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RealityWarCriminal
Aug 10, 2016

:o:
Seems to be a lot of provincial Con governments doing stupid stuff this summer

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vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

tagesschau posted:

I'm starting to think that Doug Ford's inability to stop doing stupid stuff this close to the federal election (see: municipal funding cuts today) might actually be a factor if it torpedoes Scheer in Ontario.

That's a good idea, does anyone want to do a writeup of the unpopular things Ford has done and how they tanked his approval ratings since the election?

Juul-Whip
Mar 10, 2008

infernal machines posted:

Okay, if you're going to keep repeating this do you have anything to demonstrate it as being true? Because otherwise it reads a lot like a "PC culture madness" dogwhistle, and I'm sure that's not what you intend.

Don’t engage tagessau

RuBisCO
May 1, 2009

This is definitely not a lie



littleorv posted:

I'm very excited about the prospects of a Con majority government and possibly losing my job

Same.

I've been struggling with mild anxiety for the last year knowing that a conservative government likely means my term doesn't get extended. I also just signed a mortgage this year.

It makes me feel really frustrated in that I don't particularly want to vote for centrist liberals but I feel like they're the only party with a chance.

The 2011 election still hurts.

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

I guess Pierre Nantel got over his aversion to party leaders wearing religious symbols.

Tochiazuma
Feb 16, 2007

Pinterest Mom posted:

I guess Pierre Nantel got over his aversion to party leaders wearing religious symbols.


It's not a religious symbol, it's an electromagnetic radiation blocker

Chicken
Apr 23, 2014

CanPol Elections 2019: Canada's Bernie is Bernier

RealityWarCriminal
Aug 10, 2016

:o:
We can thank Stephen harper for giving Maxime bernie a national stage

Eox
Jun 20, 2010

by Fluffdaddy
Starting to feel the bernier.

Helsing
Aug 23, 2003

DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU :love::love::love: JOE BIDEN

Pinterest Mom posted:

I guess Pierre Nantel got over his aversion to party leaders wearing religious symbols.


Uh oh, better check those flight logs.



vincentpricesboner
Sep 3, 2006

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

littleorv posted:

My riding is blue as gently caress but I'll still go and unenthusiastically vote for the least bad option anyways.

NDP got 2500 votes here last time

Same. Although I think my riding got like 1000 NDP votes. ha

EvidenceBasedQuack
Aug 15, 2015

A rock has no detectable opinion about gravity
https://twitter.com/compartycanada/status/1163222380011036674?s=19

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"


I was basically going to post this take but they beat me to it. On the flip side I'm not a tankie.

Postess with the Mostest
Apr 4, 2007

Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

infernal machines posted:

Okay, if you're going to keep repeating this do you have anything to demonstrate it as being true? Because otherwise it reads a lot like a "PC culture madness" dogwhistle, and I'm sure that's not what you intend.

https://twitter.com/fraser_brad/status/1163158754793263109?s=19

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?

Nonsense, that's not a politician it's a frakking Cylon

sitchensis
Mar 4, 2009

Canadian Election 2019: Scheer May Bernier Trudeau's Singh

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

College Slice

The Butcher posted:

Culture isn't race. It's actually OK to criticize specific cultures for being lovely, when they are in fact lovely.

Mainland China has a lovely culture. Saudi Arabia has a lovely culture. Angola has a lovely culture. The American South has a lovely culture.

None of that has anything to do with race, and we give lovely cultures like that a free pass when we falsely attach criticisms of racism to it to shut down discussion.

I'd say that this is in fact, pretty lowkey racist; and moreso than lowkey ignorance like, "If you hate porn and women expressing themselves with their bodies then you should go learn Arabic".

I can't speak for Saudi Arabia or Angola, though we all know that SA's issues probably have more to do with being a theocratic dictatorship with medieval monarchistic trappings than because of "culture".

But Mainland China has great culture, great food, great cinema, and so on, I've never been but everyone I know who is from there, or regularly visits, provide more than enough evidence to me that visiting would be a great thing to do. I bet Shanghai in particular is great, and Nanjing especially for food.

