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Ace of Baes
Jul 7, 1977
https://twitter.com/k1llurboss/status/1161693398182457344?s=19

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old beast lunatic
Nov 3, 2004

by Hand Knit
If Donald Trump becoming president didn't brutally murder your perception of meritocracy with a chainsaw you might be retarded

Anukis
Jan 23, 2006

I'm an empathetic, sensitive, educated, intellectually curious non-idiot. Hi.

Christoph posted:

There's at least one example in my life of Epstein brain radicalizing a friend. Others have shared episodes too. The idea that our lives are run not just by billionaires but pedophile billionaires is weirdly liberating because it discredits the existence of meritocracy.

Realizing that hard work and gumption are nothing in comparison to who you know and what depraved poo poo you're willing to do to get power really is freeing.

The world was already terrifying but at least it gives you a firmer idea of what's making it so bad.

gh0stpinballa
Mar 5, 2019

with the collective power of epstein brain we got one. the fightback begins against the unholy forces of moloch.

https://twitter.com/wariotifo/status/1161689221758967810?s=19

Perry Mason Jar
Feb 24, 2006

"Della? Take a lid"
It's my firm belief that these were not people who were depraved and then became rich but that becoming/being rich makes you depraved. I will not be elaborating further.

Sing Along
Feb 28, 2017

by Athanatos

twoday posted:

This is a classic example of disinformation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsdiYUnKyzk

Ace of Baes
Jul 7, 1977

Perry Mason Jar posted:

It's my firm belief that these were not people who were depraved and then became rich but that becoming rich makes you depraved. I will not be elaborating further.

I've probably posted this multiple times ITT but wealth is a disease and at a certain level you just become a giant tumor.

paul_soccer10
Mar 28, 2016

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Probably repost but holy poo poo lmao https://twitter.com/elivalley/status/1161676047659753473?s=19

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:
it's too bad he'll never get to do it now

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Wheeee posted:

remember how for decades "secret black stealth CIA helicopters" were basically a meme for making fun of paranoid nuts and then the CIA crashed one in Pakistan

lol remember when the CIA went around pretending to be part of a vaccination program

But Rocks Hurt Head
Jun 30, 2003

by Hand Knit
Pillbug
https://twitter.com/TrueAnonPod/status/1161695570378948608?s=20

Hahahahahaha

Sure why not

Perry Mason Jar
Feb 24, 2006

"Della? Take a lid"

Ace of Baes posted:

I've probably posted this multiple times ITT but wealth is a disease and at a certain level you just become a giant tumor.

Well I believe it's theoretically possible to sidestep the corrupting effects of wealth, and I know how it can be accomplished, but if you're going at it without conscious effort to beat back the influence it would be all but impossible. Siddhartha Gautama pulled it off, at least.


Coast Guard huh?

paul_soccer10
Mar 28, 2016

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

gradenko_2000 posted:

lol remember when the CIA went around pretending to be part of a vaccination program

Causing a huge spike in murders of doctors and the resurgance of polio in Pakistan

Jel Shaker
Apr 19, 2003

its quite something that the alphabet soup agencies are either half feckless failsons placed into positions because their CIA family member can vouch for them, or complete psychopaths completely devoid of morality and just want to kill and rape the public, and if it happens to align with the CIAs goals thats a bonus.

Wheeee
Mar 11, 2001

When a tree grows, it is soft and pliable. But when it's dry and hard, it dies.

Hardness and strength are death's companions. Flexibility and softness are the embodiment of life.

That which has become hard shall not triumph.

All the competent people at those agencies max out in middle management or in their specialized roles, while the failsons and idiot sociopaths occupy all the positions of power.

Just like the corporate world.

space uncle
Sep 17, 2006

"I don’t care if Biden beats Trump. I’m not offloading responsibility. If enough people feel similar to me, such as the large population of Muslim people in Dearborn, Michigan. Then he won’t"


Anukis posted:

Realizing that hard work and gumption are nothing in comparison to who you know and what depraved poo poo you're willing to do to get power really is freeing.

