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Framboise posted:You typically wouldn't build around an individual card. You can build around a strategy though, and packing your deck full of Wheels is not bad when cards like Waste Not, Notion Thief, new Narset, Smothering Tithe, etc exist. Granted, none of these work well at the same time but they're all great wheel enhancers. I mean, the very best edh decks are food chain and protean hulk
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Sampatrick posted:I mean, the very best edh decks are food chain and protean hulk Najeela mid-range, Thrasios/Tymna Good Stuff, and Kess Pact are arguably better than Food Chain. The various Hulk decks are definitely top 2 archetypes, though.
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Aug 8, 2019 20:50
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I see that there are a lot of black cards to bring back creatures but are there any (or blue) to bring back planeswalkers or other permanents? All I know of is The Eldest Reborn
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Aug 8, 2019 21:13
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CODChimera posted:I see that there are a lot of black cards to bring back creatures but are there any (or blue) to bring back planeswalkers or other permanents? All I know of is The Eldest Reborn Command the Dreadhorde
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Aug 8, 2019 21:17
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Primeval's Glorious Rebirth works if you're dipping into white
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Aug 8, 2019 21:28
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CODChimera posted:I see that there are a lot of black cards to bring back creatures but are there any (or blue) to bring back planeswalkers or other permanents? All I know of is The Eldest Reborn Command the Dreadhorde, Obzedat's Aid, The Eldest Reborn, Primevals' Glorious Rebirth. Edit: Technically, Sun Titan and Emeria Shepherd can snag walkers, too. 
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Aug 8, 2019 21:29
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I think this series seems sweet. There's decent reprints for playability if not necessarily for value, and a lot of the new printings are very cool
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Aug 8, 2019 23:18
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Lol, no. Outside of basic lands and Sol Ring each of these decka has maybe 5 playable cards. The reprints are trash and the players should be revolting after 2 years of this poo poo.
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Aug 8, 2019 23:27
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Toshimo posted:the players should be revolting Oh, they are.
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Aug 8, 2019 23:30
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The players are always revolting. Now, they should be rebelling. Edit: at one point, two of the top five valued cards were just because they get played in pauper (Ash Barrens and Prismatic Strands).
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Aug 8, 2019 23:32
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Toshimo posted:Lol, no. Outside of basic lands and Sol Ring each of these decka has maybe 5 playable cards. Pretty much. I'm still probably going to buy this madness deck just because though. The others are complete rear end.
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Aug 8, 2019 23:38
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I mean, they know people are going to buy them, so they don't have any particular reason to really bother making sure they're actually quality 
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Aug 9, 2019 00:05
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TheKingofSprings posted:I mean, they know people are going to buy them, so they don't have any particular reason to really bother making sure they're actually quality And they also know dumbfucks on the internet are going to white knight for them and straight up lie to people about how good they are, which is where we are at in this here thread right now.
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Aug 9, 2019 00:10
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Rude
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Toshimo posted:And they also know dumbfucks on the internet are going to white knight for them and straight up lie to people about how good they are, which is where we are at in this here thread right now. Well if you want to play the Morph deck, there's like 30 playable cards for it in that precon. They were really limited in how lovely they could make the deck anyway because no one's buying a Commander precon that's full of the generic vanilla and french vanilla 5/3s, 4/4s, and what have you that make up most of the morphs in Magic's history. That's as far as I'll stand up for these. Edit: Actually they aren't terrible for new players who aren't into the whole cEDH thing. LifeLynx fucked around with this message at 01:35 on Aug 9, 2019 |
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Aug 9, 2019 00:42
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Salvor_Hardin posted:Command the Dreadhorde Excellent thank you AlternateNu posted:Command the Dreadhorde, Obzedat's Aid, The Eldest Reborn, Primevals' Glorious Rebirth. Ill probably get the Naya deck because I was making one anyway and I really like some of the new cards in it. And you get a lightning greaves! Really don't see 10 tokens being enough though, even if they are double sided...
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Aug 9, 2019 00:49
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Gonna order the 8 playable cards from C19 for the price of one precon. Seems like a win.
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Aug 9, 2019 00:54
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Is every magic product nothing but the ratio of the price of the singles over the msrp to you guys? This thread has an intense fascination with mtg finance that I don't understand. They're printing neat weird cards for the kitchen table format. Who says they have to cater to you weirdos anyway.
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Magic Underwear posted:Is every magic product nothing but the ratio of the price of the singles over the msrp to you guys? This thread has an intense fascination with mtg finance that I don't understand. They're printing neat weird cards for the kitchen table format. Who says they have to cater to you weirdos anyway. It's just a few of the more vocal members. Most of us understand their purpose and enjoy the few cards we want to try out.
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Aug 9, 2019 01:28
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Personally, as far as these precons go, I don't care quite as much about the value of the cards as I do how well they work in high-level/competitive play because that's the style of EDH that I and the rest of my playgroup play. Last year didn't have much in the way of financial value but I bought the Aminatou and Estrid decks anyway because I felt the commander options were cool and I wanted some of the reprints in there. That was reason enough for me. I thought the Windgrace deck was a mess and didn't have anything I really wanted in it, and I had most of the cards in the Saheeli deck, so I didn't bother. It's also why the only deck I care about from this set so far is the madness one because all the commanders seem cool. I'm not about to buy the others when the few cards I do want from them will not cost much and the rest does not interest me. but that said idk man maybe financial value is kind of a thing for people who enjoy collecting things and why we don't just play with bits of cut out printer paper with "Lightning Bolt" written on them
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Aug 9, 2019 01:35
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The decks look cool to me . I don’t really care about the value in them because I already have my own commander decks and wouldn’t be buying these anyway. They look like a fun starting point to playing commander, which I assume was the whole point of these decks in the first place. There’s a few cards that I might be interested in picking up, so that’s a nice bonus.