A lot of mainlander Chinese people I've spoken to are just so amazingly blunt and seem to always speak their minds and are so honest, it's great and refreshing. If you've made some Chinese friends you wouldn't be saying this.

vincentpricesboner
Sep 3, 2006

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Raenir Salazar posted:

I'd say that this is in fact, pretty lowkey racist; and moreso than lowkey ignorance like, "If you hate porn and women expressing themselves with their bodies then you should go learn Arabic".

I can't speak for Saudi Arabia or Angola, though we all know that SA's issues probably have more to do with being a theocratic dictatorship with medieval monarchistic trappings than because of "culture".

But Mainland China has great culture, great food, great cinema, and so on, I've never been but everyone I know who is from there, or regularly visits, provide more than enough evidence to me that visiting would be a great thing to do. I bet Shanghai in particular is great, and Nanjing especially for food.

A lot of mainlander Chinese people I've spoken to are just so amazingly blunt and seem to always speak their minds and are so honest, it's great and refreshing. If you've made some Chinese friends you wouldn't be saying this.

I'm glad you said something because I was super creeped out by this post.

Yeah I have no clue what that guy was saying about "mainland china" having a bad culture. They have had a run of lovely governments, but the people and the culture is loving fantastic. Sounds like that poster had some personal hangups about chinese people.

pokeyman
Nov 26, 2006

That elephant ate my entire platoon.

Albino Squirrel posted:


'Blindsided': UCP blasted for mass appointments to boards, commissions



I don't think you can call this 'corruption' as it's perfectly legal, but it's irritating and shady as hell.

I happen to be a (volunteer) member of one of the affected boards. Our board chair, who was excellent, was fired. I was kind of expecting everyone to go, but mostly they just didn't renew the mandates of anyone whose term is expiring - unfortunately, that included a couple of very competent subcommittee chairs. I don't expect to be renewed when my term expires next year. (Traditionally, board members for Alberta institutions are appointed for a three-year term with a pretty-much-automatic three-year renewal). At least our new chair seems vaguely apolitical and has some relevant experience.

I'll tell ya, though, there's nothing I love more than finding out that my volunteer commitments have been turned upside down via press release.

Legalized corruption is still corruption.

The part I can’t figure out is whether the UCP are keeping the changes the ANDP made to a bunch of public boards' and agencies' pay and perks, namely bringing the salaries much closer to earth and cutting dumb expensive perks. That makes these appointments less useful as welfare for party faithful. They also made the hiring process more open than "we appoint whoever we want", but the OP's link mentions that that process might not be a thing anymore either.

Must be frustrating making small but worthwhile changes like that. It’s unambiguously good policy, but you can’t really campaign on it because nobody cares, and the changes can be rolled back instantly because nobody cares.

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

zapplez posted:

I'm glad you said something because I was super creeped out by this post.

Yeah I have no clue what that guy was saying about "mainland china" having a bad culture. They have had a run of lovely governments, but the people and the culture is loving fantastic. Sounds like that poster had some personal hangups about chinese people.

Um, no. Mainland China, a place almost as large as Canada, containing 36 times as many people, has a lovely culture. People from there should be taken for all they're worth and broken. This isn't racist, because mainland China isn't a race. This is just telling it like it is, etc.

Cue several replies of "it's true though" and "yeah, he's right", followed by some of the more time worn justifications for why bigotry is a-ok because it's not actually X or Y. One person will pop in with a personal anecdote about how their spouse's BFF gets literally poo poo on by people from mainland China, and no one will stop them because they're afraid of being called racist.

And all of this is cool and good and perfectly acceptable because this is how we deal with racism, bigotry, and xenophobia in Canada.

We don't.

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

College Slice
You're being sarcastic right.

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

Raenir Salazar posted:

You're being sarcastic right.

God I loving hope so.

Did you read any of the thread leading up to this?

