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AAII has gotten overhyped because it filters out people who don’t like it in the first place in AAI and leaves people expecting the best game in the series to be disappointed( it isn’t really a crowd pleaser imo)
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IMO AAI2 *is* the best game in the series though. Which is not to say it's perfect, but none of the other games are. I mean what are the other candidates? AA1? Many of the cases are too straightforward, and it pulls the thing of having Mia *just tell you the solution* too often. AA2? Has only the one good case, even though it's a doozy. AA3? I guess this really comes down to how much you like Dahlia and Godot. Me I found Godot's characterisation inconsistent and annoying, and Dahlia is just too one-note Evil. AA6? This probably comes down to how much you like Apollo, and buy the idea of Sahdmadhi as an honorable opponent and not, well, a worse Franziska. Fangz fucked around with this message at 14:45 on Aug 15, 2019 |
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Aug 15, 2019 14:42
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While Sahdmadhi is imo a weak prosecutor (for arguably story reasons depending on how you choose to interpret what’s implied) I’ll always like him because he respects Ema’s talent and assistance.
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Aug 15, 2019 15:27
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He was ok but I miss Klavier.
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Aug 15, 2019 17:09
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Nobody is as good as Edgeworth. Blackquill comes close, but I'm a huge fuckin weeb Manfred Von Karma was great, but who knows how quickly he would have worn out his welcome
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Aug 15, 2019 17:18
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I like Franziska but she's a much better character as a tertiary ally than a primary antagonist
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Manfred von Karma is great but he's so transparently evil that he could only work as an antagonist for one case.
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Aug 15, 2019 17:39
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AAI2 connects Edgeworth's character arc between the main series trilogies in such a perfect way.
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Regy Rusty posted:Manfred von Karma is great but he's so transparently evil that he could only work as an antagonist for one case.
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Aug 15, 2019 21:00
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I think the thing with AAI is that it's really hard to tell where you are in a given case unless you pay attention to what your savefile says ("Beginning, Middle, End") - I can say "Court Day 2" in an AA game and understand that just fine, but with AAI cases it feels like you're on a long marathon until the end since the argument sections are more akin to random battles than long stretches where you're really in it for a while.
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Aug 15, 2019 22:02
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Like the one with Quercus where you are 7 hours in and 15% done
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Aug 15, 2019 22:07
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Alder posted:He was ok but I miss Klavier. Replaying AJ, I regret to remind you that while Klavier is excellent (alongside Kristoph), you will get tired of Guilty Love so fast Not to mention, well, Lamiroir's theme. Guitar, Guitar is tedious the first time you hear it, and every single freaking time it comes up it's damned unskippable. god I want to get to Feenie's disbarmant and the Mason system so bad
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Aug 15, 2019 22:27
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Klavier's air guitar, the first few times you see it: Amazing Klavier's air guitar, the fifth time in a row between video clips that are seconds too long each: BE A NORMAL loving PERSON
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Aug 15, 2019 22:32
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Waffleman_ posted:Klavier's air guitar, the first few times you see it: Amazing I kinda have this reaction with some of the 3DS games where some of the animations are way too frequent for how long they are, I feel.
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Waffleman_ posted:Klavier's air guitar, the first few times you see it: Amazing Ironically Klavier is probably the most normal out of all the prosecutors next to Edgeworth.
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Kaiser Mazoku posted:Ironically Klavier is probably the most normal out of all the prosecutors next to Edgeworth. Yeah and he cares the least about being Right, which I respect. Iirc he backs down far quicker than any other prosecutor would've, except maybe Simon I like Klavier a lot and like his appearances in later games. And unrelatedly 4-1 is still the best tutorial case in the series
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Aug 16, 2019 00:56
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Simon is wonderful and I noticed in the DLC case that his bird laughs when he does. Rescued case 4 of AA6 singlehandedly (though I liked the disassociative person too).
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FairGame posted:Simon is wonderful and I noticed in the DLC case that his bird laughs when he does. I like when he slams the desk and the bird looks shocked
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rewatching AA5 definitely reminded me that I love every time Taka lands on the Judge's head
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https://twitter.com/aceattorneybot/status/1162184578108395526
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Waffleman_ posted:I like Franziska but she's a much better character as a tertiary ally than a primary antagonist she's just "von karma but not a villain" so yeah it turns out that manfred was a great guy to have on your side
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Aug 16, 2019 04:06
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Hasn't he only returned for one case?
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SyntheticPolygon posted:Hasn't he only returned for one case? this but every time he appeared in aa4 also
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Aug 16, 2019 11:56
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Klavier is the worst because he bills himself as the honest prosecutor but he's a worse cheater than anyone short of Manfred himself and doesn't even have the excuse of wanting to win or being a dick who needs you to prove yourself. You don't even get the catharsis of beating him or teaching him to not be garbage because the game pretends he was cool all along. If AJ ended with him quitting prosecution and being a full-time rock star it would have been a much more satisfying conclusion than the other way around.
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SyntheticPolygon posted:Hasn't he only returned for one case? I could have sworn he appeared in 6-2 but looking it up it's just some flowers in Trucy's dressing room that he sent her.
