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Kal-L posted:Just going to vent a little because I just had to block in Facebook an acquaintance from way back over a discussion about AMLO. I don't know man, I'm not pro-AMLO or anything, I just think that he already won and we shall see how it goes. Now, judging these first 7 months, things are not going that well and every month there's been a crisis (created by the government or by backlash from the establishment). My impression is that it seems they are simply clumsy for this government thing and they are learning as problems show up, which is not good. I do believe that an incompetent official in a key position can do more harm that a corrupt one.
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From Brazilian experience, whenever the person that "shouldn't" have won wins, establishment makes sure to blow up every little mistake they make. Midiatic crisis are easily manufactured. I don't know poo poo about AMLO or Mexico so I can't really say if he's actually loving up or not, just some food for thought.
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That's the problem with Latin America - on the one hand yes he might just be bad, but on the other hand, well: (Illia was probably the only truly good and honest president Argentina ever had) Pochoclo fucked around with this message at 21:49 on Jul 8, 2019 |
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Dias posted:From Brazilian experience, whenever the person that "shouldn't" have won wins, establishment makes sure to blow up every little mistake they make. Midiatic crisis are easily manufactured. I don't know poo poo about AMLO or Mexico so I can't really say if he's actually loving up or not, just some food for thought. Pretty much. I remember people complaining about Lula a few years ago, and then those same people went silent when the austerity party took over, and went into hiding with the rise of Bolsanaro. A lot of AMLO's problems seem to be mountains out of molehills from an outsider's perspective.
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hoped AOC would be above getting her history lessons from musicals but oh well
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Ghost of Mussolini posted:hoped AOC would be above getting her history lessons from musicals but oh well My favourite Evita quote is "Franco's wife didn't like workers, and every time she could she characterised them as "reds" because they had participated in the civil war. I tried to hold it in until I couldn't anymore, and I told her that her husband wasn't a ruler due to the people's votes, but instead due to imposition through victory. The fatty didn't like it at all." Also "We'll never have enough chicken wire to hang all the contreras (oligarchy, guerrillas, etc)" Pochoclo fucked around with this message at 22:56 on Jul 8, 2019 |
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Pochoclo posted:My favourite Evita quote is yeah the Perons were complicated and my feelings about them are complicated
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Jul 8, 2019 23:15
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Didn't she also say something like "Women don't need to think, the general will do it for us" during a Women's Day speech? Eva & Peron are really weird and it's even weirder when outsiders think of them as some sort of champions of socialism.
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Jul 9, 2019 01:59
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punk rebel ecks posted:Pretty much. I remember people complaining about Lula a few years ago, and then those same people went silent when the austerity party took over, and went into hiding with the rise of Bolsanaro. Pretty much my own assesment too. Also love how the people who make the mountains go "Yeah, but this is the present now" when they're reminded that a lot of Mexico´s problems are from waaaay back, and can't be solved overnight. There are problems, but most of them are because past governments just threw money or swept them under the rug when they encountered them too. Now that money isn't thrown into the wells and everything can be aired, many people are suddenly noticing that things weren't as sweet as they thought previously.
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Azran posted:Didn't she also say something like "Women don't need to think, the general will do it for us" during a Women's Day speech? Eva & Peron are really weird and it's even weirder when outsiders think of them as some sort of champions of socialism. I mean when you literally brainwash and indoctrinate children in the schools telling them Perón and Evita are loving demigods, have mandatory reading children's books that say poo poo like "Mom loves me. Dad loves me. Perón and Evita love me. Perón is the Leader. Perón is good", you create a generation of people that will worship Perón and Evita and they will teach their children and it'll go on for two or three generations. Perón's first government accomplished a lot of good stuff for the common people, but it was also very much a fascist dictatorship on par with Mussolini's, and it engaged in a great deal of state terrorism against dissident elements and political opposition So yeah complicated figures Also Perón was a nonce
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As an American, the Peron's are weird to me. They are described as leftists but they seem very right wing. They just didn't like the free market AS much as the Washington Consensus.Kal-L posted:Pretty much my own assesment too. Also love how the people who make the mountains go "Yeah, but this is the present now" when they're reminded that a lot of Mexico´s problems are from waaaay back, and can't be solved overnight. Has ALMO done any notable good so far? Like in terms of big much needed changes?
