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sincx posted:edit: supporting any cop in any country for any reason in C-SPAM should be a probation at a minimum DSA thread gonna be upset to hear it
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Aug 12, 2019 00:52
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:yeah thats why social democracy has experienced a near total collapse across the entire developed world over the last 30 years, the electoral college. you are a moron He mentioned first past the post and gerrymandering too you prick. Let’s add “money politics” into the pile too while we’re at it.
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Aug 12, 2019 00:59
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iceaim posted:He mentioned first past the post and gerrymandering too you prick. Let’s add “money politics” into the pile too while we’re at it. ah yes notable problems in Europe, where the social democratic decline is most clear, fptp and gerrymandering
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Aug 12, 2019 01:01
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420 Gank Mid posted:DSA thread gonna be upset to hear it I still can't believe they voted for that antifa wg thing, either they're playing 12D chess to honeypot cops or they're just incredible dumb Sheng-Ji Yang posted:ah yes notable problems in Europe, where the social democratic decline is most clear, fptp and gerrymandering You know what's really funny, a lot of the austerity in europe was put in and is being enforced by social democratic parties, when capital truly tests succdems they'll buckle just like syriza did even when they overwhelmingly won the the anti-austerity refrendum Doc Neutral has issued a correction as of 01:07 on Aug 12, 2019 |
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Aug 12, 2019 01:04
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:ah yes notable problems in Europe, where the social democratic decline is most clear, fptp and gerrymandering yeah let’s just shove a communist dictatorship down everyone’s throat instead. That hasn’t failed in spectacular ways. Let’s totally ignore countries like Sweden that managed to offer better social welfare than any communist state ever could.
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Aug 12, 2019 01:08
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the collapse of center left movements in basically every developed country in the world is because the rules are slightly wrong. please ignore the fact that all those countries have significantly different political systems. all we got to do is fix the rule book a bit and were right as rain. *sad but firm narrator voice* this is your brain on liberalism
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Aug 12, 2019 01:09
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iceaim posted:yeah let’s just shove a communist dictatorship down everyone’s throat instead. That hasn’t failed in spectacular ways. we need to do the first thing but make sure we do it everywhere this time instead of trying to pull it off with just poor war-torn countries, yeah. despite that we gave it a hell of a go last time
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Aug 12, 2019 01:11
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:we need to do the first thing but make sure we do it everywhere this time instead of trying to pull it off with just poor war-torn countries, yeah. despite that we gave it a hell of a go last time Yeah it was one hell of a go. Millions of deaths. So your solution is to go full 1984! It’ll surely work then and not result in maladministration.
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Aug 12, 2019 01:19
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:ah yes notable problems in Europe, where the social democratic decline is most clear, fptp and gerrymandering If anything the issues with Europe are more issues with the unwillingness of France and Germany to share any of their gains with the south, and a refusal to federalize meaning that there's no real way to force that if you're not in Germany or France. Europe also has a pretty severe issue with technocrats in the EU institutions that are almost totally without oversight or a way to boot them if they're loving things up. The lack of federalization is the biggest issue since it allows Germany and France to rent-seek from South Europe and the disparity in incomes causes nationalism to rise; in the south because they're being exploited, in the north because the exploitation of the south plus free movement leads to immigration, which is being exploited by nationalist factions within the north. It's kinda the same thing you see in the US with Trump? An exploitation of the global south leading to etc etc. also how is this the most contentious thread in cpsam
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Aug 12, 2019 01:20
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iceaim posted:Yeah it was one hell of a go. Millions of deaths. And your solution is to go full 1984! Hundreds of millions of deaths are easily attributable to the capitalism of the past few centuries, plus a pending death toll of $EARTHS_POPULATION when the climate emergency goes unaddressed and the clathrate guns fire off.