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

College Slice

infernal machines posted:

God I loving hope so.

Did you read any of the thread leading up to this?

I go in and out. I am mostly laser focused on USPol because the US is basically Azathoth the Blind Idiot God and we're just one of the dancing courtiers keeping it asleep; but when it twitches we die.

Not that Canadian politics doesn't matter; but I feel like in most years it gets easily eclipsed and as we head closer to election season I shift my gaze closer to our own elections and thus have only recently glanced at the thread to see what's up.

I don't *like* the Liberals, but I can at least tolerate them compared to the Cons and are at least good at pretending to care about environmental issues, and can generally expect them to be half-decent stewards of representing Canada abroad, regardless of my seething disgust at them ditching the Alternative Vote and thus letting the Cons have another chance at majority government.

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

Raenir Salazar posted:

good at pretending to care about environmental issues, and can generally expect them to be half-decent stewards of representing Canada abroad

I feel like these assumptions may need to be revisited. They may hold better positions than the conservatives on both fronts, but it's not by as much as you might assume.

Postess is mostly not joking when he says that Trudeau is the best conservative PM we've had in years.



e:VVVYeah, those two are definitely first to mind

infernal machines fucked around with this message at 03:25 on Aug 20, 2019

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011
when I think "good at pretending to care about environmental issues" I think about giving billions of dollars to a US oil company to nationalize a pipeline so that it can be rammed through despite environmental concerns

when I think "good at representing Canada abroad" I think about selling weapons to genocidal dictators and sabotaging climate change accords

Postess with the Mostest
Apr 4, 2007

Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

Raenir Salazar posted:

I go in and out. I am mostly laser focused on USPol because the US is basically Azathoth the Blind Idiot God and we're just one of the dancing courtiers keeping it asleep; but when it twitches we die.

Not that Canadian politics doesn't matter; but I feel like in most years it gets easily eclipsed and as we head closer to election season I shift my gaze closer to our own elections and thus have only recently glanced at the thread to see what's up.

I don't *like* the Liberals, but I can at least tolerate them compared to the Cons and are at least good at pretending to care about environmental issues, and can generally expect them to be half-decent stewards of representing Canada abroad, regardless of my seething disgust at them ditching the Alternative Vote and thus letting the Cons have another chance at majority government.

Under Stephen Harper, there were so many people unhappy with the government and their approach that people were saying, ‘It will take electoral reform to no longer have a government we don’t like’. But under the current system, they now have a government they’re more satisfied with and the motivation to change the electoral system is less compelling

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

College Slice

vyelkin posted:

when I think "good at pretending to care about environmental issues" I think about giving billions of dollars to a US oil company to nationalize a pipeline so that it can be rammed through despite environmental concerns

when I think "good at representing Canada abroad" I think about selling weapons to genocidal dictators and sabotaging climate change accords

Yeah but Conservatives were 100x worse than this, and if elected, would be 1000x worse.

Coxswain Balls
Jun 4, 2001

Rookie polling firm recants initial claim, now says PCs well ahead in Manitoba

lol whoops

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.
Don't get me wrong, I'm firmly in the "It is actually too late to make a better world" camp, but that's not generally a popular view around here.

incontinence 100
Dec 21, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
If you think this pipeline is ever going to get built and tar is ever going to get shipped through the Juan de Fuca I got news for you.

https://business.financialpost.com/commodities/energy/billionaire-koch-brothers-dump-canadas-oilsands-leases-as-foreign-exodus-continues

quote:

Once among the largest landholders in the oilsands, industrial conglomerate Koch Industries Inc. has sold off its upstream leases and abandoned licences in the heavy oil play, joining a stream of foreign companies exiting the bitumen-bearing formation.

quote:

Koch’s departure from the oilsands continues a trend of exits by foreign companies from the play, following multi-billion-dollar divestments by Shell Canada Ltd., ConocoPhillips Co., Devon Energy Corp., Marathon Oil Corp., Statoil SA, Total SA and others since 2017 to sell off producing and non-producing assets in the heavy oil formation, as a lack of new export pipelines made developing the area more difficult and lucrative plays like the Permian basin in Texas wooed investors away from Canada.

