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when you aggressively punish everyone who doesn't toe the npr line on venezuela there's nothing to debate and discuss
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Listen, by even suggesting that things can be worse, you are downplaying the current situation. As a result, the only moral thing to do is to make things worse, because to not make things worse would be ignoring the sacrifice of everyone who has suffered under the status quo.
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since people are already going hungry in Venezuela things obviously cannot get any worse and so it's perfectly justified to cut off all food imports.
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Aug 8, 2019 18:46
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im surprised you wouldnt at the least try to draw a meaningless pedantic distinction between a ship being seized and a ship being ordered never to go to venezuela while en route
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I'm not sure exactly what good nationalization would do at this point since Venezuela is already a food importer. The state isn't going to be capable of importing foods any better than private companies under the conditions of the embargo. total nationalization
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Aug 8, 2019 19:00
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I'm not sure exactly what good nationalization would do at this point since Venezuela is already a food importer. The state isn't going to be capable of importing foods any better than private companies under the conditions of the embargo. the affluent and whiter enclaves aren't having food shortages, claim that and distribute it fairly if any of them object, expropriate their homes and revoke their citizenship, let them go begging to the imperialists like worked out so well for the defectors
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Aug 8, 2019 19:04
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Epic High Five posted:the affluent and whiter enclaves aren't having food shortages, claim that and distribute it fairly
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Aug 8, 2019 19:09
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Aug 8, 2019 19:10
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Epic High Five posted:lmao the D&D thread is indeed just crickets and tumbleweeds for some reason john bolton stating he refuses to do anything if maduro is allowed to take part is actually maduro's fault
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Aug 8, 2019 19:11
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comedyblissoption posted:just a reminder that a d&der waddled in here pulling up his trousers to proclaim that this is propaganda and such filth should be banned from social media um weren't people like literally walking around on video in these stores and there was tons of food around? lmao the neogusanos or whatever the mengele-eichmanns are called now are taking this to PragerU levels of "actually this never happened, the videos are fake and you cannot trust your memory, only us"
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Aug 8, 2019 19:12
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the misleading claim is that such videos are trying to paint a picture that there is no food crisis in venezuela when the intent of the videos as narrated by the journalists during the videos themselves is to show that selectively there is no food crisis in certain sectors of venezuelan society to counteract the false mainstream narratives
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Aug 8, 2019 19:17
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even the random youtube travel vlogger who just goes around pointing cameras at things (i assume he was not paid by maduro) expressed an unease with the stark contrast between the poor and affluent sectors of venezuelan society
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Aug 8, 2019 19:18
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during the great depression in the US we had what were called food riots this meant a bunch of angry hungry americans formed a mob and ran into grocery stores and pulled food off the shelves people starving to death don't just go ok i guess i'll go lie in this ditch and die now if there's food all around them unless you have a lot of men with guns telling them to go away (note that one of the issues in the american great depression was a problem of food overproduction causing market failures and not because there was too little food)
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Aug 8, 2019 19:21
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Epic High Five posted:the affluent and whiter enclaves aren't having food shortages, claim that and distribute it fairly they're about to once this embargo fully takes affect.
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Aug 8, 2019 19:23
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instead of disbanding ICE, what if we just re-purpose it for reactionary expats
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Aug 8, 2019 19:23
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Honestly an invasion and US loss would probably be better in the long term than this insidious drawn-out starvation campaign
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Aug 8, 2019 19:40
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Vilerat Rereg posted:Honestly an invasion and US loss would probably be better in the long term than this insidious drawn-out starvation campaign Ignoring the fact that US invasion would also come with massive civillian bombing campaigns using white phosphorous and other chemical weapons like we did to Iraq
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Aug 8, 2019 19:47
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420 Gank Mid posted:Ignoring the fact that US invasion would also come with massive civillian bombing campaigns using white phosphorous and other chemical weapons like we did to Iraq yes but it's the only way forward -vuenuezla ex pats living in america
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Aug 8, 2019 19:58
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hosed up that maduro is weaponizing food by embargoing guaido's country
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Aug 8, 2019 20:10
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Well the blood is entirely on Maduro’s and colectivo gangsters’ hands is they refuse to unconditionally surrender and disband to prevent this tragedy.
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Aug 8, 2019 20:11
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look at this goofball https://twitter.com/ericfarns/status/1159312579094818816?s=20 quote:Former White House, State Department, USTR, now @ASCOA. Western Hemisphere stuff, mostly. Also trade, China, global affairs. Frequent media commentary.