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Aug 12, 2019 01:21
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iceaim posted:Yeah it was one hell of a go. Millions of deaths. So your solution is to go full 1984! It’ll surely work then and not result in maladministration. lmao
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Aug 12, 2019 01:22
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iceaim posted:Yeah it was one hell of a go. Millions of deaths. So your solution is to go full 1984! It’ll surely work then and not result in maladministration. quote:While in their reading of Russian history they pursue the repression of the Second Time of Troubles, for the great Asian country they skip over the Century of Humiliation (the period that stretches from the First Opium War to the seizure of power by the communists). Just as in Russia, in China it’s ultimately the revolution led by the communist party that saves the nation and even the state. In the biography of Mao Zedong earlier cited, not only do they ignore the historical background briefly restated here, but they blame the Chinese communist leader for most of the horrors caused by the starvation and famines that affected China. A rigorous silence is maintained with regard to the embargo imposed on that great Asia country after the communists came to power. ___ Grapplejack posted:If anything the issues with Europe are more issues with the unwillingness of France and Germany to share any of their gains with the south I mean yeah as it turns out imperialism IS the highest form of capitalism
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Aug 12, 2019 01:26
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iceaim posted:Yeah it was one hell of a go. Millions of deaths. So your solution is to go full 1984! It’ll surely work then and not result in maladministration. yes, and yes.
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Aug 12, 2019 01:30
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SKULL.GIF posted:Hundreds of millions of deaths are easily attributable to the capitalism of the past few centuries, plus a pending death toll of $EARTHS_POPULATION when the climate emergency goes unaddressed and the clathrate guns fire off. Yeah sure. Communist states past or present never have a disastrous environmental policy. iceaim has issued a correction as of 01:57 on Aug 12, 2019 |
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Aug 12, 2019 01:34
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...as opposed to the endless environmental disasters caused by imperialist and capitalist states in the present? Communism isn't automatically eco-Stalinism, no, but it sure isn't going to be any worse than capitalism in that regard.
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Aug 12, 2019 01:38
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gradenko_2000 posted:___ Cool post, I've been curious about what the hell actually went on in maoist China. However, I'm still hesitant to go full "Mao did nothing wrong". Any good sources on a balanced take on the era?
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Aug 12, 2019 01:39
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BrokenGameboy posted:Cool post, I've been curious about what the hell actually went on in maoist China. However, I'm still hesitant to go full "Mao did nothing wrong". Any good sources on a balanced take on the era? 70% good 30% bad
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Aug 12, 2019 01:41
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:70% good 30% bad I know that's what Deng said. But I have to ask, do you agree with that, or is this just irony. Side note, what was the argument for the Deng market reform anyway?
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Aug 12, 2019 01:43
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BrokenGameboy posted:Cool post, I've been curious about what the hell actually went on in maoist China. However, I'm still hesitant to go full "Mao did nothing wrong". Any good sources on a balanced take on the era? to be clear, that excerpt doesn't even say "Mao did nothing wrong". It just says everything wrong couldn't possibly have been ALL of his fault.
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Aug 12, 2019 01:48
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gradenko_2000 posted:to be clear, that excerpt doesn't even say "Mao did nothing wrong". It just says everything wrong couldn't possibly have been ALL of his fault. I know, I'm not saying you were pushing that. I just said it since while I did find it helpful in showing that not everything was his fault, I'm still very skeptical of him.
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Aug 12, 2019 01:51
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SKULL.GIF posted:...as opposed to the endless environmental disasters caused by imperialist and capitalist states in the present? PRC isn’t causing endless environmental disasters? Cool thanks for schooling me on that.
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Aug 12, 2019 01:55
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iceaim posted:PRC isn’t causing endless environmental disasters? Cool thanks for schooling me on that. This is neither an actual response to what I said, nor did I make the implied statement you're responding to.
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Aug 12, 2019 01:56
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SKULL.GIF posted:This is neither an actual response to what I said, nor did I make the implied statement you're responding to. The reality is that communist states like the PRC are just as bad with making endless environmental disasters as capitalist states are. You simply choose to be wilfully blind to it because it doesn’t confirm your bias.
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Aug 12, 2019 01:59
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iceaim posted:The reality is that communist states like the PRC is just as bad with making endless environmental disasters as capitalist states are. As I'm so helpfully informed by the thread's authoritarians, the PRC is currently in a transitory stage of capitalism before fully achieving socialism 
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Aug 12, 2019 02:00
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"communism is as bad as capitalism" and "China isn't even communist" two great tastes that taste great together
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Aug 12, 2019 02:03
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SKULL.GIF posted:As I'm so helpfully informed by the thread's authoritarians, the PRC is currently in a transitory stage of capitalism before fully achieving socialism I wonder when that’ll happen. PRC doesn’t even have universal health care lmao.
