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I don’t think anyone thinks that no one is starving, but Maduro doesn’t really have much to do with it. like getting rid of Maduro and putting anew guy in charge isn’t really going to change that
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Captain Billy Pissboy posted:People are starving because of us intervention dumbass and they were starving for 2+ years before because of their own gov? so both are bad. starving isn't this magical thing that just started because trump is bad.
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# ? Aug 13, 2019 21:06 |
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CharlestheHammer posted:I don’t think anyone thinks that no one is starving, but Maduro doesn’t really have much to do with it. You have one thats very vocal that has posted a dozen times that he doesn't believe the food crisis is real. There are a few others that are hard skeptics that post poo poo like google reviews of restaurants that somehow proves the poor aren't starving.
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536 posted:and they were starving for 2+ years before because of their own gov? so both are bad. starving isn't this magical thing that just started because trump is bad. lmao you really are this stupid, i was convinced this was a bit for a while
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# ? Aug 13, 2019 21:07 |
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536 posted:and they were starving for 2+ years before because of their own gov? so both are bad. starving isn't this magical thing that just started because trump is bad. Again, how is the government responsible for the privately owned food and grocery industry profiteering? Also I'm sure the us backed coup in 2002 totally didn't discourage foreign companies from doing business in Venezuela
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# ? Aug 13, 2019 21:08 |
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536 posted:You have one thats very vocal that has posted a dozen times that he doesn't believe the food crisis is real. Those are both either just intentional strawmen or you misunderstanding what people said then refusing to acknowledge the multiple clarifications they have posted because it's convenient to you. It would make for a lovely discussion if it weren't very funny how incredibly dumb you sound
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# ? Aug 13, 2019 21:13 |
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536 posted:and they were starving for 2+ years before because of their own gov? so both are bad. starving isn't this magical thing that just started because trump is bad. oh my god you literally think that US fuckery only started recently lmao that's just precious
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# ? Aug 13, 2019 21:13 |
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536 posted:I'm anti foreign intervention in any form . I'm just not so blinded by the sickle I can't tell people are legit starving. I'm more hoping the regular people in the army get so fed up that change happens. Sanctions are foreign intervention. Embargoes are foreign intervention.
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# ? Aug 13, 2019 21:13 |
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Problem is Maduro didn't behead enough food barons
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# ? Aug 13, 2019 21:15 |
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I absolutely love d&d libs accusing cspam of groupthink. It's my favorite kind of projection
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# ? Aug 13, 2019 21:16 |
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I see you kind of ignored my point that changing leaders doesn’t actually do anything about the food issues. outside getting the sanctions lifted but the endgame of that is neoliberal policy. which means bye bye social programs
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# ? Aug 13, 2019 21:16 |
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Drake no: social programs Drake yes: social pogroms
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# ? Aug 13, 2019 21:18 |
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Captain Billy Pissboy posted:I absolutely love d&d libs accusing cspam of groupthink. It's my favorite kind of projection they're literally coming here from the thread that has, on multiple occasions no less, tried to get the mods to ban all dissenting opinions lmao
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# ? Aug 13, 2019 21:18 |
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hosed up of WikiLeaks to elect Donald Trump. It's not even a registered voter!!!!
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# ? Aug 13, 2019 21:18 |
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starve em all and let god sort em out - nicolas maduro
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# ? Aug 13, 2019 21:20 |
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Cerebral Bore posted:they're literally coming here from the thread that has, on multiple occasions no less, tried to get the mods to ban all dissenting opinions lmao when the invasion starts, any negative news about bad things caused by the invasion will be banned from that thread and asking fnox if he's happy now will be a probateable offense
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# ? Aug 13, 2019 21:20 |
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the goal is to kill the poorest of Venezuelan citizens until they agree to let the US come in and steal everything that isn't nailed down and leave them with a puppet to keep the spoils flowing northward while rewarding the colonial collaborators who were spared from the initial killings as well there's literally nothing else there, there is no humanitarian or just motive to anything, you cannot pitch a situation where anything gets even a little bit better in any tiny way wherein the US is also still involved in any way, shape, or form, because it's fundamentally incoherent, unless you consider "the rich get richer and the poor are turned into slaves" as getting better
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# ? Aug 13, 2019 21:21 |
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536 posted:Pretty sure it was him quoting that one super dork mod that is a ukraine famine truther who was all "holodomor was actually a very good communist diet program and actually saved lives hth" Lmao. Incredible how fast this guy went from 'just asking questions about Venezuela' to parroting literal neonazi propaganda
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# ? Aug 13, 2019 21:24 |
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536 posted:Catch me up here, do we hate wikileaks because they elected trump or do we love them because they support russia and venezuela?