The world was already terrifying but at least it gives you a firmer idea of what's making it so bad.

The tech boom of the noughts and the teens never quite created the futurist utopia that we all imagined. Rather than challenge and upset the status quo, the new tech barons merely replaced ugly and obviously exploitative heavy industry with an app and independent contractor economy. This is all wrapped in a shiny layer of PR bullshit that makes Musk into Iron Man and kept people using Facebook for years after it was obvious that Zuck was a fish person harvesting all of their most intimate details.

So the millennial generation, raised to believe in capitalism-turbocharged technocracies and progress, hoping for some kind of magic silicon bullet that would slay the old monsters in politics and the new ones like global warming, is becoming disillusioned. Some realized it in 2008, some in 2016, but others still held out hope for the ruling class.

Epstein is the straw that broke the camels back. The “new left” are no longer temporarily embarrassed billionaire and are now disgusted by the idea of accumulating so much wealth that you distort laws and norms and society like a black hole. There is no longer a discussion of “they earned it through hard work or being smarter”. Even if they did (lol), it’s looking like a law of nature that having a billion dollars severs your ties to humanity. The only available alternative to climbing the ladder and praying to be rich is to look to your left and right and lock arms with the average Joes around you. Most of them still don’t have the language or class consciousness to say “solidarity” or “socialism”, but they’re mad as hell and know that someone needs to take big money out of not only politics, but out of society itself.

Perry Mason Jar
Feb 24, 2006

"Della? Take a lid"

Perry Mason Jar posted:

Billionaire Demonic Child Sex Ring and Murder Cabal or general? Cause Sony Music killed Prince and Michael Jackson, so you'll need to start being more specific. Assuming you mean people connected (in opposition) to the Billionaire Demonic Child Sex Ring and Murder Cabal:

Good Candidates (Recent)
1. Avicii
2. Chris Cornell
3. Chester Bennington

Bad Candidates (Too Long Ago)
1. Kurt Cobain
2. Stanley Kubrick

Did I miss any?

It's also probably worth mentioning that the forensic pathologist octogenarian Epstein lawyers unfroze to oversee the autopsy investigated the assassinations of JFK and MLK (his panel's conclusion matched the official narrative in both cases), was hired to perform private autopsies on Michael Brown, Aaron Hernandez, and Patrice Lumumba, and provided testimony in the OJ Simpson and Phil Spector trials.

We can add Mobb Deep's Prodigy, who often wrote about the Illuminati and some say was investigating pedophile sex rings, and died in a hospital from "sickle cell anemia complications" - his family pursued a wrongful death suit in 2018.

Pablo Nergigante
Apr 16, 2002

Ian Curtis

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

Perry Mason Jar posted:

Well I believe it's theoretically possible to sidestep the corrupting effects of wealth, and I know how it can be accomplished, but if you're going at it without conscious effort to beat back the influence it would be all but impossible. Siddhartha Gautama pulled it off, at least.

It's theoretically possible in about the same sense it's theoretically possible to be a moral slavemaster. It is inherently dehumanizing to base your life around harming and exploiting others, which is what being extremely rich is. When faced with the scale of what you're doing you have to choose to embrace either empathy or cruelty; empathy won't allow you to continue (and will certainly have weeded you out before you reach billionaire levels of grotesquerie) and cruelty obliges you to double down in much the same way all those ICE guards feel compelled to further and further obsessive sadism.

Christoph posted:

There's at least one example in my life of Epstein brain radicalizing a friend. Others have shared episodes too. The idea that our lives are run not just by billionaires but pedophile billionaires is weirdly liberating because it discredits the existence of meritocracy.

I have no idea how anyone in 2019 maintains the belief that those enjoying wealth and power got there by being smart, good, or even particularly competent, but yeah people cling to that poo poo like a fuckin liferaft

A Wizard of Goatse has issued a correction as of 19:14 on Aug 14, 2019

Ace of Baes
Jul 7, 1977

Perry Mason Jar posted:

Well I believe it's theoretically possible to sidestep the corrupting effects of wealth, and I know how it can be accomplished, but if you're going at it without conscious effort to beat back the influence it would be all but impossible. Siddhartha Gautama pulled it off, at least.


