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Aug 20, 2019 16:07
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sincx has issued a correction as of 05:28 on Mar 23, 2021 |
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Aug 20, 2019 16:15
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Liberal leftists tend to agree with fascists and libertarians. AGC
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Aug 20, 2019 16:28
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this is more damning than anything, tbh
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Aug 20, 2019 16:31
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And you said its not about clash of the civilizations.
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Aug 20, 2019 16:34
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pretty big caveat is that the two on the right think that the hong kong protests are good but only because they aren't happening in the usa, in which case they would definitely be terrorism
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Aug 20, 2019 16:46
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what if xi gave the uighurs their freedom if they agree to help invade HK
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Aug 20, 2019 16:49
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turn off the TV posted:pretty big caveat is that the two on the right think that the hong kong protests are good but only because they aren't happening in the usa, in which case they would definitely be terrorism And also because the protest embodies respect for western values rather than oriental commie values or something new and alien, so it validates their worldviews.
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Aug 20, 2019 17:52
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the judeo-bolshevik mods are oppressing me
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Aug 20, 2019 18:32
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love to agree with the far right & pedophiles
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Aug 20, 2019 18:33
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sincx has issued a correction as of 05:28 on Mar 23, 2021 |
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Aug 20, 2019 19:14
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yeah i don't have a strong opinion on the merits of the hong kong protests, but acab
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Aug 20, 2019 19:21
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Frijolero posted:The Rarest Pepe: Freedom Fighter Pepe I will not rest until everyone can pee as they please in peace
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Aug 20, 2019 19:26
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sincx posted:Seriously, there should be a rule that supporting cops in C-SPAM is at a minimum a 6-hour probe. speaking in general terms (and not about HK's police because idk), the issue with ACAB as a universal principle is that, like a lot of liberal idealism, it fixates on form and ignores class content. example: a police officer in Cuba shouldn't be evaluated in the exact same terms as one in the USA, as they're upholding different class dictatorships pretty cool that the cops in that story got arrested, though, instead of being given paid administrative leave
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Aug 20, 2019 19:38
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the prc is a cia psyop designed to make leftists respect cops
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Aug 20, 2019 19:39
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Aeolius posted:speaking in general terms (and not about HK's police because idk), the issue with ACAB as a universal principle is that, like a lot of liberal idealism, it fixates on form and ignores class content. example: a police officer in Cuba shouldn't be evaluated in the exact same terms as one in the USA, as they're upholding different class dictatorships
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Aug 20, 2019 19:41
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nacab
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Aug 20, 2019 19:42
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Aeolius posted:speaking in general terms (and not about HK's police because idk), the issue with ACAB as a universal principle is that, like a lot of liberal idealism, it fixates on form and ignores class content. example: a police officer in Cuba shouldn't be evaluated in the exact same terms as one in the USA, as they're upholding different class dictatorships stfu cop lover
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Aug 20, 2019 19:43
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Dreddout posted:love to agree with the far right & pedophiles
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Aug 20, 2019 19:44
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Aeolius posted:speaking in general terms (and not about HK's police because idk), the issue with ACAB as a universal principle is that, like a lot of liberal idealism, it fixates on form and ignores class content. example: a police officer in Cuba shouldn't be evaluated in the exact same terms as one in the USA, as they're upholding different class dictatorships nah
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Aug 20, 2019 19:48
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I wish NYPD get arrested on the next day instead of being put on desk duty for 4 years before getting fired.
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Aug 20, 2019 19:51
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agreed, those cops should have been put on desk duty, also Cuban cops are agents of capital
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Aug 20, 2019 19:52
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i say swears online posted:agreed, those cops should have been put on desk duty, also Cuban cops are agents of capital No, but ACAB is the universal truth and it’s not just because they’re agents of capital. that’s the structural reason why cops are bad, but it’s not the only reason. Cuban cops may on average be less bad, but they’re still cops.
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Aug 20, 2019 19:55
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Aeolius posted:speaking in general terms (and not about HK's police because idk), the issue with ACAB as a universal principle is that, like a lot of liberal idealism, it fixates on form and ignores class content. example: a police officer in Cuba shouldn't be evaluated in the exact same terms as one in the USA, as they're upholding different class dictatorships Let's assume for the sake of the argument that they're upholding different class dictatorships. That presumably means the proletariat is in charge and the bourgeoisie have been driven off the island or otherwise been pushed into a weak and marginal position within the economy. According to the class dictatorship model, the substantial reason for the existence of cops is to have the potential to violently respond to internal threats to the ruling class from antagonistic classes, while the military is there to defend it from external threats. Alright, now let me ask: why the gently caress do cops exist there anymore or at least haven't been downsized proportionately to the presumed internal threat? The answer is that either class struggle continues inside the communist party and both sides preserve the cops as a weapon against the other, or the bourgeois faction has already won and preserves cops as a weapon against workers.
