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THE AWESOME GHOST
Oct 21, 2005

Eimi posted:

The mobile casters aren't straight upgrades either. Sure they do have a faire and canto, but they don't get 2x uses, and in the case of holy knight, don't get +10 healing either.

Yeah personally I am keeping Manuela a Bishop because 2 warps a map is good enough to use up an entire slot.

Actually I should give her Stride and make her the token Unit That Gets Left Behind

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RazzleDazzleHour
Mar 31, 2016

I never graduated Mercedes on from Bishop because 10 Physic and 4 Fortify with +10 health per use is wild as hell

BlazetheInferno
Jun 6, 2015
...Still kinda salty over just how unforgiving the "Villagers drop dead" radius around the boss is in Calamity at Remire.


IIRC, I warped Byleth to the white X, or somewhere close to it. The villagers all dropped dead at the end of that turn.

RazzleDazzleHour
Mar 31, 2016

I guess it's possible to get mega RNG hosed on that map or something but I havent had a problem saving them either time. One flier and one archer is enough to handle the right side which is the farthest away

ROFL Octopus
Jun 20, 2014

LET ME EXPLAIN

RazzleDazzleHour posted:

I never graduated Mercedes on from Bishop because 10 Physic and 4 Fortify with +10 health per use is wild as hell

Endgame for me she has like 20 range with Physic and 10 with Fortify so the lack of move doesn’t even matter.

Leal posted:

Hubert is the best worst boy

I like his introduction, where Edelgard says he can come off as cold and rude... because he is.

Hyper Crab Tank
Feb 10, 2014

The 16-bit retro-future of crustacean-based transportation

ROFL Octopus posted:

I like his introduction, where Edelgard says he can come off as cold and rude... because he is.

I have no idea what you mean, he's always nice and charming and smiling warmly while he tells you all the potential reasons why he might shank you in your sleep tonight. :colbert:

Zoran
Aug 19, 2008

I lost to you once, monster. I shall not lose again! Die now, that our future can live!

BlazetheInferno posted:

...Still kinda salty over just how unforgiving the "Villagers drop dead" radius around the boss is in Calamity at Remire.


IIRC, I warped Byleth to the white X, or somewhere close to it. The villagers all dropped dead at the end of that turn.

I think you avoid this trigger if you save even a single villager first. Kill the enemy to the right across the wall, and that should rescue the villager in that corner.

ThisIsACoolGuy
Nov 2, 2010

Shaped like a friend

How many supports do I have to do before Lorenz becomes someone I don't want to hit with a frying pan.

This is my third route and he is such a crappy person. I do not like this weird waluigi man.

Taear
Nov 26, 2004

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Yea I've done that map 4 times and not had any issues, I didn't know there was a trigger!

Has anyone used the Hero class? Another male only one and one that just doesn't feel like it fits any character really, unless maybe you take Byleth down axe/sword? It's the only one I've not made any characters into.

ThisIsACoolGuy posted:

How many supports do I have to do before Lorenz becomes someone I don't want to hit with a frying pan.

This is my third route and he is such a crappy person. I do not like this weird waluigi man.

Infinity routes (he is always bad)

tuo
Jun 17, 2016

Finished my first playthrough (and actually my first Fire Emblem game ever), doing the Black Eagles path loyal to Edelgard and OF COURSE the only character that dies during that whole playthrough in the final battle is my dear Dorothea. Doesn't feel like a win :/

But I'm too interested in the other routes to do the final battle again (which I didn't really enjoy anyway).

As someone who never played Fire Emblem before, and is pretty impressed by this game: which other Fire Emblems should I play next? Are they in some way connected, or is it Final Fantasy/Zelda-like, i.e. similar mechanics and maybe a shared universe, but each game is it's own "world"?

Arkeus
Jul 21, 2013

THE AWESOME GHOST posted:

Yeah personally I am keeping Manuela a Bishop because 2 warps a map is good enough to use up an entire slot.

Actually I should give her Stride and make her the token Unit That Gets Left Behind

Put Stride on a horse unit. They can move again after using it, and that basically changes everything.

Taear
Nov 26, 2004

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tuo posted:

Finished my first playthrough (and actually my first Fire Emblem game ever), doing the Black Eagles path loyal to Edelgard and OF COURSE the only character that dies during that whole playthrough in the final battle is my dear Dorothea. Doesn't feel like a win :/

But I'm too interested in the other routes to do the final battle again (which I didn't really enjoy anyway).

As someone who never played Fire Emblem before, and is pretty impressed by this game: which other Fire Emblems should I play next? Are they in some way connected, or is it Final Fantasy/Zelda-like, i.e. similar mechanics and maybe a shared universe, but each game is it's own "world"?