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Atrocious Joe posted:look at this goofball that resume and not even a blue check what a cuck
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Atrocious Joe posted:look at this goofball motherfucker's still using a Blackberry
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Aug 9, 2019 02:48
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the nyt is a legit news source while telesur et al etc etc etc you're a mark
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"Inside Venezuela's Homeless Houses (Abandoned Hotel Bad Conditions)" It's important that I show both sides. Come along for a guided tour by neutral everyday locals. *gets out of new mercedes g-wagon* Corky Romanovsky has issued a correction as of 22:34 on Aug 11, 2019 |
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I don’t have the tweet handy but Ben Norton and Max Blumenthal are (still?) in Venezuela making videos and stuff again.
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Lightning Knight posted:I don’t have the tweet handy but Ben Norton and Max Blumenthal are (still?) in Venezuela making videos and stuff again. quote:https://twitter.com/TitusMichaeleus/status/1160602825682014213 anyway it looks like Argentina just had an election and a left-wing party won?
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gradenko_2000 posted:anyway it looks like Argentina just had an election and a left-wing party won? It's not an election, it's like a "qualifying round." Candidates needed at least 1.5% of the vote to qualify to the first round of voting in october, and the opposition got 47%. If the vote totals repeat in October it will mean the opposition wins without a run off. It's the likely result because voting is mandatory and so something like 75% voted this time around, so the government would need to flip 15% of voters to win in October.
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gradenko_2000 posted:anyway it looks like Argentina just had an election and a left-wing party won? Just a primary vote, which doesn't do much but gauge the direction the electorate is in. It was amusing though, they partnered with some company to tally the results, said it would all be transparent and online by 9pm local time. That time came and passed, no news, page blank. Eventually the president came on to say they had a disappointing result and promised to do better in the general, all while the results still weren't available. lol, eventually they did come and it was 47% vs 32%.
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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...e-idUSKCN1V104Hquote:“This is something that nobody expected. Nobody had these numbers. All the pollsters have failed.” time for capitalist panic
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Aug 12, 2019 05:14
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how long until the CIA gets him thrown in jail on bogus charges to ensure the markets are protected
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Epic High Five posted:how long until the CIA gets him thrown in jail on bogus charges to ensure the markets are protected Cristina Fernandez? She has like 6 major corruption scandals under her belt and she's still winning lol
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Aug 12, 2019 05:27
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Frijolero posted:Cristina Fernandez? lmao that rules
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In a normal world, Fernandez and Lula would be corrupt idiots who shouldn't be allowed to run for dog catcher. But because we live in Cold War II and fascism reigns, they are actually noble populists who absolutely need to be back in power nationalizing poo poo away from the neoliberal ghouls.
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I think it’s Cristina Kirchner (former president and Vice President of the Fernadez ticket) who is the one with corruption charges against her. I don’t know anything about Alberto Fernandez though.
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Oh my bad. Yeah, still cool tho
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Frijolero posted:In a normal world, Fernandez and Lula would be corrupt idiots who shouldn't be allowed to run for dog catcher. But because we live in Cold War II and fascism reigns, they are actually noble populists who absolutely need to be back in power nationalizing poo poo away from the neoliberal ghouls. Lula's not very corrupt at all, op. Like, even if we take Moro's accusations against him seriously, which we shouldn't, it's so drat low-level.
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Majorian posted:Lula's not very corrupt at all, op. Like, even if we take Moro's accusations against him seriously, which we shouldn't, it's so drat low-level. For the record, I think corruption is good if it's used to advance popular causes and fight poverty, especially if you don't get caught. I called them idiots because they got caught.
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Frijolero posted:For the record, I think corruption is good if it's used to advance popular causes and fight poverty, especially if you don't get caught. I called them idiots because they got caught. Lula didn't get "caught," he got framed.
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Frijolero posted:For the record, I think corruption is good if it's used to advance popular causes and fight poverty, especially if you don't get caught. I called them idiots because they got caught. Lula didn't get caught, and he wasn't corrupt. The Lava Jato investigation was a right-wing, US-lead effort to sabotage the Worker's Party government and the Brasilian economy to prevent them from being able to make any kind of progress. https://fair.org/home/brian-mier-on-brazilian-political-scandal/ https://theintercept.com/series/secret-brazil-archive/
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