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Aug 16, 2019 12:13
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Give us Bobby Fullbright's identical twin brother, Robby Fullbright. You cowards. You hacks!
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:Klavier is the worst because he bills himself as the honest prosecutor but he's a worse cheater than anyone short of Manfred himself and doesn't even have the excuse of wanting to win or being a dick who needs you to prove yourself. You don't even get the catharsis of beating him or teaching him to not be garbage because the game pretends he was cool all along. If AJ ended with him quitting prosecution and being a full-time rock star it would have been a much more satisfying conclusion than the other way around. Yeah Klavier belongs in the dumpster with Sahdmadhi. I like AJ but Apollo would've gotten a much better start to the series if his first prosecutor wasn't so lame. Getting Edgeworth on your side feels like something you've earned, Klavier just rolls over .
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I don’t like the way Klavier made fun of my forehead. I mean Apollo’s forehead.
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How did Klavier cheat again?
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Aug 16, 2019 13:31
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I think he did updated Autopsy report sort of stuff.
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Does that even still count as cheating? I thought that was like, Prosecuting 101 in Japanifornia.
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Aug 16, 2019 13:46
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Not sure you can rag him for withholding information when you frequently walk into court with a bunch of poo poo you nicked from the crime scene.
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I see any cheating by Klavier as a product of a corrupt system. He went to the same college as the one in DD and likely didn’t question how he was being taught/how he worked until he started working, or by 4-1.
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Aug 16, 2019 14:32
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But that mindset at the law college was a byproduct of the dark age of the law brought about by Phoenix getting disbarred during Klavier's first trial.
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I can imagine that exposing a celebrated attorney as a fraud in your first trial could sour you on the whole enterprise, making you feel you need to bend the rules to win in court. Having him realize that Apollo is actually being honest and that he could be likewise could've been a good arc for the character.
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Tesseraction posted:Not sure you can rag him for withholding information when you frequently walk into court with a bunch of poo poo you nicked from the crime scene. That argument doesn't really work since the police/prosecutor frequently miss or omit details. If they didn't gently caress up or cheat as much the defence wouldn't have to investigate themselves.
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Off the top of my head: 4-2: He's real dodgy about presenting a knife with the defendant's fingerprints and a murder weapon without them and never allows you to press this point, and is super eager to let Stickler and Tiala go when they're obviously guilty because there's no obvious faults in their latest testimony. That's super standard AA prosecutor stuff, but it doesn't really sell him as a chill honest prosecutor who's more concerned with the truth than winning cases. 4-3: He knows all along that Lamiroir is blind and Machi isn't and at least part of the body double act going on during the show, and withholds all of it even when it's obviously pertinent to the case. Also Machi is the most obviously innocent defendant ever and the case against him is dodgy as hell, but he doesn't even begin to question it. 4-0: He knows Phoenix had been working Zak's case for less than 24 hours and Kristoph was the guy working it beforehand, and asks zero questions when Kristoph gives him the scoop on the forged evidence. This one he at least brings up later, but he doesn't seem to feel that guilty about it. 4-4: He straight up tries to blackmail Sparkel to give false testimony in front of everyone. He's also weirdly reluctant to accept the existence of the real murder weapon after it's been proven that the coffee wasn't poisoned and there was poison in the stamp frame, but the blackmail was really blatant and it's weird that nobody ever picks up on it. It's not like it couldn't have been made to work; there's plenty of reason for Klavier to be dodgy in these cases. He knows Apollo is working for Phoenix and put Kristoph in jail using dodgy evidence. He could have a personal grudge and distrust that Apollo's investigations are fully above-board, but he never actually questions Apollo's evidence. He's got a personal stake in most of the cases, so he could have gotten defensive when he gets a whiff that Kristoph or Daryan are about to be implicated, but he's actually more cooperative when they're on the stand than anyone else. The motivation we actually get for his sleazy behavior are things like him wanting an easy win, or wanting to close the case early to get to a CD signing he booked on the same day as the trial, or one time straight up shits and giggles because he just wanted to embarass Ema. That's not chill and honest or even remotely sympathetic. Zulily Zoetrope fucked around with this message at 16:52 on Aug 16, 2019 |
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:Off the top of my head: I think it's probably testament to me powering through the DS trilogy that I kinda retroactively forgave him for all this poo poo because of how much of a shithead Sahdmadhi was so soon afterwards. I think it also helps that while that concert video was unskippable and crap, I pissed myself at his guitar bursting into flames every time, especially when he's rolling around on the floor like a numpty and no-one cares. Really relieved my annoyance at him.
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Yeah. The trilogy prosecutors all tend to engage in that stuff too but they get redemption arcs, or at least an "actually I guess I'm bad" moment. It feels worse coming from someone who never seems to admit fault or develop.
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To be honest though Godot's redemption is just going "okay yeah I set up an elaborate plan to be the hero that backfired and killed Maya and Mia's mother and made another woman take the (DEATH PENTALTY) fall for it while I gleefully prosecuted her all so I could be the hero. *knocks head* tehe~"
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