Vintersorg
Mar 3, 2004

President of
the Brendan Fraser
Fan Club




:lol: We're so hosed.

If they win I am just gonna swear off paying attention and loving off to focus on my own poo poo. I'll vote NDP and that will be it.

gently caress this poo poo.

InfiniteZero
Sep 11, 2004

PINK GUITAR FIRE ROBOT

College Slice

Vintersorg posted:

:lol: We're so hosed.

This thread spent the last few years telling me that I was wrong about the PCs having such strong support and that Winnipeg would make the difference but at least I've always found that idea hilariously wrong so I had some laughs along the way.

Never underestimate the Canadian capacity to be politically stupid.

InfiniteZero fucked around with this message at 04:13 on Aug 20, 2019

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011
Justin Trudeau:

quote:

Solar panels $200
Electric cars $150
Carbon tax rebates $800
Pipelines $3,600
Recycling $150
someone who is good at the economy please help me budget this. my environment is dying

Andrew Scheer:

quote:

climate change may kill a lot of people, but it also helps a lot of people get to work on time, so, it;s impossible to say if its bad or not,

Max Bernier:

quote:

so long suckers! i rev up my motorcylce and create a huge cloud of co2. when the cloud dissipates im lying completely dead on the pavement

Elizabeth May:

quote:

another day volunteering at the mangrove forest. everyone keeps asking me if they can gently caress the mangrove. buddy, they wont even let me gently caress it

Jagmeet Singh:

quote:

who the gently caress is scraeming "GREEN NEW DEAL" at my house. show yourself, coward. i will never green new deal

pokeyman
Nov 26, 2006

That elephant ate my entire platoon.
dril baby dril

(Seriously those are great!)

cowofwar
Jul 30, 2002

by Athanatos
Wont someone please think of the maligned 1.4 billion ethnic Han Chinese who continue to be persecuted by the Tibetans and Uyghur Muslims. Their dwindling population cannot survive the cultural and economic pushes of African nations in addition to the soft power reaches of the rest of the world through student/cultural/charity organizations. Their innovative culture continues to be sabotaged by US spying and IP theft and tourists from the UK keep pissing in their elevators, making GBS threads out in the open, and generally covering all their responsibly managed and occupied real estate in a veneer of spit.

There are a few friendly nations who respect their cultural right to smuggle money out of the country from falsified business loans, who provide support for their definitely producing 100% factories according to ethically impressive quarterly reports, and who support the hard working basement farmers’ fentanyl harvests.

The world truly has much to learn from the Chinese cultural tradition of focusing on ethics, charity, and social collaboration over profit-seeking or conspicuous consumption of material wealth. The Chinese are so generous that they are willing to donate their organs to the state to help Party members, provide free transportation in lethal injection vans, and voluntarily compensate the Party for expenses incurred when executing their family members.

It is absolutely imperative that behaviour and cultural norms be conflated with race and that ethnic Han Chinese receive the affirmative benefits of other persecuted visible minorities from other economically disadvantaged countries, so that China, the largest country and second largest economy in the world, can escape from the oppressive boots of Nigeria and Angola, and finally achieve freedom to operate without the yolk of regulations and laws abroad.

我有一個夢想

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

Postess with the Mostest
Apr 4, 2007

Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

Raenir Salazar posted:

Yeah but Conservatives were 100x worse than this, and if elected, would be 1000x worse.

Trudeau's reasoning for cancelling electoral reform was that you'd still vote for him even if he broke the promise because he'd prefer a con majority to anything left of him and he's right, you will. The guy's a fuckin' savage, I really don't understand why any conservative would prefer the milk dud scheer over the native punchin, ndp titty elbowing, pipe laying golden god we have now. He keeps the same carbon targets as Harper and gets credit for being better at pretending. Trudeau's an evil genius whose actions display more contempt for progressives than conservatives could ever muster, I can't wait to vote for him.

