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I loved cabinet of dr caligari, couldn't get along with casablanca.
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BioEnchanted posted:I loved cabinet of dr caligari, couldn't get along with casablanca. I had the opposite experience, how interesting
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Aug 13, 2019 04:29
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The Cabinet of Dr Caligari, aka the source of Tim Burton's entire... deal.
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Aug 13, 2019 09:38
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Ghost Leviathan posted:The Cabinet of Dr Caligari, aka the source of Tim Burton's entire... deal. It forms a common link between old movies and old 3d videogames - they couldn't do the lighting they wanted so they painted the lighting straight onto the objects. :P
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Aug 13, 2019 17:49
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Listening to the I Was There Too where they're interviewing the Catherine Martin actress from Silence of the Lambs and I totally never got the symbolism of Martin walking out of Jame Gumb's house holding the white dog like it was Starling saving the lamb. Also the part where everyone talking to Starling is filmed looking at her straight on (intimidation?) whereas Starling's POV is always to the side of whoever she's talking to. I own the Criterion edition of SotLs and the lack of a commentary track always pissed me off to no end so I get to learn this poo poo 30 years later.
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Aug 16, 2019 01:48
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Krispy Wafer posted:Listening to the I Was There Too where they're interviewing the Catherine Martin actress from Silence of the Lambs and I totally never got the symbolism of Martin walking out of Jame Gumb's house holding the white dog like it was Starling saving the lamb. I love when the type of poo poo I would make up in college essays is intentional.
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Aug 16, 2019 05:24
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I'm reminded of Gravity Falls that basically went "What if we made a show where looking into codes and foreshadowing like a crazy person actually had results?" Though a lot of modern shows like that. Steven Universe has a ton of stuff that is cast in a whole new light after one big reveal.
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Aug 16, 2019 05:36
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I'm reminded of Gravity Falls that basically went "What if we made a show where looking into codes and foreshadowing like a crazy person actually had results?" Though a lot of modern shows like that. Steven Universe has a ton of stuff that is cast in a whole new light after one big reveal. Dude! I bought my kids Journal 3 (they made a hardbound version of the one Dipper finds/uses on the show, it's rad) and the amount of coded poo poo they put into the show is insane. They made a bunch of coded, preplanned throughlines between the show, the book, and actual mythology that are incredibly dense and fun. Gravity Falls is one of those things I wish were around when I was a kid.
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Aug 16, 2019 07:09
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Pissed Ape Sexist posted:Dude! I bought my kids Journal 3 (they made a hardbound version of the one Dipper finds/uses on the show, it's rad) and the amount of coded poo poo they put into the show is insane. They made a bunch of coded, preplanned throughlines between the show, the book, and actual mythology that are incredibly dense and fun. Gravity Falls is one of those things I wish were around when I was a kid. I think your last sentence is pretty much exactly what their mission statement was. Same with SU probably. Most of the people making cartoons grow up watching them, so a lot of the new stuff is weird pastiches of old stuff plus a copious helping of the anime they also watched and video games they played, and social commentary they've learned to run rings around the censors with.
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Aug 16, 2019 11:38
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I think your last sentence is pretty much exactly what their mission statement was. Same with SU probably. Most of the people making cartoons grow up watching them, so a lot of the new stuff is weird pastiches of old stuff plus a copious helping of the anime they also watched and video games they played, and social commentary they've learned to run rings around the censors with. Don't forget that they also manage to force in their insidious PC gone mad SJW agenda brainwashing kids to think such evil thoughts like *gasp* "gay people exist, and its not a bad thing" I also think it's not a bad thing
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Aug 16, 2019 14:05
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BrigadierSensible posted:Don't forget that they also manage to force in their insidious PC gone mad SJW agenda brainwashing kids to think such evil thoughts like *gasp* "gay people exist, and its not a bad thing" To be fair, you have to have a high IQ to understand it.
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Aug 17, 2019 19:13
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I'm reminded of Gravity Falls that basically went "What if we made a show where looking into codes and foreshadowing like a crazy person actually had results?" Though a lot of modern shows like that. Steven Universe has a ton of stuff that is cast in a whole new light after one big reveal. Can you tell us what these things are?