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punk rebel ecks posted:Has ALMO done any notable good so far? Like in terms of big much needed changes? Fighting fuel theft and getting the National Guard approved and deployed just off the top of my head. Also looking into the Fertinal plant that the past administration bough at an exorbitant price and then turns out is mostly junk, and involves top aides and even Peña Nieto himself. Ending the "Educative Reform" that was just mostly about testing teachers monthly on top of their already big enough workload, and instead replaces it with incentives for them to do improvement training. Also making himself available for questioning every day, unlike a certain President in the North  Currently also working on securing a not ultra-expensive supply of medicines for the IMSS, lowering the high electricity fees, dealing with the Federales that don't want to be held to examinations under the National Guard standard (they claim they're prepared enough already, but no one batted an eye when the government did the same to teachers). Sure, his detractors can claim that they don't like how he's doing it, but it then begs the question of why past Presidents didn't do all that poo poo themselves when they could.
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Kal-L posted:Fighting fuel theft and getting the National Guard approved and deployed just off the top of my head. Also looking into the Fertinal plant that the past administration bough at an exorbitant price and then turns out is mostly junk, and involves top aides and even Peña Nieto himself. Ending the "Educative Reform" that was just mostly about testing teachers monthly on top of their already big enough workload, and instead replaces it with incentives for them to do improvement training. Also making himself available for questioning every day, unlike a certain President in the North Fuel theft has not really ended, I think they just stopped reporting it. I can still see people selling small containers on the street on my way to work everyday. Investigating Fertinal is a good thing, but unless people end up in jail, this won't be a positive point, so I'm hoping this stays its course. Giving power back to the teacher's syndicates is not a good idea in my opinion, but time will tell, the teachers syndicates are a faction that will support the most likely candidate to win every time, like they supported Felipe Calderon in 2006, and they have the power to swing elections, so they ask for too many things that just give them more power.
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you just described every syndicate where people can't afford to go through a bad government. teachers will loving starve anywhere they're not a priority for the government. weird to be saying that like they're a powerful lobbyist group of fat cats
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Pochoclo posted:I mean when you literally brainwash and indoctrinate children in the schools telling them Perón and Evita are loving demigods, have mandatory reading children's books that say poo poo like "Mom loves me. Dad loves me. Perón and Evita love me. Perón is the Leader. Perón is good", you create a generation of people that will worship Perón and Evita and they will teach their children and it'll go on for two or three generations. Another big factor is that the people who came after were infinitely worse. Compared to the dictatorship that made his name a forbidden word and disappeared 27k+ people just so they could sink local industries in exchange for sweet sweet american dollars, Peron is a hero and Evita is a saint. Persecution turns survivors into fervent believers. It doesn't help that the overwhelming majority of public figures who criticize Peron to this day are lunatics who think the dictatorship wasn't all that bad and "human rights" is a buzzword. Most parties since then would push one of two narratives: Peron good or Peron bad. People aren't very good with gray morality in general and one of those sides is a lot more regressive than the other, so it's easy to rationalize that Peron did nothing wrong when the people on the other side of the ring make Trump look like a serene, rational individual.
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I'm curious about the wikipedia articles on Peron and related subjects because to my eyes they read like they're being curated by fans. I'd love to have others' perspectives on this.
