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StarMinstrel posted:Just finished this season the other day with my s.o. But Phantom Blood has some of the best interplay between main hero and villain in the series. The fights are kinda dull, admittedly.
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StarMinstrel posted:Just finished this season the other day with my s.o.
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I think that tier list is close to how I'd rank the Parts, save for Part 1, which I'm not quite sure where to place. Part 1 is tame by comparison to the others, but I think there's a bit of charm in that. I think the tonal contrast between Part 1 and 2 is what made me love 2 so much more. Plus Part 1 (along with 2) does the thing where the outro starts playing before the episode ends, and that poo poo is just so powerful. e: Could you imagine Part 5 trying to do that? Oxyclean fucked around with this message at 17:14 on Aug 13, 2019 |
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Aug 13, 2019 16:25
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Elephant Parade posted:the anime subforum may not be the best place to do an epic own on all anime anime is blood
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Schwarzwald posted:anime is blood phantom blood, specifically
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Aug 13, 2019 17:22
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watch symphogear
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Oxyclean posted:I think that tier list is close to how I'd rank the Parts, save for Part 1, which I'm not quite sure where to place. I think “charming” is the right word for phantom blood.
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If you weren't charmed by part1 I'm not sure how anyone would make it to part2
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Part 1 is charming, weird and cool, but it is also very janky and the other parts are more charming, weird, and cool.
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Aug 13, 2019 21:45
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Part 1 is a fascinating historical relic and Jonathan clutching Dio's head as he dies has more interesting thematic nuance than Part 2 has in it's entire run. Part 1's blend of Gothic/Victorian fiction and martial arts technique based fighting with it's questions of heroism and brotherhood only become more interesting over time as JoJo and Shonen manga get older and different, where I've found Part 2 to be more hollow every time I revisit it
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Kaiser Mazoku posted:watch symphogear what’s a symphogear
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Augus posted:what’s a symphogear A fun show.
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Also, while Jonathan is somewhat static beyond going from being a gentleman just because (look at him first meeting with Erina in Episode 1) to actually growing into the role, I do love how his character arc starts as "Let's be friends" and culminates in "Okay, gently caress Dio."
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I would disagree and that Jonathan never really says that. He's ready to fight Dio because he's a threat to other people, (it's telling that what finally gets Jonathan to stop putting up with Dio's poo poo as a kid is when he finally hurts another person in his schemes to ruin Jonathan's life) but once he has him helpless (or so he thinks), Jonathan's final defining act is to embrace his brother again. Jonathan's inhuman kindness leads to him forgiving Dio. Dio becoming and taking Jonathan's body is a sign of deep, but twisted respect, love and fetishization for Jonathan in return. Jonathan's love and sacrifice was strong enough to have an effect on a monster, even if it's not really the effect he wanted.
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technically yes as he thoroughly discards his humanity, and shouts that he's doing it while he's doing it, but maybe pretend i put some " " around it
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Expect My Mom posted:I would disagree and that Jonathan never really says that. I think at one point he does say he wants to kill Dio to satisfy his anger or hate, but I admit that last quote was a bit of exaggeration for effect.
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Zyla posted:is dio really a monster tho? he sucks people’s blood through his fingers
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Augus posted:he sucks people’s blood through his fingers He has eye lasers and can turn people into zombies. Unless you mean "Is Dio, morally speaking, a monster?", in which case also yes.
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dr.acula posted:If you weren't charmed by part1 I'm not sure how anyone would make it to part2 Obligation to a friend. You can say a lot of things about part 1, but at the end of the day I still found it a really big slog and don't think I'll ever watch it again. It works as a comparison piece to show how far the legacy has gone, but it was a hard 9 episodes to get through.
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Maybe she's asking if Dio's an energy drink The text is silent on this matter
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Okay if Gold Experience punched a wall and turned half of it into lizards, and then Crazy Diamond punched the same wall, would the lizards turn back into wall?
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I don't think so. Two of Crazy Diamond's four limiting factors are that The Broken Pieces Have To Be Around, and that If It's Not Broken, It Can't Be Fixed. If the wall is lizards, then the broken pieces aren't there to be turned back into a wall, and any lizards Gold Experience makes are going to be healthy and whole, so Crazy Diamond can't fix them; there's nothing to repair. But really, the answer is going to be "whatever Araki feels like writing that day"
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Xand_Man posted:A wall of lizards 
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YggiDee posted:Okay if Gold Experience punched a wall and turned half of it into lizards, and then Crazy Diamond punched the same wall, would the lizards turn back into wall?  but wall tile/brick.
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I always thought the wildest thing in this show was Vanilla Ice just cutting off his head on a whim to please DIO the bastard took Iggy from us and I will never forgive him
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Polnareff vs. Vanilla Ice was the best fight in Part 3, though, so there's good with the bad.
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Expect My Mom posted:Part 1 is a fascinating historical relic and Jonathan clutching Dio's head as he dies has more interesting thematic nuance than Part 2 has in it's entire run. Part 1's blend of Gothic/Victorian fiction and martial arts technique based fighting with it's questions of heroism and brotherhood only become more interesting over time as JoJo and Shonen manga get older and different, where I've found Part 2 to be more hollow every time I revisit it As someone who thinks Battle Tendency is top 2 Jojo, if not top Jojo, I would agree with you that it gets more hollow with every rewatch/reread. Jojo2's major strength is its extreme thematic incongruity with Jojo1 (and Jojo3 for that matter) -- on its own it's actually fairly standard as shonens go.
