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Corky Romanovsky posted:'cause they read the op
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Aug 20, 2019 10:29
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Wasnt there a Puerto Rico thread somewhere? I remember a couple of good articles about it but I cant find them
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StashAugustine posted:Wasnt there a Puerto Rico thread somewhere? I remember a couple of good articles about it but I cant find them the cia disappeared it 
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Aug 20, 2019 22:16
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Nice
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Aug 20, 2019 23:42
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Aug 21, 2019 17:54
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*watching last of the Amazon burn The Obama administration's intentions were good.
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Aug 21, 2019 22:17
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Corky Romanovsky posted:*watching last of the Amazon burn Heard this in Ken Burns narrator voice.
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Aug 21, 2019 22:22
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Funny how neolibs are self-aware enough to recognize that their own unpopularity necessitates jailing socialists in order to hold voters hostage in a choice between them and fascists, but not self-aware enough to recognize that their unpopularity is why they will lose to fascists anyway.
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Aug 21, 2019 23:24
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Hitler: I want to ban left-wing parties but I need to change the constitution Centrists: banning the socialists and communists would leave us all their votes by default! Very well, but we're not stupid we want a written promise that you won't ban us too Hitler: okay can I give it to you after you vote to give me unlimited power and I don't need you anymore? Centrists: hmmmm...something isn't right here...why? Hitler: I want to make sure the typesetting is all perfect for you Centrists: aw how sweet!
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Aug 21, 2019 23:29
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lemme tell you how not voting or voting third party makes YOU the monster
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Aug 21, 2019 23:29
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MonsieurChoc posted:Heard this in Ken Burns narrator voice. It was an inferno that was started with the best of intentions.
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Aug 21, 2019 23:32
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The best thing about it is that Lula’s presidency could be considered a socdem administration at best (more of a neoliberal with progressive tendencies, really), and they couldn’t even have that. Now we’re covering the world in ash and everyone hates us lol
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Aug 21, 2019 23:33
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I know this isn’t technically the South America general thread but does anyone know of a good English source that’s covered AMLO? Everything a cursory google pulls up is just so absurdly hostile towards him it’s painful
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Aug 21, 2019 23:35
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The Unnamed One posted:The best thing about it is that Lula’s presidency could be considered a socdem administration at best (more of a neoliberal with progressive tendencies, really), and they couldn’t even have that. if there's one thing we've learned, it's that any kind of compromise is to be considered a completely unacceptable threat
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Aug 22, 2019 00:35
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If I had to guess, the idea to oust PT through lawfare really got going during the Honduras coup. As the US really pushed for the coup. Brazil supported Zelaya, and at one point the Brazilian embassy was sieged for over two months for hosting Zelaya there.
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Scrub-Niggurath posted:I know this isn’t technically the South America general thread but does anyone know of a good English source that’s covered AMLO? Everything a cursory google pulls up is just so absurdly hostile towards him it’s painful Mexican media is super dense and I haven't run into an American journo who adequately covers AMLO. However, John Ackerman is a lefty American professor who teaches in Mexico who has done blogs and interviews about AMLO. The short of it: AMLO's politics are uniquely Mexican, in the leftist mold of Lazaro Cardenas, but cannot be strictly defined as a socialist. On his worst days, he's a neoliberal who glad-hands the business class, but on his best days he's a radical populist. Nine months into his presidency, he's: - Cut ridiculously high gov. salaries - Doubled social security benefits - Created a stipend for NEETs - Increased the minimum wage - Declared the death of neoliberalism in Mexico and pissed off the entire right-wing At the same time he loves courting the business class, boasting about the economy, and inviting foreign MNCs to Mexico. You could say he's playing the game, but it doesn't look good when he's promising a total political revolution.
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Aug 22, 2019 02:55
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Aug 22, 2019 10:27
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id love to learn about how the lancet is not a legit journal, or the authors methodology is flawed but somehow got past peer review, meanwhile heres what some idiot fucker in the nyt had to say which was NOT ghostwritten by state department sources
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Aug 22, 2019 11:02
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This is Maduris voter suppression and fraud at work! He's killing these patients and luring their relatives to his side by convincing them the US is responsible for the US sanctions that are killing them.