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# ? Aug 13, 2019 21:32 |
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comedyblissoption posted:read killing hope you stupid loving moronic liberal
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# ? Aug 13, 2019 21:33 |
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420 Gank Mid posted:Lmao. Incredible how fast this guy went from 'just asking questions about Venezuela' to parroting literal neonazi propaganda umm im pretty sure you are not understanding that post at all. unless somehow recognizing a famine is a neo-nazi thing? what?
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# ? Aug 13, 2019 21:34 |
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536 posted:and they were starving for 2+ years before because of their own gov? so both are bad. starving isn't this magical thing that just started because trump is bad. Serious response: the core of the crisis is that oil shocks and other economic trouble led to a decrease in subsidy for imported food. The problem is that VZ is an economy that depends on selling oil and buying everything else. (It should be noted that there isn't a shortage of food like in a famine but a lack of money to buy the food) The arguments against the govt management are basically that they mismanaged the state expenditures and thus they couldn't afford to subsidize the food. But the country was already going to be facing severe financial problems, theres absolutely no evidence that any US friendly opposition wouldnt just also be incredibly corrupt except siphoning money to US interests, and the US has been prolonging the crisis by loving with their finances. For comparison, VZ had major food shocks in 1989 and 1998 (might have that second date off a bit) from basically the same causes while under a US friendly pro capitalist govt- in 89 unrest escalated to the point the govt was gunning down hundreds of people and assassinating dissidents
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# ? Aug 13, 2019 21:35 |
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Not to mention that the historically-loving-bonkers drops in oil price in 2008 and again in 2014 were both caused by the US.
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Frijolero posted:Not to mention that the historically-loving-bonkers drops in oil price in 2008 and again in 2014 were both caused by the US. Like the debt crises of the 80s (which caused the 89 riots) that's probably more of a happy side effect
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# ? Aug 13, 2019 21:47 |
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Captain Billy Pissboy posted:I absolutely love d&d libs accusing cspam of groupthink. It's my favorite kind of projection I understand where they're coming from, even if it's extremely dumb and wrong. To those people, we're literally like people denying that the US Civil War happening or something. To them, we're taking a contrary position to something so incredibly self-evident that that's no need to provide direct evidence for it. I can sympathize with it to an extent. These people have been taught to always support things with evidence, but they can't comprehend that reliable unbiased evidence simply doesn't always exist. There is no Reliable Source where you can get the unfiltered True Scoop about Venezuela, and they aren't willing to acknowledge that US media like WaPo or the NYTimes is literally no more reliable than Telesur on the topic of Venezuela (and honestly probably significantly less reliable). edit: Probably the #1 biggest flaw in their logic is that they seem to believe that, in the absence of reliable evidence, you should just believe whatever seems to be the mainstream consensus. Like when that "aid truck" was set on fire, they assumed that the default truth should be the perspective set by the mainstream media (that Maduro or his supporters did it), and that evidence must be supplied proving otherwise. If we hadn't been lucky enough to have access to actual video directly proving that narrative wrong, they would have continued believing it. Reasonable people who aren't idiots might see this and come to the conclusion of "you shouldn't believe anything US media says about this stuff absent very clear and direct evidence." But these people are not the sharpest tools in the shed, and they keep returning to the default perspective of "believe what the media says until proven otherwise," even when the standard of proof they require often doesn't exist and the media in question has been shown to repeatedly lie. Ytlaya has issued a correction as of 21:54 on Aug 13, 2019 |
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quote:We can all agree I think that US foreign policy must be changed and that to achieve that the mind – not to mention the heart and soul – of the American public must be changed. But what do you think is the main barrier to achieving such a change in the American mind?
