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Na cuz that would be the proper reaction to that situation instead of people being outraged a killer only lost his job. Oh well. Literally americanpolice.txt. Atleast now hes a good cop
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Stravag posted:Na cuz that would be the proper reaction to that situation instead of people being outraged a killer only lost his job. Oh well. Literally americanpolice.txt. Until some county department hires him.
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Aug 19, 2019 19:01
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Right. He wouldnt have a problem getting a job places delete your record after a year or whatever
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Aug 19, 2019 19:04
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Stravag posted:Right. He wouldnt have a problem getting a job places delete your record after a year or whatever The cop who shot Michael Brown was still unemployed last time I checked.
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Stravag posted:Right. He wouldnt have a problem getting a job places delete your record after a year or whatever that's for criminal offenses at the violation level in NYS and applies to everyone in NYS not cops This was an administrative trial, not a criminal trial with the results carried live on most major news networks. A criminal background check will return no results, but a Google search- yeah that's gonna be around forever. Most "gypsy cops" are allowed to resign in lieu of firing and bounce around small town departments that pay $12 a hour part time and don't do background checks, not guys that made near six figures and got fired live on CNN.
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Aug 19, 2019 19:19
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Is spitting in the street a criminal offense in Portland like it is in in Singapore? https://twitter.com/feefifofummmm/status/1162935241582841857 If not how insecure are those loving snowflakes.
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"We can't uphold our oath while abiding by a reasonable expectation to not murder people at every encounter." I love unions but police unions are hosed.
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Hey someone said stop resisting after they got the body to the coroners office so its not murder just a legal application of force
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hobbesmaster posted:Is spitting in the street a criminal offense in Portland like it is in in Singapore? Before I say this, I want to emphasize that the overreaction was loving absurd. However...maybe don't spit on the swat team.
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That approach probably would've ended differently.
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dont sell loosies unless you want the cops to “overreact”
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Tryzzub posted:dont sell loosies unless you want the cops to “overreact” I'm not defending the murder of a man, but the job is still to arrest people committing crimes.
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thank you police force for protecting us from loose cigarettes and spit. its ok that you overreact sometimes and do irreparable bodily harm disproportionate to the crime being committed.
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Tryzzub posted:thank you police force for protecting us from loose cigarettes and spit. its ok that you overreact sometimes and do irreparable bodily harm disproportionate to the crime being committed. ITT we just post bullshit nobody said so we can self-justify outrage that was already justified.
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Tryzzub posted:thank you police force for protecting us from loose cigarettes and spit. its ok that you overreact sometimes and do irreparable bodily harm disproportionate to the crime being committed. I guess change all the laws you don't like then?
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itt we’re not siding with the cops but actually heres some reasons they were right
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Tryzzub posted:itt we’re not siding with the cops but actually heres some reasons they were right I didn't know you thought they were right. Personally, I don't think using an illegal chokehold is ok, but if you support manslaughter that's on you.
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Itt COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPS
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Tryzzub posted:itt we’re not siding with the cops but actually heres some reasons they were right Per my last post...
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Godholio posted:Before I say this, I want to emphasize that the overreaction was loving absurd. However...maybe don't spit on the swat team. It hit the ground, not the cops.
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hobbesmaster posted:It hit the ground, not the cops. You have a video that shows where the spit lands? It goes offscreen in the twitter link.
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Chichevache posted:I'm not defending the murder of a man, but the job is still to arrest people committing crimes. Part of that job, and one of the most vital parts in fact, is also knowing when and how force is justified. A cop's ego being hurt because they aren't given the deference they expect isn't a justification for use of force, no matter how much they want it to be.
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Chichevache posted:I'm not defending the murder of a man, but the job is still to arrest people committing crimes. Hey look, the distillation of one of the major problems with America’s cops: they think their job description is arresting people.
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Chichevache posted:You have a video that shows where the spit lands? It goes offscreen in the twitter link. Those cops are complete fascists assucks
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Liquid Communism posted:Part of that job, and one of the most vital parts in fact, is also knowing when and how force is justified. No one is saying hurting someone's feelings is justification for use of force. Kawasaki Nun posted:Those cops are complete fascists assucks Good contribution.
