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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:I won’t be buying one with a sunroof. I’ve seen photos of them leaking without a sunroof.
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Aug 20, 2019 14:01
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Lightbulb Out posted:I’ve seen photos of them leaking without a sunroof. Lol what in the hell. poo poo like this and now the GTI manual buybacks is why I think I'm gonna stay clear of VW. I see a new Honda in my future 
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Aug 20, 2019 15:04
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After this DPS6 Getrag powershit transmission in my Focus, I'm pretty down on automatics and robo-shifting in general. How bad is Honda's CVT in the Civic, really? There are approximately zero 6MTs on the dealer lots around here, and I'm losing hope. My previous cars were all manuals and I really want to go back to rowing but the pickin's are slim. Does Subaru's still feel like stirring a box of rocks like my '03 WRX did? The one in my Mini Cooper S was nice but LOL not buying another one of those. I even had a manual Maxima which was pretty decent, but that was 20 years ago now.
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Aug 20, 2019 15:59
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Lightbulb Out posted:I’ve seen photos of them leaking without a sunroof. there are problems with the drains getting clogged but i am really not worried about it, i have to clean the drains on my M5 already and as far as I can tell most reported problems are from sunroof equipped vehicles and the sunroof being improperly glued in and thus draining incorrectly
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Aug 20, 2019 16:02
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Dielectric posted:After this DPS6 Getrag powershit transmission in my Focus, I'm pretty down on automatics and robo-shifting in general. How bad is Honda's CVT in the Civic, really? There are approximately zero 6MTs on the dealer lots around here, and I'm losing hope. You can still get 6MT Accords/Civics yeah? Current Civic Si owns. Also maybe look at the Mazda 3? Depends what you want. Current Corolla hatch with an MT is also weirdly good apparently.
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Aug 20, 2019 16:17
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Dielectric posted:After this DPS6 Getrag powershit transmission in my Focus, I'm pretty down on automatics and robo-shifting in general. How bad is Honda's CVT in the Civic, really? There are approximately zero 6MTs on the dealer lots around here, and I'm losing hope. kind of silly to write off automatic gearboxes after you deliberately bought a known terrible one
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Aug 20, 2019 16:24
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:kind of silly to write off automatic gearboxes after you deliberately bought a known terrible one Yeah, I didn't know it was terrible at the time. Ford sure did though. It was actually pretty cool until it poo poo the bed a few times. The SMGs in the higher-end cars don't seem entirely perfect either. The auto in our Forester is OK, I just get bored with it and want something to do.
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Aug 20, 2019 16:34
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Monkey Fracas posted:You can still get 6MT Accords/Civics yeah? Current Civic Si owns. Also maybe look at the Mazda 3? Depends what you want. It's an option that no dealers here stock, apparently. I'm thinking Civic hatch, but if the Corolla can get out of it's own way it might be fine. I do dig the Mazda 3, but the hatch looks sort of useless. I cram a lot of stuff into my Focus hatch-hole, so i parked next to a Civic hatch yesterday and they looked approximately equal.
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Aug 20, 2019 16:40
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Dielectric posted:It's an option that no dealers here stock, apparently. I'm thinking Civic hatch, but if the Corolla can get out of it's own way it might be fine. I do dig the Mazda 3, but the hatch looks sort of useless. I cram a lot of stuff into my Focus hatch-hole, so i parked next to a Civic hatch yesterday and they looked approximately equal. The corolla needs a sport model that’s actually sporty. If they could just turbocharge that 2.0 the car would make an excellent GTI killer. But for whatever reason Toyota absolutely hates power across their entire lineup and just can’t keep up with its competition. A shame really... a dual injected turbo 4 from Toyota is like the holy grail of engines.
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Aug 20, 2019 16:49
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I agree. Give me a ~200hp turbo motor w/ LSD hatch Toyota
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Aug 20, 2019 17:10
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Yeah i test drove the Corolla MT and it's painfully slow, like no powerband whatsoever. The (non turbo) Civic I test drove felt like a rocketship in comparison and is just a way better car overall for the same price. The K series motors still have it, not as good mpg as the Corolla but I'll take the trade off all day long Also the cargo area in the corolla hatch is a joke.
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Aug 20, 2019 17:10
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Kraftwerk posted:The corolla needs a sport model that’s actually sporty. If they could just turbocharge that 2.0 the car would make an excellent GTI killer. But for whatever reason Toyota absolutely hates power across their entire lineup and just can’t keep up with its competition. A shame really... a dual injected turbo 4 from Toyota is like the holy grail of engines. I agree with you, but I will say I was surprised when the Camry V6 came out with 300+ HP and runs a sub 6 second 0-60. I haven't driven the latest version of the Camry, but on paper they seem decent for the mid size sedan market.