Coast Guard huh?

Did you know some people get zero effect from opiates? Like they can shoot up pure uncut heroin and their body just doesn't react, they don't get high or sick or anything, it's incredibly rare though, I figure non-sicko billionaires if they exist have a similar explanation.

Ace of Baes
Jul 7, 1977
https://twitter.com/CNBC/status/1161478865279209472?s=19

WampaLord
Jan 14, 2010

A Wizard of Goatse posted:

I have no idea how anyone in 2019 maintains the belief that those enjoying wealth and power got there by being smart, good, or even particularly competent, but yeah people cling to that poo poo like a fuckin liferaft

For a lot of these people, the idea that the world is just and meritocracy is real is the only thing holding back total insanity and realization that they have effectively 0 control over their own lives so they loving cling to it hard

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
what about Biggie

01011001
Dec 26, 2012


wow it's just going off all the time, weird

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

Jose posted:

This usually Hollywood secrets blog reckons things are even better for child traffickers than ever

https://www.crazydaysandnights.net/2019/08/todays-blind-items-funding.html?m=1

according to a comment, the probable guess is Rachel Chandler of the Midland Agency, the source being Fergie of all people because she's married to Prince Andrew

Gum
Mar 9, 2008

oho, a rapist
time to try this puppy out

Retiring to spend more time with someone else's kids

Grevling
Dec 18, 2016

What about GG Allen?

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

WampaLord posted:

For a lot of these people, the idea that the world is just and meritocracy is real is the only thing holding back total insanity and realization that they have effectively 0 control over their own lives so they loving cling to it hard

yeah definitely noticed a lot of that with conspiracy theory stuff too, like if everything's hosed it must be because an all-powerful cabal wants things hosed in exactly this way and everything's going to plan, and all reasoning must flow from there to whatever crazyass Soviet mind beam conclusions it takes you to; any idea is acceptable except that everyone in power is an absolute fuckin moron flailing desperately to keep their own station in a chaotic world and generally loving up disastrously

I'd buy that Epstein's one of the rare perfect moments that can break through that rationalization because no matter what angle you look at it from this whole thing is some Burn After Reading poo poo starring every big name in America

A Wizard of Goatse has issued a correction as of 19:27 on Aug 14, 2019

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

Grevling posted:

What about GG Allen?

More like GG no re Allen

MeatwadIsGod
Sep 30, 2004

Foretold by Gyromancy

And this guy is the CEO of a shipping analytics company?

*crack*

*ping*

Anukis
Jan 23, 2006

I'm an empathetic, sensitive, educated, intellectually curious non-idiot. Hi.

gradenko_2000 posted:

lol remember when the CIA went around pretending to be part of a vaccination program

You're going to need to be a lot more specific.

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

Dr. Killjoy posted:

My father’s a Freemason, and my mother’s a Laveyan Satanist, so I gently caress my children at the 7/11.

gh0stpinballa
Mar 5, 2019

how frequent is it to go from being a coast guard to council of foreign relations, afaf

ikanreed
Sep 25, 2009

I honestly I have no idea who cannibal[SIC] is and I do not know why I should know.

syq dude, just syq!

Anukis posted:

You're going to need to be a lot more specific.

Well there's the time they were drawing blood from everyone in Pakistan claiming to vaccinate in order find bin laden, which led to a polio outbreak as people avoided vaccination

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

Anukis posted:

You're going to need to be a lot more specific.

the most famous example of this is SEAL Team 6 and the capture of Osama bin Laden

Perry Mason Jar
Feb 24, 2006

"Della? Take a lid"

A Wizard of Goatse posted:

It's theoretically possible in about the same sense it's theoretically possible to be a moral slavemaster. It is inherently dehumanizing to base your life around harming and exploiting others, which is what being extremely rich is. When faced with the scale of what you're doing you have to choose to embrace either empathy or cruelty; empathy won't allow you to continue (and will certainly have weeded you out before you reach billionaire levels of grotesquerie) and cruelty obliges you to double down in much the same way all those ICE guards feel compelled to further and further obsessive sadism.