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Aug 18, 2019 01:14
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synthetik posted:Can you tell us what these things are? Sure. Spoilers ahead for.... basically all of Steven Universe. Steven's mom, who for most of the show is called Rose Quartz, is actually Pink Diamond, one of four Diamonds that rule Gem society. She rebelled and faked her own death for lots of reasons and hosed over LOTS of people to prevent the Earth from being hollowed out and turned into a Gem planet. Then she never told her closest allies, and eventually decided she wanted to make life so turned herself into Steven and basically died so he could exist. He has all of her powers and none of her memories and has to deal with the fallout of all of her terrible terrible choices.
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Aug 18, 2019 01:30
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Thanks! That’s a lot more involved than I expected.
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Aug 18, 2019 03:33
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A lot of the foreshadowing is all over the place, including the pilot episode and even some of the spinoff video games, mostly revolving around how Rose Quartz and thus Steven is actually a completely different kind of Gem than he and almost everyone else thinks he is, and the confusion from both the Crystal Gems and Homeworld on the way Rose Quartz acted and what exactly happened to Pink Diamond when her 'death' was the whole reason the war escalated so rapidly. The real funny thing is that a lot of that foreshadowing is symbolic or comes from the most ridiculous places; Steven's whole birthday tradition of dressing up as a king becomes fitting when you realise he's basically a hidden prince, his association with Lion, the most regal of animals, and the already dubiously canon yet not really ignorable Uncle Grandpa crossover episode has Uncle Grandpa leave off with giving advice to Steven about taking care of his gem- advice which doesn't match up with the real-life cleaning and care of a rose quartz, but DOES match that for a pink diamond. (Which is certainly on purpose given how much the show uses reference to the qualities of gems both physical and cultural to inform it and make in-jokes). Some people had actually guessed a lot of plot points early on from interpreting both literal and thematic foreshadowing and noting a few things that were conspicuously absent, given the show also has some very consistent elements of presentation; nearly all of it is directly from Steven's point of view, so flashbacks are usually presented as people telling him what happened, some of which take place in a shadow-puppet animation style that's a reference to Revolutionary Girl Utena. (Along with a shitload of other references to that in the show. The creators are clearly huge weebs) And like Utena, that flashback style is a visual cue that the information being presented is suspect; especially since the voices are usually in-universe narrated rather than the actual characters' VAs. On top of that, a key element in the show as more Gems are presented is that since they're basically clones based on a template, all Gems of the same type have the same name and colour and look extremely similar, and are voiced by the same actor; every Pearl, every Amethyst, every Ruby, etc. We never see or hear another Rose Quartz gem clearly until after the big reveal, because it'd be an implicit spoiler that actual Rose Quartzes have a different voice actor. It tends to trip nerds up a lot because you have to look at things both literally and allegorically to get the full picture.
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Aug 18, 2019 06:37
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Once upon a time in Hollywood: at one point Cliff opens the trunk of his car and there's no trademark Tarantino trunk shot. This sounds like I'm being glib but it does actually feel very deliberate, it's his first movie in ten years in a setting that even has car trunks and he's passing up the opportunity, almost as if to say "hey, it's not about me, it's about the Hollywood of the 60s". Although considering who we're talking about here this would actually be a monumental change of philosophy. And I don't even remember if he dropped that shot even earlier. Maybe I am just being glib. also the feet thing is getting to the point of self-parody on this one so
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Aug 18, 2019 14:04
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Just got around to watching Jumanji: Welcome to the Jungle I liked how at the end when the game is reset after being beaten, the camera zooms out and you see the paths and green crystal form the same shape as the original board game
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Aug 18, 2019 14:37
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My Lovely Horse posted:Once upon a time in Hollywood: at one point Cliff opens the trunk of his car and there's no trademark Tarantino trunk shot. Aside from the very end and of course all the drat feet it didn’t really feel like a Tarantino movie to me. It didn’t have any of his usual dialogue, and felt very grounded in reality vs his usual hyper reality where everyone speaks like Quentin Tarantino. I hadn’t thought of the trunk shot thing till you pointed it out, but yeah, I’m sure it was a deliberate choice and that’s a nice catch.