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Aug 20, 2019 17:23
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Someone buy a rear-ended one and swap the V6 into a GT86 and make it a good car plz.
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Aug 20, 2019 17:30
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It might cannibalize non-existent Lexus sales
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Aug 20, 2019 17:34
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skipdogg posted:I agree with you, but I will say I was surprised when the Camry V6 came out with 300+ HP and runs a sub 6 second 0-60. I haven't driven the latest version of the Camry, but on paper they seem decent for the mid size sedan market. Legitimately good car there. A co-worker has one and it goes like hell, and will continue to go like hell for 250k miles probably.
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Aug 20, 2019 17:48
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skipdogg posted:I agree with you, but I will say I was surprised when the Camry V6 came out with 300+ HP and runs a sub 6 second 0-60. I haven't driven the latest version of the Camry, but on paper they seem decent for the mid size sedan market. Okay now we're talking about a totally different story. The new TNGA platform Camry XSE V6 is probably the best Toyota you can get if you can afford it. The only thing missing are cooled seats. At that level the car is basically a luxury car and leaves you wanting for nothing. There are absolutely ZERO examples on Canadian lots for 2019 and 2020 models. The reason being they don't sell apparently. Everyone wants to drive the 2.0 or the Hybrid models so you have to special order one. A friend of mine bought one of the last 2018s and I can safely say that it's the first time I felt like a Camry was desirable. Of course for similar money you can get a GTI which probably goes about as fast and handles a bit better. (Tighter suspension, less body roll etc). Again Toyota has the means and technology to make very good cars but for whatever reason they just stopped competing with the Germans since the last generation of Lexus IS came out. When the IS350 came out for the first time it was a credible BMW/Audi competitor. Its low to the ground and really nice with the handling. Now... Now it's woefully outdated and no replacement seems to be coming. As much as I want to like Lexus they really suck when it comes to cabin ergonomics, design and performance. The only reason you'd want to get one now is if you want a semi-luxury vehicle with maximum reliability and a little more upscale dealer experience compared to your friendly neighborhood volume Toyota dealer. Just stick with the Camry XSE in this case... Maybe our cohort of Automotive Insanity posters fits the elder milennial/genX bracket of the population and we're slowly aging ourselves into a situation where Camrys are desirable.
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Aug 20, 2019 17:52
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Kraftwerk posted:Okay now we're talking about a totally different story. My local recent shopping experience: Apples to apples Accords are a good bit cheaper than identically spec'ed Camrys, on the order of ~$5k here! Sure it means a 2.0T 4cyl rather than a 3.5L V6, but that price difference is pretty huge. Comparison holds across other trims too. Hybrid Accords both sticker $4k lower than Hybrid Camrys and have more dealer discount / incentive.
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Aug 20, 2019 18:02
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Twerk from Home posted:My local recent shopping experience: Yeah allegedly the Accords handle better, are faster and are better equipped for the same money too. I just don't like them compared to the Camry.
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Aug 20, 2019 18:22
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So anyway, about those CVTs. Should I keep banging my head on the wall looking for a 6MT, or dehumanize myself and face to bloodshed?
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Aug 20, 2019 18:33
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Kraftwerk posted:Now... Now it's woefully outdated and no replacement seems to be coming. As much as I want to like Lexus they really suck when it comes to cabin ergonomics, design and performance. The only reason you'd want to get one now is if you want a semi-luxury vehicle with maximum reliability and a little more upscale dealer experience compared to your friendly neighborhood volume Toyota dealer. Just stick with the Camry XSE in this case... Maybe our cohort of Automotive Insanity posters fits the elder milennial/genX bracket of the population and we're slowly aging ourselves into a situation where Camrys are desirable. I don't know about that, we were able to get 2011 LS460 with 20k miles for 25 grand, and it's ten times better than a new Camry and still had the new car smell when we got it. It's the best car we've ever owned by far and is a dream to drive around town or on the interstate. Ergonomics are perfect, ventilated seats are awesome as well as the soft close doors and power trunk lid among other things. The LS an GS are great used bargains because they depreciate like a rock and are usually very well taken care of. Only gripe about it i'd say is boring styling but it's not bad, and in town mpg isn't great but if you want a V8 that's the trade off. I imagine the new V6 Camry is a little better in that regard but not by much probably. [e] also the dealership experience is awesome Applebees Appetizer fucked around with this message at 18:52 on Aug 20, 2019 |
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Aug 20, 2019 18:43
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Dielectric posted:So anyway, about those CVTs. Should I keep banging my head on the wall looking for a 6MT, or dehumanize myself and face to bloodshed? If you want a manual, get a manual. If you can settle for an auto, well, the choice becomes a little easier.