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Magic Underwear posted:Is every magic product nothing but the ratio of the price of the singles over the msrp to you guys? This thread has an intense fascination with mtg finance that I don't understand. They're printing neat weird cards for the kitchen table format. Who says they have to cater to you weirdos anyway. some people are dumbed up in the head and think that every single product has to be for them
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Aug 9, 2019 01:42
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Which is the one that stores are going to mark up at least $10 more than the rest?
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Magic Underwear posted:Is every magic product nothing but the ratio of the price of the singles over the msrp to you guys? This thread has an intense fascination with mtg finance that I don't understand. They're printing neat weird cards for the kitchen table format. Who says they have to cater to you weirdos anyway. So there's a hidden aspect to the value argument. If the cards in a Commander deck are not worth at least what it costs on the shelves, that means that not only are there not desirable reprints, there aren't any new cards good enough to catch up to MSRP. In that situation — even if you like the deck concept! it's OK to like non-competitive deck concepts! — you're better off taking your $40 and buying singles to put your own spin on the deck, including whichever $0.20 cards in the new deck genuinely caught your eye. Not every Commander deck reprint needs to be Wurmcoil Engine. Not every new Commander card needs to be Flusterstorm or Teferi's Protection. But things like Grave Pact or Baleful Strix or the Confluences would go a long way toward avoiding the unintentional appearance of "this is for players who don't know better."
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LifeLynx posted:Which is the one that stores are going to mark up at least $10 more than the rest? The only one anyone seems to want in whole or individual cards from is the madness one so
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After seeing the full decklist, yeah, I'm in. Madness deck is cool.
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do you guys also get super mad at the continued existence of Planeswalker decks? Because thats basically what these are for EDH.
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A Moose posted:do you guys also get super mad at the continued existence of Planeswalker decks? Because thats basically what these are for EDH. I mean there was a guy complaining they wasted a good piece of art on one of the planeswalker deck synergy cards, so yes
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It's not even the reprints for me. This is where they have room to make cards specifically for commander as a format and the last two years haven't seen much in the way of cards that make me go "hey, I'd like to play this in a deck". I've had more desire to take cards from Modern Horizons or War of the Spark and play commander with them than anything from C18 or C19. It's a huge format and I'm sure people will buy the gently caress out of these decks like they do every year, but that doesn't mean they're good. WotC has made good precons in the past, either with new cards (essentially every year of commander products except for the last two) or with only reprints (whatever those standard ready "almost but not quite meta decks" series is called), so it's disappointing to see the product targeted toward the main format I play feeling like a wet fart.
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A Moose posted:do you guys also get super mad at the continued existence of Planeswalker decks? Because thats basically what these are for EDH. Not really? Planeswalker decks are specifically made for new players and they make a point to not have anything of interest for competitive players while the commander precons have generally had a "something for everyone" feel to them, whether you're getting them because you're new and starting your collection (and they've, historically, had good reprints in there for that purpose), or whether you're a seasoned player who wants to try new commanders or playstyles.
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What’s annoying is that established players don’t want to spend $40 or $130-$160 for a set when they can get the dozen cards they want for $50. When all wizards has to do to entice people is reprint some cards that badly need reprinting for the first time in 20 years. How hard is it to find a spot for aura shards or rhystic study? I’m sure there’s like 50 cards worth $5-$10 that can fit into any commander deck with that color that they could have slipped a couple of into each deck. Each deck coming with a shock land would have been a huge selling point. Then when wizards doesn’t sell enough decks and major retailers get stuck with unsold cases wizards decides the following year to make an announcement that they’re gonna take a break from commander because that’s what the consumer wants.
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Framboise posted:Not really? Planeswalker decks are specifically made for new players and they make a point to not have anything of interest for competitive players while the commander precons have generally had a "something for everyone" feel to them, whether you're getting them because you're new and starting your collection (and they've, historically, had good reprints in there for that purpose), or whether you're a seasoned player who wants to try new commanders or playstyles. as a person who only plays limited, commander decks should have something for me, but they don't, so they most definitely do not have something for everyone
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if we're splitting hairs like this then please allow me to append what i felt was obvious within context "something for everyone when it comes to edh"
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Lone Goat posted:as a person who only plays limited, commander decks should have something for me, but they don't, so they most definitely do not have something for everyone lmao if you don't draft with commander precons with the basic lands taken out
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Aug 9, 2019 04:12
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You could probably mash a bunch of precons together and make a cube or something
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Someone local is doing a limited commander tourney. I think it's 2 packs of dominaria, battlebond and War, then 6 more packs of your choice from the last few years.
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Aug 9, 2019 04:17
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Framboise posted:if we're splitting hairs like this then please allow me to append what i felt was obvious within context there's EDH cards in the EDH set. if you want singles, buy singles! the system works!!
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Lone Goat posted:there's EDH cards in the EDH set. if you want singles, buy singles! the system works!! People want better EDH cards is the issue. This set has some interesting designs that are tuned so low on power that they're unimpressive in a battle of the precons and straight unplayable anywhere else.
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Voyager I posted:People want better EDH cards is the issue. This set has some interesting designs that are tuned so low on power that they're unimpressive in a battle of the precons and straight unplayable anywhere else. edh is the format where people get mad at you if you win, so if anything, bad edh cards is what the people want!
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