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Aug 18, 2019 14:48
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Yeah I felt the same way (another layer of meaning to the trunk bit could be "I'm not doing the same stuff I used to do anymore"). The first 90 minutes or so I even thought, this might be the one where good old Quentin bit off a bit more than he could chew, and started comparing it to Hail Caesar, which if you mentally put up Tarantino directly against the Coens you realize quickly it's not even a contest, but the ending really drove home what he was saying and now I think it might even be one of his better ones. Said message of the ending basically being movies allow us to make your own reality where things are better and e.g. Sharon Tate doesn't get horribly murdered [or Hitler gets assassinated in 1944] and that's the literal fairytale, see title, magic of Hollywood.
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Aug 18, 2019 16:47
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Krispy Wafer posted:Listening to the I Was There Too where they're interviewing the Catherine Martin actress from Silence of the Lambs and I totally never got the symbolism of Martin walking out of Jame Gumb's house holding the white dog like it was Starling saving the lamb. I can't link to it, but the youtube series Every Frame a Painting goes into shots like this. It's been a while, but I think the episode is called who wins the scene or something like that. It also examines the scenes in Se7en that have a similar style. Really the whole series is great, especially the Kurosawa episode on movement telling the story.
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Aug 18, 2019 17:11
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Just watch all of Tony Zhou's Every Frame a Painting because they are fantastic. You'll also be overcome with sadness at the end when you realize there won't be anymore.
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Aug 18, 2019 17:19
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I still haven't watched every episode of Every Frame's a Painting because I don't want it to end. Was there ever a reason given for stopping it? Some really good YouTube content never finds an audience, but I don't think there's a single episode of EFaP that doesn't have more than a million views. It seems weird to just walk away from something like that.
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Aug 18, 2019 18:51
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Krispy Wafer posted:I still haven't watched every episode of Every Frame's a Painting because I don't want it to end. https://medium.com/@tonyszhou/postmortem-1b338537fabc they got busy, basically
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Aug 18, 2019 18:57
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Season 2 Episode 4 of Mindhunter (not a spoiler): During the interview with Elmer Wayne Henley, when Elmer gets upset because he thinks the interviewer is insinuating that he was gay, he stands up and yells a few slurs while an arrow on the wall is pointing right at him.  Once he sits down, the label is still there (and I just noticed the position of the prisoners outside the room  ) but after he calms down, the camera angle changes.  I just watched Sharp Objects and that was full of this kind of stuff so it really stuck out to me.
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Aug 22, 2019 16:33
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I recently saw Le Planete Sauvage, a 70's French animated film about aliens who keep humans, which they call "oms", as pets. I'd very much recommend it, it's beautiful and surreal. Anyway, right now I'm listening to the soundtrack on spotify and I saw a track listed as "le cite des hommes libres" and thought "that's weird they call them humans in the score... ooooh right, hommes = oms  "Probably less subtle if you're French bitterandtwisted has a new favorite as of 09:04 on Aug 23, 2019 |
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Aug 23, 2019 08:58
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My Lovely Horse posted:Speaking of fight choreography, in Kung Fu Killer a serial killer targets martial arts masters, and he takes on each in their own fighting style, some based around kicks, some around strikes or weapons etc. And sure enough, in the final showdown between the hero and the killer, they fight using all the styles in the same order the murders happened. Maybe not particularly subtle and kind of an obvious choice but it was well done. I love that movie. Wang Baoqiang and Donnie Yen 
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Aug 23, 2019 15:18
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Friend posted:Season 2 Episode 4 of Mindhunter (not a spoiler): I definitely wouldn't have caught that. And I have been trying to pay extra attention to this season for subtle or even blatant imagery.
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Aug 23, 2019 21:28
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Rare Double Post
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Aug 23, 2019 21:29
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Kramdar posted:Rare Double Post I saw it coming
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Aug 23, 2019 23:55
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I was just watching Jurassic Park, briefly, and when the automated cars start, if you listen carefully, you can hear Tim yelling 'Aaaah! A ghost is driving the car!' It was cute.