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You are hiding behind decorum while literally stating that your job is principally to arrest people. Chichevache posted:I guess change all the laws you don't like then? An American cop’s solution to American policing, folks. Cops cannot fail us, I guess. They can only be failed by the laws and that contemptible public who doesn’t change all of the laws. mlmp08 fucked around with this message at 04:31 on Aug 20, 2019 |
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mlmp08 posted:You are hiding behind decorum while literally stating that your job is principally to arrest people. The job is principally to keep the peace. Hopefully that can be solved by being an adult in the room and talking down disgruntled people or resolving something peacefully. However, at the end of the day what a cop is is a person authorized by the government to use violence. No one is saying cops can't fail you. Myself and the other officers in here go out of our way to point out the problems with corruption, bad policy, etc in this thread. However, when people go out of their way to pick fights in here because they're angry that there is a bad cop somewhere in the world, I'm not going to go out of my way to give the most serious and level response to every single angry troll. I'm not at work right now and I'm not getting paid to not be flippant when people want to be stupid.
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You go out of your way to paint yourself as a hero cop when you're just a piece of poo poo pig
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Arc Light posted:So, fair warning up front, I might ramble a bit because I've been drinking. Probably some grammar errors, too. police abolitionists (and prison abolitionists) organize around harm reduction with an overall vision of ending policing as we know it. i think it is fairly common in organizing, no matter the area, for centrists/neo-libs/trad dems etc. to look at the vision of what activists are working towards and dismiss their work in its entirety as they view it as unattainable (and if they're being honest, undesirable). i'm always suspicious of a world view that means you don't have to put in any work to achieve anything better! part of this is that police & prison abolition doesn't exist in a vacuum - people fighting for it are also fighting against the things that lead to inequality and for the things that could prevent crime. they want housing justice, reproductive justice, healthcare justice - it is all interconnected. since we're on the same page about our laws and our policing targeting things that shouldn't be criminalized, i'll skip that part of it! the one thing i'd want to add is that this isn't just about which laws we have on our books, it's about when & how they're enforced (and i guess when & how they're not enforced). the nypd just agreed to stop profiling trans women & women of color as prostitutes. landlords who are absolute scum have gently caress all happen to them. bringing up this quote again: quote:policing is not a tool of neutral unbiased law enforcement, but a fundamentally racialized, gendered, and capitalist instrument police abolition doesn't mean no justice system, but it does mean it will be fundamentally different from what we have now! the question of how we protect the vulnerable (and who does that protecting) is a good one! i would argue that our current system absolutely fails to protect the vulnerable, even when isolating things like domestic violence and sexual assault (and leaving alone the ways it actively victimizes the vulnerable). if we're concerned about victims of domestic violence there are material things we could do to assist, for example funding shelters, removing any financial barriers to leaving an abusive partner, and idk stopping abusers from being cops. i don't know a single victim of domestic violence or sexual assault who has gone to the police. again i'm no expert here but people are into different models like rehabilitation & restorative justice & transformative justice. the things we do while we wait for public healthcare etc. are the things that police/prison abolitionists are working on right now. in nyc this means ending cash bail, starting an elected civilian review board, closing rikers & opposing the construction of new jails, ending broken windows policing, decriminalizing sex work, and actively decarcerating our city. they're doing this to work towards a more just world (& of course as community defense). and if we get any of it, it'll be on the backs of these grass roots organizers! here i go again making a vital error in effortposting rather than shitposting. on the whole though i'm very uncomfortable with this subforum being used as a safe space for cops! idk why veterans welcome them into their communities like this. would genuinely like some thoughts here from any veterans!
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I'm a veteran and I say ACAB
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UP THE BUM NO BABY posted:I'm a veteran and I say ACAB
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Cops are here because most everyone with some sort of uniform ended up in GIP except tow truck drivers and loss prevention, America's true heros.
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hot sorcery posted:lol yes i know. why are their cops in the vet subforum in the first place? do veterans here jump at the chance to defend war criminals? what happens if they do? There’s also army cops, like presidential candidate Tulsi Gabbard
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Army cops are the loving worst. Giving out tickets for speeding in a war zone lol
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hot sorcery posted:lol yes i know. why are their cops in the vet subforum in the first place? do veterans here jump at the chance to defend war criminals? what happens if they do? american cops and soldiers are both parts of the same system of creating the hierarchy which defines our society, along with mass shooters, george zimmerman, and every guy who beats and eventually shoots his wife. i just listened to a fun sad podcast about this, that I'd recommend to anyone in this thread. Patrick Blanchfield gets a little too abstract for my tastes sometimes, but I get stuck thinking about the things he says, which might mean something.
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UP THE BUM NO BABY posted:Army cops are the loving worst. Giving out tickets for speeding in a war zone lol You forgot putting parking boots on armored suburbans and land cruisers.
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mlmp08 posted:An American cop’s solution to American policing, folks. I mean, it's probably easier to get rid of certain dumb laws than passing comprehensive police reform so I guess maybe try to do both?
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