Yea they're not connected. Personally I wouldn't recommend playing the others - at least for me they're not similar enough (and are too hard). Plus they're all handheld.

Also BL Edelgard last battle I feel is the worst in the game, if only for the squares that are hard to walk on.

Man I bet the amount of Western players who 'accidentally' did BL Edelgard first is really high compared to the amount of people who did it in Japan

BlazetheInferno
Jun 6, 2015

ThisIsACoolGuy posted:

How many supports do I have to do before Lorenz becomes someone I don't want to hit with a frying pan.

This is my third route and he is such a crappy person. I do not like this weird waluigi man.

He never drops the haughty noble bit, but his B supports with Ignatz and Marianne are pretty good, if you ask me. He leaves them feeling genuinely better about themselves. It seems to be a bit of a talent of his, helping people see past their own insecurities.

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Lorentz is great because a ton of his supports are just someone calling him out for sucking

Scrap Dragon
Oct 6, 2013

SECRET TECHNIQUE:
DARK SHADOW
BLACK FALLEN ANGEL!


tuo posted:

As someone who never played Fire Emblem before, and is pretty impressed by this game: which other Fire Emblems should I play next? Are they in some way connected, or is it Final Fantasy/Zelda-like, i.e. similar mechanics and maybe a shared universe, but each game is it's own "world"?

It’s kind of similar to Final Fantasy but they’ll usually do two games in each setting before moving on to the next one. The games that are most similar to 3H are Echoes (3DS) and Path of Radiance (Gamecube).

ROFL Octopus
Jun 20, 2014

LET ME EXPLAIN

Lorenz’s redemption arc is giving you his OP staff that you immediately equip on Lysithea

Funky Valentine
Feb 26, 2014

Dojyaa~an

The Lorenz/Claude support is good poo poo.

tuo posted:

As someone who never played Fire Emblem before, and is pretty impressed by this game: which other Fire Emblems should I play next? Are they in some way connected, or is it Final Fantasy/Zelda-like, i.e. similar mechanics and maybe a shared universe, but each game is it's own "world"?
About...half? the games take place in the same world, but they don't really connect all that much.

chiasaur11
Oct 22, 2012



tuo posted:

Finished my first playthrough (and actually my first Fire Emblem game ever), doing the Black Eagles path loyal to Edelgard and OF COURSE the only character that dies during that whole playthrough in the final battle is my dear Dorothea. Doesn't feel like a win :/

But I'm too interested in the other routes to do the final battle again (which I didn't really enjoy anyway).

As someone who never played Fire Emblem before, and is pretty impressed by this game: which other Fire Emblems should I play next? Are they in some way connected, or is it Final Fantasy/Zelda-like, i.e. similar mechanics and maybe a shared universe, but each game is it's own "world"?

They're like Final Fantasies, yeah, although some are directly connected to each other. None to Three Houses yet, though.

As for others in the series, it depends on what you want. I think Awakening's the safest bet going blind, though. Doesn't have the time management stuff, but it's relatively easy on the lower difficulties, the cast is likable, and while the plot is boilerplate it integrates its themes and mechanics in some really clever ways.

Path of Radiance is the most similar thematically, though, as mentioned. Might work better for you depending on what you liked.

Taear
Nov 26, 2004

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ROFL Octopus posted:

Lorenz’s redemption arc is giving you his OP staff that you immediately equip on Lysithea

I wonder if Lorenz's dad is a mage?
I mean I know the staff is handed down the family and Lorenz is a good Dark Knight but his staff definitely doesn't feel like something he should be using.

HenryEx
Mar 25, 2009

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Grimey Drawer
What am i supposed to do with Marianne? I guess she sorta starts off as a magic user?? She keeps leveling up strenght tho and when i gave her a sword (rank E+) and accidentally deposited her next to the first heavy armor knight i met in the game (i wanted to get one of my anti-armor axe users there but messed up my moves), he attacked her and she almost killed him just through counterattacks. She should've done like 4 damage but instead did 18 to a dude with like 15 armor

OTOH she's really way too fragile to send out into a fray...


Maybe i prefer the older games where i didn't have to worry about classes on every single unit, it was easier when they all already had their own path predetermined

Taear
Nov 26, 2004

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HenryEx posted:

What am i supposed to do with Marianne? I guess she sorta starts off as a magic user?? She keeps leveling up strenght tho and when i gave her a sword (rank E+) and accidentally deposited her next to the first heavy armor knight i met in the game (i wanted to get one of my anti-armor axe users there but messed up my moves), he attacked her and she almost killed him just through counterattacks. She should've done like 4 damage but instead did 18 to a dude with like 15 armor

OTOH she's really way too fragile to send out into a fray...


