforts were made to track down the owners of these structures. Signs were posted outside each one, asking any stakeholder with an interest in the fate of the plot to text a certain number. Community members were able to grab up the derelict properties in their area, and properties that were too far gone were bulldozed - and, again, people in the area were able to obtain the vacant lots. The city committed a lot of resources - cost free to residents - for beautification. They would bring in dumptrucks full of wood chips for free, with just a phone call. He redid the streets on Lincolnway and Western, the Black and Latino communities (respectively) - using evidence-based best practices, as one part of his larger 'Smart Streets' program. The results are appreciated by the people living there. South Bend is a brilliant, progressive community. When we've created room for Pete to move left, he's moved left. When we've raised our voices to air our grievances, he's allowed us to be heard, rather than shouting us down. I mean, how much granularity do you want in reply? I'm familiar with all the players in South Bend politics for the length of Pete's term. I was occupying Hunt Plaza downtown when he was elected.
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I guess nobody made room for him to fire the racist rear end cops in his police department. if only the South bend activists had given him that space!
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Let's examine the Chief Boykins incident, the other issue that's used against him. Boykins, a black man from the local community, was appointed to head up the police department. When he took over, it was his prerogative to change the city's wiretaps. He made no changes. An existing wiretap existed, listening to outgoing calls from the SBPD. This is considered highly illegal, in a federal sense. Early in Pete's first term, a recording was made of an outgoing call from one white SBPD officer to another, and the contents of the recording (that has never been made public) resemble the recent tape between Reagan and Nixon - calling Boykins a 'monkey', and using language akin to shouting the n-word. Worth noting is that police as an institution is inherently racist, and the Klan took measures over the last 50 years to infiltrate every police department - especially in Indiana, a Klan stronghold. Karen DePape, the communications director for SBPD, mailed that tape off to the FBI. The FBI, rather than investigate racism in the department, freaked out about the wiretap, told Pete he *had* to fire Boykins, Depape, and that if they ever find out he ever heard or had possession of the tape they'd come after him too. Obviously, the black community found this outcome unsatisfying. We want to hear the tape, and we want heads to roll. Me, I want the police department disbanded entirely. In the 24 hours I was in front of the courthouse, I saw all of two squad cars drive by.
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Uglycat posted:Obviously, the black community found this outcome unsatisfying. We want Ohhh.... nah. no
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Calibanibal posted:Ohhh.... nah. no Sorry, didn't mean to suggest I speak for the Black population of South Bend. Far from it; I would like their voices amplified, and for the press to be reporting how THEY feel, in THEIR words (rather than making it up and pretending to know). Apologies. Uglycat fucked around with this message at 21:47 on Aug 6, 2019 |
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Lol when she addresses Pete's primary run she says Inslee is better on race than Pete is. That fuckin rules. @13:45ish
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And then when she talks about Pete's 'Douglass Plan' she calls out how he never bothered to implement any element of it in South Bend as mayor
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Koalas March posted:I post other places than just SA! Why? We're the most f-ed up online "family" you could ever ask for!
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Calibanibal posted:Lol when she addresses Pete's primary run she says Inslee is better on race than Pete is. That fuckin rules. @13:45ish The people at the BLM rally downtown seemed to like his 'Douglass Plan.'
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Uglycat posted:Let's examine the Chief Boykins incident, the other issue that's used against him. Boykins, a black man from the local community, was appointed to head up the police department. When he took over, it was his prerogative to change the city's wiretaps. He made no changes.
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Uglycat posted:Let's examine the Chief Boykins incident, the other issue that's used against him. Boykins, a black man from the local community, was appointed to head up the police department. When he took over, it was his prerogative to change the city's wiretaps. He made no changes. Good to know that when the FBI cleared space for him to move right he was flexible and pragmatic enough to do so.