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The Secretary of Treasury has just resigned, and the letter shows the internal issues the government is facing: https://twitter.com/CarlosUrzuaSHCP/status/1148626816241979392 nerdz posted:you just described every syndicate where people can't afford to go through a bad government. teachers will loving starve anywhere they're not a priority for the government. weird to be saying that like they're a powerful lobbyist group of fat cats But they are, at least the people leading them. If you do a quick search for "Elba Esther Gordillo" can give you some light on the matter. I think no one in Mexico would be willing to defend such deplorable character. El Chingon fucked around with this message at 18:02 on Jul 9, 2019 |
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El Chingon posted:The Secretary of Treasury has just resigned, and the letter shows the internal issues the government is facing: Is it known who the influential people having conflicts of interest he's referring to, are? El Chingon posted:But they are, at least the people leading them. If you do a quick search for "Elba Esther Gordillo" can give you some light on the matter. I think no one in Mexico would be willing to defend such deplorable character. This is true, she's hated across the entire political spectrum. It's also true that teachers have been poo poo on (and shot at) for a very long time, and they deserve better. RIP Syndrome fucked around with this message at 18:28 on Jul 9, 2019 |
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El Chingon posted:Fuel theft has not really ended, I think they just stopped reporting it. I can still see people selling small containers on the street on my way to work everyday. The fuel theft we will have to agree to disagree, since the numbers come from the government, and I can understand if you don't want to trust them. Even if they're not completely erradicated, it has had a significant reduction compared to past administrations. The problem with the evaluations was that it affected the bottom rung of teachers, not the top. I'm friends with teachers, and it really was poo poo that on top of their job and school administrative stuff, they had to go home and work unpaid extra time, stressing about each month's evaluation. The real end wasn't making sure teachers were properly prepared, just that Peña Nieto's government wanted to take the seat of Elba Esther so they could be the ones with power over the teachers. And today the Federales stand-off ended, so there's that too. Funny how they were calling for previous president Calderón to be their negotiator, and even he went "No, thanks" and passing a chance to face AMLO, getting some publicity for his new political party that will end in failure. Also, that fat gently caress Duarte has written a letter saying that he's willing to cooperate and testify about corruption during Peña's administration. And if anyone knows about corruption, is that rear end in a top hat.
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Wow, I just read up on that Education Reform and it's some dumb poo poo clearly not thought up by anyone that actually, y'know, teaches, or even anyone that's stepped inside a classroom in the last 30 years or so.
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https://twitter.com/sinurrieta/status/1155610435523088390?s=20 Lmao why is Perfil talking to Dick Morris
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chocolate for the news mr dick
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Jul 29, 2019 22:34
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Espert getting a lot of coverage for a 2% of the vote candidate.
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We can't even get good quality russian bots down here./s3.amazonaws.com/arc-wordpress-client-uploads/infobae-wp/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/09103240/bots-macri-juntos-por-el-cambio-SF-1.jpeg) https://www.infobae.com/tecno/2019/...ots-en-campana/
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Pretty lovely article, all around. No explanation given at the supposed negative populism of the Fernandezs while not even acknowledging Macri's own populist-like tactics in electoral years like liberally-available loans through public banks to pensioners and assistance programs recipients, subsidized purchases in installments of home appliances/furniture/clothing, raising the minimum wage in advance of the scheduled date... And we have to believe that Menem's presidency made the country thrive? Unsurprising coming from the Wilson Center though.
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volve carlitooooos
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You can basically sum it up with:quote:But if Argentines turn to populism once again, their disappointments over the last four years will heavily burden the next outsider who dares to promise market solutions to Argentina's chronic economic maladies. "B-But what about my free money?  "
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47 Fernández 32 Macri Crushing defeat
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These are primaries though but participation is mandatory for all citizens. Two months of the worst lame duck ever, he didn't even technically lose but he did.
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Vos decís que va a poder dar vuelta 15 puntos de diferencia?
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How much higher are interest rates going to get now that the justicialistas are back in power? You'd think 60% would be some kind of upper limit...
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Well, that was certainly a result. Even with the fringe right he'd still need all of Lavagna's to turn it around. Hope you had dollars in your accounts.
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Dek posted:Vos decís que va a poder dar vuelta 15 puntos de diferencia? Ni en pedo
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lol glanced at a Bloomberg article for the electionquote:Argentines will be choosing mainly between President Mauricio Macri and his top opponent, Alberto Fernández, the front-runners of the election according to polls. Macri, 60, has restored credibility in Argentina and earned the support of the international community, including U.S. President Donald Trump and the International Monetary Fund. However, he failed to fulfill most of his economic promises, and Argentines are suffering under double-digit unemployment and annual inflation of more than 50 percent. "Market-friendly Macri restored international credibility in Argentina by reneging on all of his economic premises and plunging Argentina into horrific unemployment and skyrocketing inflation"
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Cup Runneth Over posted:lol glanced at a Bloomberg article for the election Its a mistery why the people didint vote for him.
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El que apuesta al dólar pierde
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