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Aug 22, 2019 12:05
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hi sabine https://twitter.com/MadelineSnedek1/status/1163455620638478342  lol they're not even trying
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Aug 22, 2019 12:20
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sanctions cause material deficits??????????????????????????????????
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Aug 22, 2019 12:21
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Aug 22, 2019 13:05
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he's cuban-american so not a big surprise
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Aug 22, 2019 13:23
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mortons stork posted:id love to learn about how the lancet is not a legit journal, or the authors methodology is flawed but somehow got past peer review, meanwhile heres what some idiot fucker in the nyt had to say which was NOT ghostwritten by state department sources It's from the correspondence section which means it's a letter to the editor rather than a peer-reviewed article, so I'm sure that's how people will delegitimize it despite it citing sources and everything. Choice quote: quote:Pointing to the economic failures of Venezuela as justification for further economic sanctions, causing further economic failures, is a cyclical, fallacious argument and not a legitimate public health approach.
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Aug 22, 2019 13:38
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Frijolero posted:Mexican media is super dense and I haven't run into an American journo who adequately covers AMLO. However, John Ackerman is a lefty American professor who teaches in Mexico who has done blogs and interviews about AMLO. This seems pretty average for left-wing politicians in the west and while not ideal doesn’t seem too bad to me either compared to who he replaced.
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Aug 22, 2019 14:12
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World War Mammories posted:sanctions cause material deficits?????????????????????????????????? oh no no no, sanctions are wrong BUT the ones imposed on Venezuela aren't really doing anything so we can safely leave them out the discussion. read the op.
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Aug 22, 2019 16:34
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Lightning Knight posted:This seems pretty average for left-wing politicians in the west and while not ideal doesn’t seem too bad to me either compared to who he replaced. if the chuds and neolibs both hate him he's gotta be good on the whole
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Epic High Five posted:if the chuds and neolibs both hate him he's gotta be good on the whole honestly I felt a lot of hype when he got elected and was excited about leftist Mexican grandpa president, but I haven’t followed him closely since. I should ask my grandma if she has Opinions about him.
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Aug 22, 2019 17:20
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no sanctions! no sanctions!! you're the sanctions!!
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Aug 22, 2019 17:53
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Love when sanction convos inevitably wind up in "the deaths caused are worth it" territory.
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Aug 22, 2019 17:54
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Lightning Knight posted:This seems pretty average for left-wing politicians in the west and while not ideal doesn’t seem too bad to me either compared to who he replaced. It's easy to get jaded about these sorts of things, but AMLO's victory was genuinely a massive victory of the working-class and a shock to the political establishment. He's already goated compared to the neoliberal ghouls of the past 40+ years.
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Condiv posted:no sanctions! no sanctions!! no, sanctions!
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why wont you admit maduro is bad
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Aug 22, 2019 19:16
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Salean posted:why wont you admit maduro is bad because he's actually good
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Salean posted:why wont you admit maduro is bad wont you admit he's at least 1 Bad Unit of bad? yes? well guess what bucko, he's actually 501 Bad Units of bad, one more than genocide (500 Units!). therefore, everything is justified. you just admitted it.
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Oh Snapple! posted:Love when sanction convos inevitably wind up in "the deaths caused are worth it" territory. "the deaths caused are worth it" was also one of Volkerball's favorite canards. Especially when it came to Syria. This also ties in to interventionists' favorite bit of weaponised twisted logic, where they blame non-interventionists for having blood on their own hands for not doing anything. But not intervening means you aren't engaged actively in a national crisis. It's the complete opposite of getting blood on your hands. You only take on responsibility for the crisis when you actively choose to make things worse, and pretending that doing something vs. not doing an intervention are morally equivalent is just a desperate self-rationalization where they get to claim greater moral authority because they're now the ones who are willing to make the hard choices to do the right thing.
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tbh I'm not non-interventionist it's just that whenever america does an intervention it turns out terrible (because they don't do it out of the goodness of their hearts, of course)
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There's no such thing as a bombing or an embargo done out of the goodness of the heart.
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but did you consider that maduro..... is bad.....
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