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Cool how millions of people are going to be Wal-Mart greeters and/or suicide victims
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so is GE going to be bailed out or what
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Aug 15, 2019 18:50
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V. Illych L. posted:so is GE going to be bailed out or what Depends how much money the CEO gives Trump's reelection campaign
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Just for fun I punched it into google and https://www.cnbc.com/2017/02/08/ge-ceo-jeff-immelts-message-to-trump-hey-mr-president-were-running-your-play.html quote:Immelt also said he likes what Trump is doing so far when it comes to infrastructure, tax reform and regulatory reform. He plans to help Trump in any way that he can, and intends to lead by example. So yes, GE will be bailed out.
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Aug 15, 2019 18:53
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GE is a major defense contractor so its Too National Security To Fail
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Shear Modulus posted:GE is a major defense contractor so its Too National Security To Fail I was just about to post this. Both sides will gleefully give them money.
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Shear Modulus posted:GE is a major defense contractor so its Too National Security To Fail Which GE is this though. Because all the other sections of GE can be splintered off into autonomous entities and the insurance fraudster part can just die.
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Aug 15, 2019 19:47
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I'm sure the GE bailout will be immediately followed by the Boeing bailout.
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Rigged Death Trap posted:Which GE is this though. aircraft engines and missiles they also operate some nuclear reactors
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Maybe this isn't the place to ask, but I figured someone in the thread may be able to help me. What's the best organization to get involved with for protesting ICE detention centers in southern California? I live out in the desert east of LA and after seeing there incident in Rhode Island I want to protest the closest ICE site but I don't know where to start. Is the DSA organizing stuff like this?
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SoR Blaze posted:Maybe this isn't the place to ask, but I figured someone in the thread may be able to help me. What's the best organization to get involved with for protesting ICE detention centers in southern California? I live out in the desert east of LA and after seeing there incident in Rhode Island I want to protest the closest ICE site but I don't know where to start. Is the DSA organizing stuff like this? buy a rifle
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SoR Blaze posted:Maybe this isn't the place to ask, but I figured someone in the thread may be able to help me. What's the best organization to get involved with for protesting ICE detention centers in southern California? I live out in the desert east of LA and after seeing there incident in Rhode Island I want to protest the closest ICE site but I don't know where to start. Is the DSA organizing stuff like this? https://twitter.com/CHIRLA/status/1159638283338563584?s=20 Also check with your local DSA and ACLU CA as well.
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it had never occurred to me that oceania constitutes the same kind of exploitable labor relationship due to its economically peripheral status as, say, Guatemala has with the US, but I guess I'm not surprised. anyway, he's right, Australia will find them new islands with special camps on them where they will get to live and die inbetween picking mangos for bogans
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Funny thing is that Australia started enslaving pacific islanders real early and avoided a diaspora by just killing them all iirc Also see the genocide of the Tasmanians
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I found it funny that in 30 Rock capitalist reagenmonster Jack Donaghy was upset and treated it as a demotion when NBC got sold off by GE to
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Funny thing is that Australia started enslaving pacific islanders real early and avoided a diaspora by just killing them all iirc No, once "blackbirding" was over, we returned all the people we had kidnapped and enslaved back to their islands. They were given no choice in this because the "White Australia" policy was brought in around that time, so they were rounded up and shipped off. Whoops, hope you hadn't tried to make a new life for yourself, or anything. And if you believe any effort went into making sure they went back to the right island, or even a habitable one, then I have a bridge to sell you. Imagine if the US had sent all their slaves back to Africa and just offloaded them on some beach while beating their chest about how loving charitable they were being. "Thanks for the slavery, we got this now. You get nothing."
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Isn't that basically what happened with Liberia
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Megillah Gorilla posted:No, once "blackbirding" was over, we returned all the people we had kidnapped and enslaved back to their islands. It's weird how everyone forgets about the native Americans...
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Funny thing is that Australia started enslaving pacific islanders real early and avoided a diaspora by just killing them all iirc I knew a migrant farm slave laborer who was imported to work in Australia a few years ago. The poor hell-hole he was from was the tiny island nation of... New Zealand. That dude was all sorts of weird now that I'm thinking about it, like he was super right wing and often had tinges of fash show through, but he was also gay as all heck so it always felt super uncomfortable, like the two sides of him didn't quite fit together right and he had to pound them in with a hammer.
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I've never understood people with dual ideologies like that. I've met sex workers who are right wing and gay people who are hard-core no deal Brexiters.
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Shame Boy posted:I knew a migrant farm slave laborer who was imported to work in Australia a few years ago. The poor hell-hole he was from was the tiny island nation of... New Zealand. New Zealand is racist as all heck against their native population very similarly to aboriginal problems but probably not AS bad but I'm no expert. They talk about them like white people talk about welfare queens. It's almost like the spooky nebulous Other, is a scapegoat for monsters everywhere.
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Aug 16, 2019 16:07
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Bombadilillo posted:New Zealand is racist as all heck against their native population very similarly to aboriginal problems but probably not AS bad but I'm no expert. To be clear the guy was white and himself a racist against... lots of different groups, sooo  I have no idea why he was in that line of work, I think he just enjoyed getting up early and picking crops and moving to a new location every few weeks? I didn't really think about it at the time but the more I think back the weirder the dude gets.
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Shame Boy posted:To be clear the guy was white and himself a racist against... lots of different groups, sooo Just pointing out New Zeland has a reputation as being more nice and benign than Australia. It's weird. But there.