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Aug 20, 2019 19:15
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Kraftwerk posted:Okay now we're talking about a totally different story. the camry hybrid is a vastly better car than the V6
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Aug 20, 2019 20:16
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Why? Is it the 50+ MPG or what? Isn’t the V6 supposed to be quite fast?
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Aug 20, 2019 20:39
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Kraftwerk posted:Okay now we're talking about a totally different story. The Avalon is a lot better than the Camry V6 XSE imo. The current Honda Accord is a better car than the Camry in every way and you can get one with a manual gearbox.
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Aug 20, 2019 21:11
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drgitlin posted:The Avalon is a lot better than the Camry V6 XSE imo. The current Honda Accord is a better car than the Camry in every way and you can get one with a manual gearbox. I like the external design and reliability of the Camry XSE vs the Accord 2.0. But I do agree the latter is a better car performance wise. And the interior is nicer. The Avalon is way too big and still feels like an “old man car” Kraftwerk fucked around with this message at 21:24 on Aug 20, 2019 |
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Aug 20, 2019 21:15
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I’ve only driven a cheaper 1.5L Accord with cloth seats and a manual gearbox but I liked it a lot more than a fully loaded XSE with a brothel-red leather interior. Rode better, more engaging to drive, way better infotainment.
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Aug 20, 2019 21:27
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drgitlin posted:fully loaded XSE with a brothel-red leather interior. . It's called Bunny Ranch Red
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Aug 20, 2019 21:41
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https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a28747885/2020-audi-rs6-avant-photos-info/quote:The Audi RS6 Avant is coming to the U.S. market, the first Audi Sport wagon to do so. time to put your mouth where your money is
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Aug 21, 2019 00:03
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Kraftwerk posted:Why? Is it the 50+ MPG or what? Isn’t the V6 supposed to be quite fast? lol gently caress sake
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Aug 21, 2019 00:04
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Powershift posted:https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a28747885/2020-audi-rs6-avant-photos-info/ That's going to be a whole lot of money 
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Aug 21, 2019 00:16
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Powershift posted:https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a28747885/2020-audi-rs6-avant-photos-info/ People have been screaming for this car online for years. I bet they struggle to sell 100 of them *people being broke rear end internet car enthusiasts who only want them 5 years old for 40% of msrp
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Aug 21, 2019 00:38
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Powershift posted:https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a28747885/2020-audi-rs6-avant-photos-info/ I showed this to my wife, saying this was our next family car. She responded with "why? So we can get to swim practice or the dog park 0.7 seconds faster?" She's kind of a dick.
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Aug 21, 2019 00:38
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Guinness posted:That's going to be a whole lot of money I mean, if you use RS7s as a depreciation indicator... These will not be bad if you're ok buying the ones coming off lease.
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Aug 21, 2019 00:41
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skipdogg posted:People have been screaming for this car online for years. I bet they struggle to sell 100 of them
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Aug 21, 2019 00:49
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TheFonz posted:I mean, if you use RS7s as a depreciation indicator... Can't get off lease ones if no one buys/leases them new
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Aug 21, 2019 00:54
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HEY GUYS, SAM CRACC HERE...
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Aug 21, 2019 00:56
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what is persuading me to buy that over the E63?
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Aug 21, 2019 01:10
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skipdogg posted:People have been screaming for this car online for years. I bet they struggle to sell 100 of them I still find it hard to believe that companies struggle to sell cars that a super generous 5% of the households in the country could maybe realistically afford.
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Aug 21, 2019 01:11
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Kraftwerk posted:But for whatever reason Toyota absolutely hates power across their entire lineup and just can’t keep up with its competition. Yet weirdly, someone at Toyota still has a sense of humour, as they built the Blade Master G, which is a Corolla hatch with a Camry V6.  
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skipdogg posted:People have been screaming for this car online for years. I bet they struggle to sell 100 of them 100 sounds like decent numbers. For contrast, MB sells ~40000 total E-classes per year. Figure maaaybe 10% take rate on the wagon, and then maybe 10% of those are AMGs? 400 cars. I'm pretty sure someone at the group or the brand wants one as the company car.
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