Maybe i prefer the older games where i didn't have to worry about classes on every single unit, it was easier when they all already had their own path predetermined

They basically do. She's a healer, make her into a Gremory.
I mean you can do whatever you want in theory but every character has a pretty specific path they're meant to follow and you can tell by what they have equipped when you first get them.

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


HenryEx posted:

What am i supposed to do with Marianne? I guess she sorta starts off as a magic user?? She keeps leveling up strenght tho and when i gave her a sword (rank E+) and accidentally deposited her next to the first heavy armor knight i met in the game (i wanted to get one of my anti-armor axe users there but messed up my moves), he attacked her and she almost killed him just through counterattacks. She should've done like 4 damage but instead did 18 to a dude with like 15 armor

OTOH she's really way too fragile to send out into a fray...


Maybe i prefer the older games where i didn't have to worry about classes on every single unit, it was easier when they all already had their own path predetermined

You can just autolevel them based on ther defaults if you want to.

Anyway, Marianne is very much a caster with 20% STR and 50% MAG growth. She has a minor in swords because she gets a (magic based) relic sword later on and learns Soulblade at C+ swords which a magic attack that increases in Mt based on her resistance. It's really good on her because of her great RES growth.

Andrast fucked around with this message at 11:59 on Aug 22, 2019

tuo
Jun 17, 2016

Thanks all for the recommendations! I guess I'll do another playthrough of Three Houses (just started a NG+ with Dimitri), but I have to admit I'll skip a lot of the monastery stuff...as someone already said, it's getting old quite fast.

I'll check the mentioned 3Ds ones out, if I am still pumped. I remember getting one for the 3Ds couple of years ago but I somehow lost interest after a very short time....gonna have to check which one that was.

I was a bit surprised by the difficulty spike after timeskip in Edelgard route and of course it went on into the final battle. I did a lot of battles before the timeskip, and actually thought I am totally overlevelled, because every battle was super easy, and I also did the fault of mainly using just four or five units all the time, leaving the rest underlevelled. That bit quite hard at the end, but I still can't believe that it was Dorothea that had to die, because she was level 50 or so and a killing machine....up until I wanted to drop that final boss a bit too fast before Catherine gets too close. It's pretty awesome how attached you get to the characters.

Arkeus
Jul 21, 2013

HenryEx posted:

What am i supposed to do with Marianne? I guess she sorta starts off as a magic user?? She keeps leveling up strenght tho and when i gave her a sword (rank E+) and accidentally deposited her next to the first heavy armor knight i met in the game (i wanted to get one of my anti-armor axe users there but messed up my moves), he attacked her and she almost killed him just through counterattacks. She should've done like 4 damage but instead did 18 to a dude with like 15 armor

OTOH she's really way too fragile to send out into a fray...


Maybe i prefer the older games where i didn't have to worry about classes on every single unit, it was easier when they all already had their own path predetermined

Marianne makes a good dancer (basically makes her a dodge-counter with the dancer sword avoid and her good relic sword), she makes a good bishop/grimory, she makes a good holy knight, and in my current run I am dismissing magic entirerly for her and making her a Falcon Knight.

HenryEx
Mar 25, 2009

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I mean it makes sense to say she's a healer but she has more strength than my Caspar at level 10 now and somehow seems to do more damage than my Edelgard sometimes (also has less magic than strength)

I dunno what a Gremory is, is that a level 20 class? My highest character is Byleth at 12 i think

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


HenryEx posted:

I mean it makes sense to say she's a healer but she has more strength than my Caspar at level 10 now and somehow seems to do more damage than my Edelgard sometimes

I dunno what a Gremory is, is that a level 20 class? My highest character is Byleth at 12 i think

Congrats on getting lucky with her STR. Gremory is a master class which is a lvl30 class and the last tier of the classes available. Most of them are various specialists but some are just upgrades over their equivalent advanced classes.

Marianne is pretty flexible and she could realistically be built and excel as a Gremory, Dark Knight or Mortal Savant depending on your preferences. Dancer, Holy Knight or just leaving her at Bishop for best healing seem pretty good too.

Andrast fucked around with this message at 12:13 on Aug 22, 2019

Taear
Nov 26, 2004

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HenryEx posted:

I mean it makes sense to say she's a healer but she has more strength than my Caspar at level 10 now and somehow seems to do more damage than my Edelgard sometimes (also has less magic than strength)

I dunno what a Gremory is, is that a level 20 class? My highest character is Byleth at 12 i think

You should absolutely look up the master classes and plan your guys towards them. They're not mega important but if you want to use them and you haven't already moved in that direction it makes it more of a faff.

