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Thronde posted:Wasn't there no one actively on the bridge of the Alric and it was autopilot? That would make VHF and warning the other vessel kinda moot. Uh, what FV said. Basically you're so far off you should just be reading any of the reports issued before talking about it.
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SpaceSDoorGunner posted:Plus a destroyer can by ship standards stop on a dime. That tanker didn’t have a skeleton crew, if anything it was on the big-crew side. Skeleton crew is around 8-12 people for a cargo ship. We had a breakdown of the different level of training merchant marine OOW and US Navy SWO get before they’re allowed on a bridge and it didn’t even compare. It’s somewhere ITT around the time of the collision IIRC.
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FrozenVent posted:That tanker didn’t have a skeleton crew, if anything it was on the big-crew side. What I mean to say is the bridge crew on the cargo ship would be considered completely and recklessly inadequate by Navy standards and have a tiny fraction of the sensor capabilities of the destroyer yet the cargo ship had a far better grasp of the situation. Also yeah SWO training is a loving joke. I don't understand why SWOs aren't required to be certified like Merchant Mariners, most don't even seem to have basic Mariner poo poo like how light configurations tell you about a ships relative bearing or whatnot down.
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MrMojok posted:Is there a sub-specific Navy thread, or would it just fall under this one? Was hoping to read stories from Navy goons about life on subs. Look up the script of The Hunt for Red October and read it while in a bathtub reenacting scenes with toy submarines. If you have a male friend, have him stand over your shoulder naked.
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Isn't the smaller ship supposed to give way for the larger ship anyways? You shouldn't be moving in a shipping channel like you're driving home on the freeway.
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orange juche posted:Isn't the smaller ship supposed to give way for the larger ship anyways No.
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orange juche posted:Isn't the smaller ship supposed to give way for the larger ship anyways? You shouldn't be moving in a shipping channel like you're driving home on the freeway. I'm pretty sure this is defined by the ColRegs, everything changes due to context. A tug pulling a load restricted by a channel is in a different situation that a sailboat out for a cruise but everyone is responsible in doing their best to avoid a collision, no matter who is the give way vessel. Edit: Just to clarify this is not to imply the Alnic was at fault. It's why they did almost everything to prevent the collision. lightpole fucked around with this message at 00:18 on Aug 7, 2019 |
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Aug 6, 2019 22:24
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There’s no interpretation of the colregs where the McCain wasn’t the five-way vessel and while the Alnic didn’t take all possible actions to avoid a collision (they didn’t crash stop), the NTSB makes it very clear there was nothing they could have done, unless they’d somehow knew of the McCain’s steering troubles as soon as they happened. Again, the report makes this very clear and is a short read.
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FrozenVent posted:The Alnic has the master, who had the conn, the OOW and two lookouts. The vessel was on auto pilot but that’s standard for cargo vessels since it frees up another person for lookout. Ah, okay, that makes more sense. I just recalled reading the initial reports making it sound like Alnic had no one on the bridge. Yeah, totally Navy's fault.
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Thronde, you might be thinking of the Fitz case. The Cyrstal didn't have a lot of people on the bridge (maybe 1, which isn't uncommon) when we steered in front of them. The Master claimed that they were flashing lights at us, but I think that was just to try and cover his rear end. I'm reading through the report now, and while some of the information is new (that this occurred over a 3 minute period) a lot of it corresponds to what I'd heard and known about the situation. It's still frustrating to know that this didn't have to happen, and that had the CO taken a different approach (not split the helm and other items) we likely wouldn't have lost 10 more sailors that summer.
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The Valley Stared posted:Thronde, you might be thinking of the Fitz case. The Cyrstal didn't have a lot of people on the bridge (maybe 1, which isn't uncommon) when we steered in front of them. The Master claimed that they were flashing lights at us, but I think that was just to try and cover his rear end. You're right, I was, my mistake.
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I'm 30 days out from detaching from FC A school and heading back to the fleet. Last night we secured the student smoke deck. Chief is willing to keep it secured until the sun burns out or we get the name of the student who was vaping in ranks during march out the night before.
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Aug 7, 2019 15:41
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Day 2 of the students smoke deck secured until the Vapist identifies themself: a student is turned in by classmates for camping in the student loung, lmfao god damnit 29 days and counting.
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Aug 8, 2019 02:48
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just ban all tobacco products along with the hemp
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Aug 8, 2019 04:53
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My favorite part about this situation is that a is so pissed about someone hitting a juul while marching as if marching in formation is a time honored navy tradition that we do every day.