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

cowofwar posted:

Wont someone please think of the maligned 1.4 billion ethnic Han Chinese who continue to be persecuted by the Tibetans and Uyghur Muslims. Their dwindling population cannot survive the cultural and economic pushes of African nations in addition to the soft power reaches of the rest of the world through student/cultural/charity organizations. Their innovative culture continues to be sabotaged by US spying and IP theft and tourists from the UK keep pissing in their elevators, making GBS threads out in the open, and generally covering all their responsibly managed and occupied real estate in a veneer of spit.

There are a few friendly nations who respect their cultural right to smuggle money out of the country from falsified business loans, who provide support for their definitely producing 100% factories according to ethically impressive quarterly reports, and who support the hard working basement farmers’ fentanyl harvests.

The world truly has much to learn from the Chinese cultural tradition of focusing on ethics, charity, and social collaboration over profit-seeking or conspicuous consumption of material wealth. The Chinese are so generous that they are willing to donate their organs to the state to help Party members, provide free transportation in lethal injection vans, and voluntarily compensate the Party for expenses incurred when executing their family members.

It is absolutely imperative that behaviour and cultural norms be conflated with race and that ethnic Han Chinese receive the affirmative benefits of other persecuted visible minorities from other economically disadvantaged countries, so that China, the largest country and second largest economy in the world, can escape from the oppressive boots of Nigeria and Angola, and finally achieve freedom to operate without the yolk of regulations and laws abroad.

我有一個夢想

Just keep doubling down, it only makes you cooler

pokeyman
Nov 26, 2006

That elephant ate my entire platoon.
Can’t imagine how anyone "conflates"

cowofwar posted:

Chinese students and Saudi students are the absolute loving worst. They bring money but holy poo poo do they also bring a dumpster of rear end-backward poo poo that makes other Canadians suffer.

with racism! Would you prefer "bigotry"?

Booourns
Jan 20, 2004
Please send a report when you see me complain about other posters and threads outside of QCS

~thanks!

cowofwar posted:

Wont someone please think of the maligned 1.4 billion ethnic Han Chinese who continue to be persecuted by the Tibetans and Uyghur Muslims. Their dwindling population cannot survive the cultural and economic pushes of African nations in addition to the soft power reaches of the rest of the world through student/cultural/charity organizations. Their innovative culture continues to be sabotaged by US spying and IP theft and tourists from the UK keep pissing in their elevators, making GBS threads out in the open, and generally covering all their responsibly managed and occupied real estate in a veneer of spit.

There are a few friendly nations who respect their cultural right to smuggle money out of the country from falsified business loans, who provide support for their definitely producing 100% factories according to ethically impressive quarterly reports, and who support the hard working basement farmers’ fentanyl harvests.

The world truly has much to learn from the Chinese cultural tradition of focusing on ethics, charity, and social collaboration over profit-seeking or conspicuous consumption of material wealth. The Chinese are so generous that they are willing to donate their organs to the state to help Party members, provide free transportation in lethal injection vans, and voluntarily compensate the Party for expenses incurred when executing their family members.

It is absolutely imperative that behaviour and cultural norms be conflated with race and that ethnic Han Chinese receive the affirmative benefits of other persecuted visible minorities from other economically disadvantaged countries, so that China, the largest country and second largest economy in the world, can escape from the oppressive boots of Nigeria and Angola, and finally achieve freedom to operate without the yolk of regulations and laws abroad.

我有一個夢想

lol you didn't even get a probation for that post why are you melting down

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RealityWarCriminal
Aug 10, 2016

:o:

Postess with the Mostest posted:

Under Stephen Harper, there were so many people unhappy with the government and their approach that people were saying, ‘It will take electoral reform to no longer have a government we don’t like’. But under the current system, they now have a government they’re more satisfied with and the motivation to change the electoral system is less compelling

:barf:

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