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Forceholy posted:gay people who are hard-core no deal Brexiters. Lexit is a(n incredibly stupid) thing
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Forceholy posted:I've never understood people with dual ideologies like that. I've met sex workers who are right wing and gay people who are hard-core no deal Brexiters. I haven’t been following other than via the CSPAM thread, so I’m missing something: how is Brexit going to be bad for gay people? (other than the chaos and institutional dysfunction that would affect everyone, obviously)
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Bombadilillo posted:Just pointing out New Zeland has a reputation as being more nice and benign than Australia. It's weird. But there. Every colonial state loooooves making GBS threads on the natives
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Subjunctive posted:I haven’t been following other than via the CSPAM thread, so I’m missing something: how is Brexit going to be bad for gay people? (other than the chaos and institutional dysfunction that would affect everyone, obviously) Get a load of this. Theres people who say they are Christian's, who are actively harmful to the widows and orphans and the immigrants! Some are even rich! Boy I tell yah
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Subjunctive posted:I haven’t been following other than via the CSPAM thread, so I’m missing something: how is Brexit going to be bad for gay people? (other than the chaos and institutional dysfunction that would affect everyone, obviously) Economic recession, the brunt of which would invariably be carried by minorities under a Tory government. And Brexit is the work of the fash (lol Lexit) so supporting it means aligning with a bunch of homophobes. One of the Brexit Party's key politicians, Ann Widdecombe, believes science can find a solution to being gay.
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Forceholy posted:I've never understood people with dual ideologies like that. I've met sex workers who are right wing and gay people who are hard-core no deal Brexiters. you can be a straight white male with no empathy for people other than yourself, and you can also be a gay person, sex worker, whatever with no empathy for people other than yourself. there's no paradox there
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Subjunctive posted:I haven’t been following other than via the CSPAM thread, so I’m missing something: how is Brexit going to be bad for gay people? (other than the chaos and institutional dysfunction that would affect everyone, obviously)
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little munchkin posted:you can be a straight white male with no empathy for people other than yourself, and you can also be a gay person, sex worker, whatever with no empathy for people other than yourself. there's no paradox there It's not a paradox it's just weird, like they always feel like they're very uncomfortable with the different parts of themselves and the different ideas jumbling around and butting up against each other in their head. You get increasingly bizarre rationalizations too, like I remember one guy we found in the dork enlightenment mock thread (maybe it was nyd?) who was gay but to them their form of gay is ok because it was based on this idea that gay men need to be these ultra-manly viking warriors who have honorable gay sex before they go off to battle barbarians or something, it was... interesting... Shame Boy has issued a correction as of 17:02 on Aug 16, 2019 |
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Thanatosian posted:It's like gay people who vote Republican in the U.S. because they want lower taxes. Or like Tim Cook being Tim Cook: 
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Thanatosian posted:It's like gay people who vote Republican in the U.S. because they want lower taxes. yeah, but republicans in the US have as a policy plank various regressive anti-gay measures. brexit seemed to be mostly targeted at immigrants, and I hadn’t seen a description of how it would be bad for gay people any more than for straight people. I suppose there is always more and it is always worse.
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I mean, one of the OG Nazis was a gay man (who got killed as soon as Hitler didn't need him).
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Well-off white people will defend their privilege first and foremost above anything else and convince themselves that the fascists will totally let them keep their money and still be on TV as long as they help shut the commies up.
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Subjunctive posted:yeah, but republicans in the US have as a policy plank various regressive anti-gay measures. brexit seemed to be mostly targeted at immigrants, and I hadn’t seen a description of how it would be bad for gay people any more than for straight people. I suppose there is always more and it is always worse. Ignoring the implications of the brexiteers themselves being homophobes that has already been brought up, yeah I don't think there's any particular reason why [cis, white] gays will have a harder time than anyone else. Of course if you include transpeople, the story gets a lot more bleak - there's already been a run on stuff like estrogen (mostly driven by cis women who use HRT post-menopause) and even the online places jacked up the price now, and I'm guessing it's only going to get worse.
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Subjunctive posted:yeah, but republicans in the US have as a policy plank various regressive anti-gay measures. brexit seemed to be mostly targeted at immigrants, and I hadn’t seen a description of how it would be bad for gay people any more than for straight people. I suppose there is always more and it is always worse. Most of the pro-Brexit groups are anti-gay.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Well-off white people will defend their privilege first and foremost above anything else and convince themselves that the fascists will totally let them keep their money and still be on TV as long as they help shut the commies up. 53% of white women voted for Trump
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Minority identities happens different to rich and poor. I am trans in a really, really different way than Caitlyn Jenner, because in all likelihood I'll never have surgery, hand made flattering clothing, and a team of makeup people. I get medicaid estrogen, thrift store skirts and drugstore makeup put on by myself. We're both transgender since we both ID as a different gender than the one we were assigned at birth, but the experience of having access to power and resources matters. I have no doubt that most people she talks to call her madam, since most of the people she will meet work for her and could/would get canned -- whereas most of the people I meet in a day are the customers (who think I work for them.) It's an entirely different world to interact with on the bougies. She'll probably still get shat on as much as any of us poor trans women should that money and power go away, but the only way anyone has that much money is exploiting others for however long she hasn't actually done work. Rich people are rich first, at least as far as their wallets count, since anyone who isn't doesn't get rich. The same thing applies to anyone with power, or anyone who thinks they're gonna get that power any day now.
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