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Aug 12, 2019 02:03
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86i-uCNTpcM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rI9MBMFleRg Not sure about whether the footage is genuine. Dante80 has issued a correction as of 02:12 on Aug 12, 2019 |
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Aug 12, 2019 02:10
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iceaim posted:I wonder when that’ll happen. PRC doesn’t even have universal health care lmao. Still better and cheaper health care than the US. Also what's the deal of aspiring to become one of those welfare northern european countries? Most of them export resources and make watches. HK don't make anything. tino has issued a correction as of 02:17 on Aug 12, 2019 |
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Aug 12, 2019 02:12
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gradenko_2000 posted:"communism is as bad as capitalism" and "China isn't even communist" yeah capitalism is much worse than communism, which is why china sucks
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Aug 12, 2019 02:15
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:yeah capitalism is much worse than communism, which is why china sucks State Capitalism is upgraded Free Market Capitalism 2.0
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Aug 12, 2019 02:16
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Dante80 posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86i-uCNTpcM these were both posted 11 hours ago and theres been no news about a massive chinese deployment since. also the first video especially just seems off, though whoever made it did a pretty good job.
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Aug 12, 2019 02:17
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:these were both posted 11 hours ago and theres been no news about a massive chinese deployment since. also the first video especially just seems off, though whoever made it did a pretty good job. many thanks. probably fake then.
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Aug 12, 2019 02:19
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tino posted:Still better and cheaper health care than the US. Which is why you took your kids to be vaccinated in Hong Kong instead of PRC. I wonder why you didn’t choose to have them vaccinated in Guangzhou instead since it clearly has “better and cheaper” health care.
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Aug 12, 2019 02:20
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iceaim posted:Which is why you took your kids to be vaccinated in Hong Kong instead of PRC. I wonder why you didn’t choose to have them vaccinated in Guangzhou instead since it clearly has “better and cheaper” health care. I already answered you once, because I wanted document in English. You are never letting it go are you? Also because my wife wanted an excuse to go to SZ and HK. I wouldn't go if I was still in GZ at that time.
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Aug 12, 2019 02:24
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tino posted:Also what's the deal of aspiring to become one of those welfare northern european countries? Most of them export resources and make watches. HK don't make anything. quote:There's a tendency with so-called "progressives" to try and stretch the definition of "socialism" to make the case for Norway and the Scandinavian countries to be socialism, in order to show that socialism can work, while also distancing themselves from places like Cuba and Venezuela.
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Aug 12, 2019 02:25
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tino posted:I already answered you once, because I wanted document in English. You are never letting it go are you? Gotta love this face saving lol. Yeah I bet all of the mainland people lining up to get vaccines in HK are just doing it because they need the document in English and not because there were fake vaccines being peddled in PRC. You insult us but you always need us for untainted milk powder, banking, medical care, access to global markets, access to a passport that isn’t poo poo tier, etc. iceaim has issued a correction as of 02:31 on Aug 12, 2019 |
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Aug 12, 2019 02:28
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BrokenGameboy posted:Side note, what was the argument for the Deng market reform anyway? p r o d u c t i v e f o r c e s
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Aug 12, 2019 02:32
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iceaim posted:Gotta love this face saving lol. I am glad you are being a dick about it. So I won't feel bad when poo poo hits the fans.
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Aug 12, 2019 02:43
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iceaim posted:
This is what people in Hong Kong actually believe.
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Aug 12, 2019 02:46
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Almost everyone I know in China who isn't inexplicably rich due to grey income lives in perpetual fear of getting an illness they can't afford to treat, sounds a bit like the US I guess but it's loving weird to me coming from somewhere with actually good healthcare. The state healthcare system has improved in recent years but it still isn't enough to help you if you get cancer or something that requires major surgery, and cancer rates are skyrocketing due to all the air pollution. My mother in law died from lung cancer in northern China, the hospitals were poo poo and the doctors worse. Everything is loving monetized to the worst degree, you can buy packages, fork out for ten radiation treatments and get one free! "Oh we have fancy imported instruments for this treatment but it costs three times the price as the domestic ones, you choose" It's difficult to get my kid vaccinated here in HK because the clinics are choc-a-block with mainlanders and they often run out of vaccines because of it, the glorious socialist healthcare of the motherland obviously isn't that attractive to them? I like China but trying to defend the Chinese legal system and now Chinese healthcare..., good luck to you tino
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