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# ? Aug 13, 2019 21:52 |
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That is NOT about Venezala
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# ? Aug 13, 2019 21:53 |
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536 posted:You have one thats very vocal that has posted a dozen times that he doesn't believe the food crisis is real. i never once posted that the food crisis is faked 536. does it seriously break your brain that I'm not sure about the food crisis? both you and fnox want me to give a hard yes/no when I don't think there's enough evidence to make such assertions, and you just assume i secretly think "no, no food crisis" cause how could someone not immediately agree or disagree? Condiv has issued a correction as of 21:59 on Aug 13, 2019 |
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536 is a particularly stupid liberal who lacks basic reading comprehension and throws up imaginary strawmen of what he imagines and wants other people to have said to fit his head narrative to justify his claims that such people should be banned from the internet from discussion
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# ? Aug 13, 2019 21:57 |
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as a stalinist, i agree. maduro sucks!!
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# ? Aug 13, 2019 21:59 |
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Epic High Five posted:the goal is to kill the poorest of Venezuelan citizens until they agree to let the US come in and steal everything that isn't nailed down and leave them with a puppet to keep the spoils flowing northward while rewarding the colonial collaborators who were spared from the initial killings as well Its funny when people bring up state violence under maduro as if there isn't a arms race going on here with regards to who can inflict enough coercion, or other means, on the populace to see who gets to rule Venezuela. Juan was too low energy to change the calculus, alas.
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# ? Aug 13, 2019 22:01 |
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you dont let the kulaks live smdh
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# ? Aug 13, 2019 22:01 |
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read the OP!
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# ? Aug 13, 2019 22:02 |
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StashAugustine posted:Like the debt crises of the 80s (which caused the 89 riots) that's probably more of a happy side effect Yeah, I'm not saying the US is pulling a lever, but it's extremely hosed that countries are suffering both because the US is genocidal (sanctions/invasions) and also because the US is laughably corrupt and stupid (financial deregulation and ravenous fracking).
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# ? Aug 13, 2019 22:15 |
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It's always amazing to me that food production isn't centralized through some U.N.-esqe body. Just lol that people have to pay to eat.
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Condiv posted:i never once posted that the food crisis is faked 536. does it seriously break your brain that I'm not sure about the food crisis? both you and fnox want me to give a hard yes/no when I don't think there's enough evidence to make such assertions, and you just assume i secretly think "no, no food crisis" cause how could someone not immediately agree or disagree? You can't do the whole "im still on the fence about people being hungry" when you won't even look at the studies that have been done. Explain to me again how its muddy if people were hungry in 2018. https://www.hrw.org/report/2019/04/04/venezuelas-humanitarian-emergency/large-scale-un-response-needed-address-health Or are you telling me the doctors reporting high levels of malnourished children being admitted are western agents?
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# ? Aug 13, 2019 22:24 |
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being able to starve other countries into submission by having the US hegemonically control food staples and trying to force other countries into focusing on export crops is part of US foreign policy
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# ? Aug 13, 2019 22:25 |
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Homeless Friend posted:It's always amazing to me that food production isn't centralized through some U.N.-esqe body. Just lol that people have to pay to eat. But why would anyone work if not under the constant threat of painful death?
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# ? Aug 13, 2019 22:25 |
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America also has a large amount of malnourished children. the foods there so technically it’s okay
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# ? Aug 13, 2019 22:26 |
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CharlestheHammer posted:America also has a large amount of malnourished children. thats also extremely hosed up. Who is saying the USA is running poo poo well?
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