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Aug 20, 2019 19:59
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Lightning Knight posted:No, but ACAB is the universal truth and it’s not just because they’re agents of capital. that’s the structural reason why cops are bad, but it’s not the only reason. what structure, if not capital
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Aug 20, 2019 20:02
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sincx has issued a correction as of 05:28 on Mar 23, 2021 |
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Aug 20, 2019 20:04
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But there is a difference in power at work here as well. Cuban police are severely underfunded and under-equipped whereas Hong Kong police are all given special boots that let them run on walls, perform a high-kick in the air and land perfectly on the perpetrator's chest, they're trained specifically to grin to the camera after doling out justice.
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Aug 20, 2019 20:05
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Aeolius posted:speaking in general terms (and not about HK's police because idk), the issue with ACAB as a universal principle is that, like a lot of liberal idealism, it fixates on form and ignores class content. example: a police officer in Cuba shouldn't be evaluated in the exact same terms as one in the USA, as they're upholding different class dictatorships i mean hong kong isn't cuba, hong kong cops are more comparable to western cops I would say
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Aug 20, 2019 20:06
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Frijolero posted:But there is a difference in power at work here as well. Cuban police are severely underfunded and under-equipped whereas Hong Kong police are all given special boots that let them run on walls, perform a high-kick in the air and land perfectly on the perpetrator's chest, they're trained specifically to grin to the camera after doling out justice. is that in the cop or the triad skill tree
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Aug 20, 2019 20:07
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sincx has issued a correction as of 05:28 on Mar 23, 2021 |
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Aug 20, 2019 20:09
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turn off the TV posted:the prc is a cia psyop designed to make leftists respect cops it’s working
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Aug 20, 2019 20:10
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i say swears online posted:what structure, if not capital I am not sure I understand the question.
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Aug 20, 2019 20:12
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Lightning Knight posted:Cuban cops may on average be less bad, but they’re still cops. i'm with you as far as it goes to say "we should be trying to build a society that has no need for a dedicated security force, and all the power imbalances and accountability issues that can accompany such" the problem is, i don't think we're going to have a world that can support such a thing until capitalism (and by extension imperialism) is fully defeated. otherwise, even the best-ordered society you can dream of will still have to contend with all the usual threats, destabilization tactics, perverse incentives, and so on. at the very least, the class distinction must still be drawn so long as class struggle remains the motor of history uncop posted:Alright, now let me ask: why the gently caress do cops exist there anymore or at least haven't been downsized proportionately to the presumed internal threat? possibly one of the reasons you gave. possibly the existence of the thing i mention above, assuming the international context is still imperialism. possibly to respond to other difficulties that arise in the context of shedding the cultural trappings of bourgeois society (itself in a form that will no doubt be in flux in line with the conditions in question). or possibly even nothing more than the existence of path dependence in human affairs; change, even revolutionary change, doesn't occur overnight. it's a deceptively complex question (e: to say nothing of the difficulties of defining exactly how "weak" or "marginal" we mean exactly, when we're still discussing an intrinsically pathological set of social relations) Aeolius has issued a correction as of 20:26 on Aug 20, 2019 |
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Aug 20, 2019 20:14
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people love to shitpost about guillotines and Stalin and the nkvd or whatever but as soon as the rubber hits the road oh it’s state capitalism and authoritarianism, boo hoo
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Aug 20, 2019 20:40
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Aeolius posted:i'm with you as far as it goes to say "we should be trying to build a society that has no need for a dedicated security force, and all the power imbalances and accountability issues that can accompany such" I am willing to concede that cops may be a situational necessary evil for communists, but that doesn’t make cops not an evil.
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Aug 20, 2019 21:03
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Aeolius posted:speaking in general terms (and not about HK's police because idk), the issue with ACAB as a universal principle is that, like a lot of liberal idealism, it fixates on form and ignores class content. example: a police officer in Cuba shouldn't be evaluated in the exact same terms as one in the USA, as they're upholding different class dictatorships this isnt cuba its china and HK, capitalist states
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Aug 20, 2019 21:09
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Lightning Knight posted:No, but ACAB is the universal truth and it’s not just because they’re agents of capital. that’s the structural reason why cops are bad, but it’s not the only reason. cops in capitalism are bastards because they first and foremost exist to protect the capitalist state and property rights. cops in a socialist society are fine unless youre a dummy anarchist
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Aug 20, 2019 21:13
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:cops in capitalism are bastards because they first and foremost exist to protect the capitalist state and property rights. a take genetically engineered to make guyovich mad
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Aug 20, 2019 21:14
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Lightning Knight posted:a take genetically engineered to make guyovich mad i thought he's expressed the same sentiment word-for-word
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Aug 20, 2019 21:15
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This derailment of Cuba came out of nowhere. Do people really believe Cuba is a functioning socialism country? I mean you probably can get it to work if you keep shutting the door in a smallish society. But as soon as you trade with the rest of the world your socialist order will break down.
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Aug 20, 2019 21:21
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