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Helsing posted:Good to know that when the FBI cleared space for him to move right he was flexible and pragmatic enough to do so. Fair. So I've decided the tactical and right thing to do right now, given the state of the Dem Primary and the General, is to create as much space as possible for Pete to move left. It'd be a lot harder if I had to pretend; everything I'm saying is in earnest. And you can say I'm damning him with feint praise; either way, I know that the people of this forum will have a /more informed/ position on him, and given the state of things, that also seems like nudging the future away from fascism and climate catastrophe. I should say, he's bold enough to re-structure entire departments using crowdsourced decision making to decide metrics to watch while favoring (open-source) big-data informed evidence-based best practices. Which is what we need, and something I don't see out of any of the other candidates but Bernie. And Pete would do it more competently than Bernie. And we'd be marginally less rat-hosed.
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Uglycat posted:he's bold enough to re-structure entire departments using crowdsourced decision making to decide metrics to watch while favoring (open-source) big-data informed evidence-based best practices.
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Unoriginal Name posted:68% total? Chart excludes poll respondents who selected “Other” or “I can’t/won’t vote in the Democratic primary”.
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Uglycat posted:I should say, he's bold enough to re-structure entire departments using crowdsourced decision making to decide metrics to watch while favoring (open-source) big-data informed evidence-based best practices.
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Helsing posted:It takes a special kind of "anarchist" to think that a cop loving soldier who worked at loving McKinsey would be more "competent" than a people power style social democrat. An interesting way to come at me. Fair. ACAB and gently caress McKinsey. Still, look at the field of candidates. e - you (and an army of sockpuppets) would have a hard time turning Antifa and the Indigenous movements against me, though. Personal friends with many effective, influential, legit radical players. I fully expect a thorough and public character assassination for the position I'm publicly staking here. Uglycat fucked around with this message at 22:22 on Aug 6, 2019 |
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Helsing posted:It takes a special kind of "anarchist" to think that a cop loving soldier who worked at loving McKinsey would be more "competent" than a people power style social democrat. Don't forget having respect for someone's resume, and being impressed by re-structuring entire departments using crowdsourced decision making to decide metrics while favoring open-source, big-data informed, evidence-based best practices.
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Uglycat posted:Fair. And the rest of us see how Pete has abused data collection and secrecy to hide the disparate impacts of his choices and know that we can’t trust him to ever buzzword away anything, let alone do it better than Bernie.
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Uglycat posted:I should say, he's bold enough to re-structure entire departments using crowdsourced decision making to decide metrics to watch while favoring (open-source) big-data informed evidence-based best practices. That, uh...kind of strikes me as more of an anarcho-libertarian prescription than anything remotely socialist. 
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Majorian posted:That, uh...kind of strikes me as more of an anarcho-libertarian prescription than anything remotely socialist. I was one of the architects of the political wing of Anonymous. It was an alliance of anarcho-capitalists and anarcho-socialists fighting a cult, and I got the two to mix by framing it as 'Voluntarism.' A decade hence, I've watched a lot of the anarcho-capitalists go hard white nationalist. Weev was part of #Marblecake. They love-bombed Chelsea when she got out. I'm an anarchist. I don't believe in any (capital-L) Legitimate (capital-G) Government, such that I have any moral duty to obey. I stick to non-hierarchical structures, favoring the General Assembly method over Robert's Rules, and operate by consensus (which was my hacker name) except when in an indigenous led resistance camp (a frequent occurrence). I'm antifa, which is an anarchist-socialist alliance, but I'm anarchist. I was libertarian for a long time. Ambrose Bierce's definition of 'Land', in 'The Devil's Dictionary', and meeting a shitton more actual humans across a wide and diverse spread, rid me of that horrible, racist belief system. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Uglycat posted:I was one of the architects of the political wing of Anonymous. It was an alliance of anarcho-capitalists and anarcho-socialists fighting a cult, and I got the two to mix by framing it as 'Voluntarism.' A decade hence, I've watched a lot of the anarcho-capitalists go hard white nationalist. Weev was part of #Marblecake. They love-bombed Chelsea when she got out. Right, but what you described in the snippet I quoted was about as "market place of ideas"-y as it gets. You can say you're an anarcho-leftist all you want, but when you advocate poo poo like this, you sound an awful lot like, well, just a libertarian.
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