Still - while there are more options everyone definitely has a class they're aimed towards.

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Taear posted:

You should absolutely look up the master classes and plan your guys towards them. They're not mega important but if you want to use them and you haven't already moved in that direction it makes it more of a faff.

Still - while there are more options everyone definitely has a class they're aimed towards.

Yeah master class requirements can kind of blindside you if you haven't looked at them beforehand, especially the various mounted casters. Like you said missing them isn't that big of a deal though.

At least most (female) mages will naturally qualify for Gremory since people are probably leveling both reason and faith on them anyway.

ChrisBTY
Mar 29, 2012

this glorious monument

Alert: After 17 levels Cyril has finally gained a point of strength via level up.
Gods take this condescending workaholic trash child.

Funky Valentine
Feb 26, 2014

Dojyaa~an

There is something seriously up with how enemy fliers are tuned. They're the most consistent killers I've run into.

Taear
Nov 26, 2004

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Funky Valentine posted:

There is something seriously up with how enemy fliers are tuned. They're the most consistent killers I've run into.

Yea you'll get every other enemy unit doing you 0 damage then a flier will roll up and do 30. They'll still often miss my characters but it's strange that it's such a huge gap.

It made the Manuela paralogue quite hard for me because the fliers would oneshot her, whereas the other enemies didn't do anything.

It's a mystery.

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Taear posted:

Yea you'll get every other enemy unit doing you 0 damage then a flier will roll up and do 30. They'll still often miss my characters but it's strange that it's such a huge gap.

It made the Manuela paralogue quite hard for me because the fliers would oneshot her, whereas the other enemies didn't do anything.

It's a mystery.

I feel like almost all of my rewinds have been some random flier ganking someone unexpectedly

HenryEx
Mar 25, 2009

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Andrast posted:

At least most (female) mages will naturally qualify for Gremory since people are probably leveling both reason and faith on them anyway.

Why would people leve both of those on the women specifically?


I probably won't have any female mages anyway, now that i think about it. I'm about to bench Dorothea for good for being absolutely terrible. After ten levels in a row of 2 point level-ups with only a single magic up and none in health, my breaking point has been reached. She doesn't even have the saving grace of being interesting to hang out with like Bernie.


edit: wait i guess there's still Annette. I forgot about her because she turned out to be so good with the axe that she doesn't register as a mage in my mind

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


HenryEx posted:

Why would people leve both of those on the women specifically?


I probably won't have any female mages anyway, now that i think about it. I'm about to bench Dorothea for good for being absolutely terrible. After ten levels in a row of 2 point level-ups with only a single magic up and none in health, my breaking point has been reached. She doesn't even have the saving grace of being interesting to hang out with like Bernie.


edit: wait i guess there's still Annette. I forgot about her because she turned out to be so good with the axe that she doesn't register as a mage in my mind

You're probably going to level both skills on both genders but Gremory is only available to women for some godforsaken reason.

ROFL Octopus
Jun 20, 2014

LET ME EXPLAIN

Learn from your friend ROFL Octopus’s mistakes and build Annette to be a Dark Knight.

Jerry Manderbilt
May 31, 2012

No matter how much paperwork I process, it never goes away. It only increases.

ROFL Octopus posted:

Learn from your friend ROFL Octopus’s mistakes and build Annette to be a Dark Knight.

it's what i'm doing now because being mounted and having canto makes her a thousand times better as a rallybot

Metis of the Chat Thread
Aug 1, 2014


Andrast posted:

You're probably going to level both skills on both genders but Gremory is only available to women for some godforsaken reason.

Linhardt would look so good in the default Gremory outfit too. What a waste.

ChrisBTY
Mar 29, 2012

this glorious monument

I built Annette to be a dancer because I couldn't recruit Mercedes on time.
I forgot she has multiple rally abilities.

Also; I think Catherine is the worst person in the playable cast.

Casper B support.
I will do anything for Lady Rhea. I will murder children!
Uh...I think child murder is bad.
What if the children have guns? What then Mr. moral guy?
Uhhhh...
See, ain't so easy is it. That's why I outsource my morals. Let Lady Rhea deal with that poo poo.


Or Shamir Rank B
I just don't get the whole Rhea and goddess thing.
Sharmir if you were anybody else I would cut you down where you stand

Metis of the Chat Thread
Aug 1, 2014


acab

(all catherines are bastards)

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Taear
Nov 26, 2004

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ChrisBTY posted:

I built Annette to be a dancer because I couldn't recruit Mercedes on time.
I forgot she has multiple rally abilities.

Also; I think Catherine is the worst person in the playable cast.

She's a right prick (Catherine) to Byleth in C and B supports.

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