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Aug 24, 2019 09:20
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Samovar posted:I was just watching Jurassic Park, briefly, and when the automated cars start, if you listen carefully, you can hear Tim yelling 'Aaaah! A ghost is driving the car!' The first few minutes of JP pretty much show you all the themes as well as exactly what's going to happen in the rest of the film. Oh no, a horrible King-Kong-esque giant monster is coming through the trees - oh wait, it's just a forklift (modern technology) blindly crashing along, pushing nature out of its way. This poo poo is dangerous but we've got dozens of trained professionals and all sorts of security protocols in place - whoops, poo poo went horribly wrong and here comes the yelling and the screaming anyway! The team desperately initiates the safety measures and tries to save the badly mauled guy from ~ ah gently caress it, just shoot it and cut our losses, nothing can be saved, we're done. Edit: another subtle JP moment: about halfway though the movie there's a scene where Hammond is sitting in the JP restaurant eating tubs of icecream and he explains to Ellie that since the power was off the icecream was going to melt and he didn't want to let it go to waste. Later when the kids are trying to escape from the raptors in the kitchen Tim lures one into the walk-in freezer and only just manages to trap it because it's slipping around on the wet floor ... which is flooded with melted ice because Hammond left the door open when he was getting the icecream. Snowglobe of Doom has a new favorite as of 16:50 on Aug 24, 2019 |
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Aug 24, 2019 16:33
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:The first few minutes of JP pretty much show you all the themes as well as exactly what's going to happen in the rest of the film. Oh no, a horrible King-Kong-esque giant monster is coming through the trees - oh wait, it's just a forklift (modern technology) blindly crashing along, pushing nature out of its way. This poo poo is dangerous but we've got dozens of trained professionals and all sorts of security protocols in place - whoops, poo poo went horribly wrong and here comes the yelling and the screaming anyway! The team desperately initiates the safety measures and tries to save the badly mauled guy from ~ ah gently caress it, just shoot it and cut our losses, nothing can be saved, we're done. I remembered that I posted that last one in this thread and I went back to find it. It was almost four years ago. That's insane. I love that bit. It plays into Chaos. Life found a way to survive, through Hammond not caring about shutting the door, since the power was out either way. MichiganCubbie posted:Everyone knows this scene from Jurassic Park:
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Aug 24, 2019 20:39
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Hammond is still a tool. Keep stuff cold a bit longer and close the door behind you.
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Aug 24, 2019 21:32
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Cat Hatter posted:Hammond is still a tool. Keep stuff cold a bit longer and close the door behind you. And thats why your grandkids will get eaten by velociraptors.
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Aug 24, 2019 21:43
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SiKboy posted:And thats why your grandkids will get eaten by velociraptors. Probably, but they'll enjoy slightly firmer ice cream if they survive. ...or have some ice again to put on a wound when everything is over
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Aug 24, 2019 21:44
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Cat Hatter posted:Hammond is still a tool. Keep stuff cold a bit longer and close the door behind you. he's got like 5 bigass tubs of ice cream on the table, he probably didn't close the door because his hands were full and why make two trips?
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Aug 24, 2019 23:30
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CaptainViolence posted:he's got like 5 bigass tubs of ice cream on the table, he probably didn't close the door because his hands were full and why make two trips? Didn't that door open outwards? He's got legs to kick it shut. (I'll concede this point if the door opened inwards) I'm just still salty that during the last power outage my roommate opened the fridge and let all the cold air out, ruining most of the food before I could get the generator going.
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Aug 25, 2019 01:42
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Cat Hatter posted:Didn't that door open outwards? He's got legs to kick it shut. (I'll concede this point if the door opened inwards) Woulda saved your life during the dinosaur apocalyse so i think you're the rear end in a top hat in that situation
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Aug 25, 2019 01:48
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Cat Hatter posted:I'm just still salty that during the last power outage my roommate opened the fridge and let all the cold air out, ruining most of the food before I could get the generator going. Um...how long does that typically take? Pretty sure most of your food would be OK for more than a few hours. Or did it like happen overnight or something?
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Aug 25, 2019 14:38
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Maybe he lives on Mercury, you don't know 
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