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Blueberry Pancakes posted:Polnareff vs. Vanilla Ice was the best fight in Part 3, though, so there's good with the bad. I'm partial to Jotaro vs. Steely Dan since that was a whole team effort with a nice cathartic payoff Polnareff and Ice had a nice emotional outcome though
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SKULL.GIF posted:Jojo2's major strength is its extreme thematic incongruity with Jojo1 (and Jojo3 for that matter) That and its OP
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Battle Tendency being paired with Phantom Blood as one season was a good idea. It's a nice pick-me-up after that really downer ending with Jonathan, and is basically just one big goofy romp with Joseph as all kinds of weird things happen, like cyborg Nazis and ancient Aztec strippers. I think its strengths come from the fact that, compared to the relatively tamer Part 1 where the weirdest things were typically background stuff (Dio's pets) or generally passed by pretty quickly (Jack the Ripper hiding inside of a horse), Part 2 just goes all in on the weirdness with things like Joseph literally pulling a gun out of his rear end to shoot up a vampire in the middle of an NYC diner or just about any of the Pillarmen's crazy abilities/body contortion. Hamon also seemed a lot flashier in this part, as opposed to the previous part where it was mostly punches, kicks, or sword slashes. That being said, looking back kinda made me realize how much of a nothing character Caesar was given that he basically existed only to die, the damage he inflicts on Waamu was undone shortly afterwards, Joseph doesn't even take the antidote he died to get until after he beats Waamu, and the only real benefit he gave to Joseph is supplying him with a headband to burn during the chariot fight. Messina and Loggins are also pretty nothing, and Lisa Lisa was sadly wasted, though I hear that one was more Shonen Jump's fault than Araki's. Stroheim at least gets to be comically entertaining, despite Araki kind of quietly brushing aside all of those Mexicans he mass-slaughtered during his introduction. Granted, he gets dunked on a lot and then killed off without anyone ever seeing him again at the end of the story, so I guess he does get his comeuppance to a degree. Carlosologist posted:I'm partial to Jotaro vs. Steely Dan since that was a whole team effort with a nice cathartic payoff Also good.
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D'arby the Elder will always be the best part 3 fight in my heart. Everyone gets in on it but Avdol, Joseph's gambit was brilliant, D'Arby's counter-gambit was even more brilliant, and Jotaro's final method of winning relied on nothing but overwhelming willpower, which is great. Hanged Man, Vanilla Ice, Pet Shop, and DIO are also very good fights, and more actually fights, but I'll always love D'Arby's fight the best. Also while part 1 is being discussed again, I've said it before but part 1 just has a super weak middle section. The first 3 episodes are incredible, the last 2 episodes are excellent, the 4 episodes between those points are super forgettable. Jack, Bruford, and Dooby are all terrible fights, and Tarkus is barely better, only really getting elevated by Zeppeli's roundabout cliffhanger as he walks to his death, which was Very Cool. All of these middle fights are basically "Haha! I am scary and strong because I can do this weird trick with (a horse/my hair/snakes)!" and then Jonathan has no way to fight them!!! Until suddenly he does and they die instantly. Its my least favorite part of the 5 the anime has covered, but the start is so strong, with Dio's arrival and plot to kill Jonathan's father, and the end is extremely good, with Dio's near-death at the castle followed up by the extremely dramatic finale on the boat. It's just a shame the middle is full of stuff like turning dry leaves into a hang glider and swimming down to the bottom of the river to find a bubble so you can shoot lightning magic through the water and other weird arbitrary nonsense. Not even the good weird arbitrary nonsense I like from the series, just the boring ones that come out of nowhere and never come up again.
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dancingbears posted:I don't think so. Two of Crazy Diamond's four limiting factors are that The Broken Pieces Have To Be Around, and that If It's Not Broken, It Can't Be Fixed. If the wall is lizards, then the broken pieces aren't there to be turned back into a wall, and any lizards Gold Experience makes are going to be healthy and whole, so Crazy Diamond can't fix them; there's nothing to repair. What if all the lizards dropped their tail? Would Crazy Diamond attach the tails to the wall, or the lizard?
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It's pretty funny to me how much fanart and other fan works depicts Joseph and Caesar as super close and like Joseph still super haunted by Caesar's death decades later when they knew each other for a week and never liked each other that much. I know he had the big cry and it was hosed up, but Avdol was a much closer friend for a much longer time and we don't see anything about that.
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Part 2 is the worst part because it has my most hated character in fiction in it, Stroheim the good guy Nazi. gently caress that guy, gently caress everything to do with that guy, he's the worst and he drags the entire part into poo poo by existing.
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gnome7 posted:Its my least favorite part of the 5 the anime has covered, but the start is so strong, with Dio's arrival and plot to kill Jonathan's father, and the end is extremely good, with Dio's near-death at the castle followed up by the extremely dramatic finale on the boat. It's just a shame the middle is full of stuff like turning dry leaves into a hang glider and swimming down to the bottom of the river to find a bubble so you can shoot lightning magic through the water and other weird arbitrary nonsense. Not even the good weird arbitrary nonsense I like from the series, just the boring ones that come out of nowhere and never come up again. You mention Zeppeli walking to his own death, but Jonathan fighting a historical zombie knight who could always control his hair, ending with the zombie loving Jonathan so much that he changes the name of his sword with his own blood. You have Dio forcing a woman to eat her child and making weird man animals Also the fight with the snake guy you mention is solved in five seconds by someone dropping a literal anvil on Doobie's head and then Jonathan punches him. It's hilarious! Part 1 is short enough and weird enough for me that I love it
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There's something about Johnathon's line that's like "I learned about these guys in history class and now here they are trying to kill me!" That I will always love.
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