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Aug 8, 2019 12:21
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Our new temporary while our actual Chief is TAD on a deployment has literally attempted to deny every. single. solitary. leave chit that passes through her greasy weeaboo hands. The reasons are variable, but are frequently wrong (person at the command longer than her is somehow still on orientation!), nonsensical(E2 hasn't completed PO indoc) or incredibly petty (some random form or task she told nobody about hasn't been done). Our final approver just ignores her at his point, and everyone after her seems to love to annotate corrections to why all her reasons are wrong now lol.
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I'm heading out to Naples in a few days for AT, and not a single soul at my unit has returned any calls or emails I've sent over the last two weeks regarding where the gently caress I go once I show up. 🤷♂️
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PneumonicBook posted:I'm heading out to Naples in a few days for AT, and not a single soul at my unit has returned any calls or emails I've sent over the last two weeks regarding where the gently caress I go once I show up. Hey I’ll be there on orders all of next year there. Would love some up to date info on what’s there once you get back.
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LingcodKilla posted:Hey I’ll be there on orders all of next year there. Would love some up to date info on what’s there once you get back. Are you not becoming a salty Sailor?
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LingcodKilla posted:Hey I’ll be there on orders all of next year there. Would love some up to date info on what’s there once you get back. Still going to that aluminum thing?
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Mr. Bad Guy posted:Day 2 of the students smoke deck secured until the Vapist identifies themself: a student is turned in by classmates for camping in the student loung, lmfao god damnit 29 days and counting. You need to punish all the snitches too
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shovelbum posted:Still going to that aluminum thing? Yes. Orders in hand and medical complete.
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LingcodKilla posted:Yes. Orders in hand and medical complete. Nice I think I have some classmates in the engine room on that one, the people who went msc seem weirdly happy about their careers vs the guys sailing commercial, despite all logic
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shovelbum posted:Nice I think I have some classmates in the engine room on that one, the people who went msc seem weirdly happy about their careers vs the guys sailing commercial, despite all logic Well that’s good to hear it has a happy crew. It being so small I’m sure it hard to avoid people.
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LingcodKilla posted:Hey I’ll be there on orders all of next year there. Would love some up to date info on what’s there once you get back. At Capo or Support?
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PneumonicBook posted:At Capo or Support? On a USNS ship based in Naples. That’s pretty much all I know besides it moves around a bunch.
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Guys I knew that did med USNS like it as long as you make a point to actually see poo poo when you can. Find all the cool little hole-in-the-wall spots around Rota, Sigonella, and Souda. Fwiw I did 11mo 6F BMD so we hit Souda all the time and I never got tired of Xania.
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Kalessin ofSelidor posted:Guys I knew that did med USNS like it as long as you make a point to actually see poo poo when you can. Find all the cool little hole-in-the-wall spots around Rota, Sigonella, and Souda. Fwiw I did 11mo 6F BMD so we hit Souda all the time and I never got tired of Xania. Yeah I’m old as gently caress and every time I get sent anywhere I’m constantly seeking out stuff to see and visit. Don’t got time for bars or sitting in my quarters playing video games. Souda looks amazing. Welcome to the forums btw. Nice to see new people or are your a rereg?
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Thanks, new to the forums yeah. Wife’s had an account forever and recently managed to talk me into one. Granted not sure how long y’all would be in port at a time, but Crete also had some cool hiking scenes that some people took advantage of. Think some went to some of the old Minoan temples and all.
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Kalessin ofSelidor posted:Thanks, new to the forums yeah. Wife’s had an account forever and recently managed to talk me into one. Holy poo poo, a new Gipper. Welcome to GiP, glad you joined us. I take it from your posts your a Navy guy?
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Kalessin ofSelidor posted:Thanks, new to the forums yeah. Wife’s had an account forever and recently managed to talk me into one. NEW BLOOD
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Synopsis is: Navy, former SWO, current EDO
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Kalessin ofSelidor posted:Synopsis is: Navy, former SWO, current EDO Goddamn another noble.
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PneumonicBook posted:Goddamn another noble. heh
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PneumonicBook posted:Goddamn another noble. Does it make it any better that most the folks on my ships had a hard time believing I wasn’t a prior because I wasn’t like the academy dipshits and really took care of my folks ? 
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Kalessin ofSelidor posted:Does it make it any better that most the folks on my ships had a hard time believing I wasn’t a prior because I wasn’t like the academy dipshits and really took care of my folks ? orange juche posted:Hang all nobles
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Kalessin ofSelidor posted:Does it make it any better that most the folks on my ships had a hard time believing I wasn’t a prior because I wasn’t like the academy dipshits and really took care of my folks ? I swear I haven’t met a single prior enlisted officer that was worth a poo poo. It’s like they’re all the worst parts of officers and enlisted.
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