It's certainly impossible to do to (and possibly at) a certain scale.

Like I can become rich insofar as making six figures and maintain empathy/humanity, but if I become richer than that I lost it along the path (i.e., I would not arrive at billionaire status without already having lost empathy - mostly). Becoming is not necessary to being wealthy, you can simple be rich, as is the case with inherited wealth which represents the vast majority of the bourgeoisie (and to take it a step further everybody in the Western world is wealthy relative to those in the Global South). If you do become rich without inheritance it can still be done without exploitation of others -- you win the lotto, sign a record/sport deal, etc. Those two classes of people don't suffer from the inherently dehumanizing exploitation of others per se (false consciousness figures here, too) but are nonetheless susceptible to the dehumanizing effect of wealth itself but, again, this is a likelihood not a guarantee.

On this principle alone, given the relative wealth of USAsians, you start to understand the morality of Americans writ large - why Americans have no problem with endless wars, police brutality, poverty, and so on.

Perry Mason Jar has issued a correction as of 19:36 on Aug 14, 2019

Agean90
Jun 28, 2008


Spying in the middle East and central asia by pretending to be doctors is older than the us, its surprising doctors aren't harassed more often

Ate My Balls Redux
Aug 2, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Perry Mason Jar posted:

It's my firm belief that these were not people who were depraved and then became rich but that becoming/being rich makes you depraved. I will not be elaborating further.

This is one of the reasons I find prosperity gospel so loving gross. The bible warns of a very real spiritual danger associated with the accumulation of wealth and these fuckers not only ignore it, they advocate for the complete opposite.

WampaLord
Jan 14, 2010

A Wizard of Goatse posted:

yeah definitely noticed a lot of that with conspiracy theory stuff too, like if everything's hosed it must be because an all-powerful cabal wants things hosed in exactly this way and everything's going to plan, and all reasoning must flow from there to whatever crazyass Soviet mind beam conclusions it takes you to; any idea is acceptable except that everyone in power is an absolute fuckin moron flailing desperately to keep their own station in a chaotic world and generally loving up disastrously

I'd buy that Epstein's one of the rare perfect moments that can break through that rationalization because no matter what angle you look at it from this whole thing is some Burn After Reading poo poo starring every big name in America

one would think but there's a bunch of non-media people desperately trying to say "look it's totally normal, prisoners kill themselves all the time" and i just can't even with what the gently caress is going on with their tiny feeble brains

there's been one other suicide at the MCC and it was 20 years ago lmao

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Ace of Baes
Jul 7, 1977

ikanreed posted:

Well there's the time they were drawing blood from everyone in Pakistan claiming to vaccinate in order find bin laden, which led to a polio outbreak as people avoided vaccination

Also the classic tuskagee experiment

"The Tuskegee Study of Untreated Syphilis in the African American[a] was an infamous and unethical clinical study conducted between 1932 and 1972 by the U.S. Public Health Service.[1][2] The purpose of this study was to observe the natural history of untreated syphilis; the African-American men in the study were only told they were receiving free health care from the United States government.[3]

The Public Health Service started working on this study in 1932 in collaboration with Tuskegee University, a historically black college in Alabama. Investigators enrolled in the study a total of 600 impoverished, African-American sharecroppers from Macon County, Alabama. Of these men, 399 had previously contracted syphilis before the study began, and 201 did not have the disease.[2] The men were given free medical care, meals, and free burial insurance for participating in the study. The men were told that the study was only going to last six months, but it actually lasted 40 years.[2] After funding for treatment was lost, the study was continued without informing the men that they would never be treated. None of the men were told that they had the disease, and none were treated with penicillin even after the antibiotic was proven to successfully treat syphilis. According to the Centers for Disease Control, the men were told that they were being treated for "bad blood", a colloquialism that described various conditions such as syphilis, anemia, and fatigue. "Bad blood"—specifically the collection of illnesses the term included—was a leading cause of death within the southern African-American community.[2"

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