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I'm just looking to use Windows and Linux on an older (2015) MBP for some edge cases where brew doesn't have what I want. USB/serial devices that need updating and only offer .exe files, etc. Bootcamp is too much. Is Parallels any better? I remember reading that they were acquired by Corel.
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eames posted:I'm just looking to use Windows and Linux on an older (2015) MBP for some edge cases where brew doesn't have what I want. USB/serial devices that need updating and only offer .exe files, etc. Bootcamp is too much. Is Parallels any better? I remember reading that they were acquired by Corel. Parallels is fine, but you're essentially paying for a yearly sub at this point because you won't get any support for any future macOS updates after the first year.
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Aug 24, 2019 16:17
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Fusion 11 runs Windows 10 (and 3.11) just fine on my 2014 Mini. I tried Virtualbox at first but found it pretty laggy.
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Aug 24, 2019 16:18
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Virtual box is fine.l if you don't need anything crazy.
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Aug 24, 2019 16:27
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If it's just an EXE using ancient APIs, could it possibly run with wine? Worth a shot. VirtualBox is more than fine if you want to spin up an entire VM. I don't understand some Mac users' distaste for free & open source software. Sure the paid stuff is flashier, integrates into the host OS better, and at least in the past was a little more performant w.r.t. hardware acceleration, esp. desktop compositing. But it's not like the core functionality that you're looking for is meaningfully different.
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Aug 24, 2019 17:09
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Pivo posted:VirtualBox is more than fine if you want to spin up an entire VM. I don't understand some Mac users' distaste for free & open source software. Sure the paid stuff is flashier, integrates into the host OS better, and at least in the past was a little more performant w.r.t. hardware acceleration, esp. desktop compositing. But it's not like the core functionality that you're looking for is meaningfully different. Flashier, a more seamless user experience, and more performant are some of the primary reasons people are willing to pay a premium for Apple products — or, really, anything. Those are all important factors to consider. Don’t get me wrong, I use tons of FOSS and do think that VirtualBox is the way to go in this case but the reasons you listed are pretty much the main reasons to spend money on software when a functionally equivalent open source solution exists.
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Aug 24, 2019 19:13
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I try to use FOSS wherever possible as long as it isn't owned by Oracle.  I'll give virtualbox a try though.
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Aug 24, 2019 19:45
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Buy a T-series thinkpad for < $100 and use that
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Aug 24, 2019 20:29
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Lawen posted:Don’t get me wrong, I use tons of FOSS and do think that VirtualBox is the way to go in this case but the reasons you listed are pretty much the main reasons to spend money on software when a functionally equivalent open source solution exists. Yeah I'm not sure what my argument was. I think there's a general dirty feeling I get when people use expensive pro tools for things that don't require them, acquire expensive licenses for one-off tasks (like this example), or how in general on the platform people are expected to spend money even for simple tools that would normally be a simple thing that got open-sourced because someone created it for themselves. I write software for a living, I get it, but for some reason on the platform there isn't a culture of sharing small utility apps or preferring & recommending FOSS. People immediately jump to "how can I buy my way out of this?" and, well, it's something I don't like about macOS and the culture around it. I'm not sure that's a terribly interesting thing to bring up, or that I've thought terribly much about it. We can afford the Mac but it makes it hard to recommend macOS to the world.
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Aug 24, 2019 20:30
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the simplest solution would be a frontend for hypervisor.framework (which afaik is essentially what veertu for desktop was) but no such thing exists. virtualbox seems to work for my purposes, albeit everything seems to take a bit longer than it used to years ago in VMware. Maybe that's just my MBP showing its age. Pivo posted:for some reason on the platform there isn't a culture of sharing small utility apps or preferring & recommending FOSS. People immediately jump to "how can I buy my way out of this?" and, well, it's something I don't like about macOS and the culture around it. That's the company. Their interest in a thriving FOSS ecosystem on their platform is limited when they have their curated App Store as a major source of income. Security measures like app notarization and the inability to load third party kexts by default aren't helping either. I honestly wish I could find a laptop/linux combination compelling enough to make me switch but I've tried and always came back happy to pay the apple tax. The sad part is that even Windows 10 is now well ahead of macOS in many related aspects (Hyper-V, WSL2, better docker support, etc) Bob Morales posted:Buy a T-series thinkpad for < $100 and use that new thread title 
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Aug 24, 2019 21:15
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Crunchy Black posted:Thread consensus seems to be to stay away from newer versions of Fusion. Why? I've had zero issues with it. But if work didn't pay for my license, I definitely would use Virtual Box.
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Aug 25, 2019 00:35
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Proteus Jones posted:Why? I've had zero issues with it. Same here. I'm curious where this "thread consensus" came from.
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Aug 25, 2019 01:03
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Kinda upsetting that VMWare's blog hasn't been updated since November 2018, and there's been no mention of any 'coming' or new features- it's all been maintenance patches.
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Aug 25, 2019 02:15
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Proteus Jones posted:Why? I've had zero issues with it. upthread I recall some concern over spyware/monitoring. I only use OSX these days cause it's work mandated so my opinion is probably bad and wrong! the touchbar is idiotic and I wish I could disable it and get maybe 20 more minutes of battery life!
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Aug 25, 2019 14:44
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Not sure if this is the right thread or not, I'm wiping my mother in laws ancient 2009 MBP and was going to reinstall the OS. I'm at the re-install screen, it wants an apple id, I put in mine and then it spits out a somewhat cryptic ""this item is temporarily unavailable" message, which the internet seems to indicate is because I don't have an apple id with an active mac os entitlement on it (which is probably true, I haven't owned a Mac since the G5 days). How the hell can I actually get El Capitan back on this thing?
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Aug 26, 2019 01:56
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Luceo posted:Same here. I'm curious where this "thread consensus" came from. Yah ditto. I'm using the current Fusion but admittedly not really stressing it.
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Aug 26, 2019 02:09
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Maneki Neko posted:Not sure if this is the right thread or not, I'm wiping my mother in laws ancient 2009 MBP and was going to reinstall the OS. I'm at the re-install screen, it wants an apple id, I put in mine and then it spits out a somewhat cryptic ""this item is temporarily unavailable" message, which the internet seems to indicate is because I don't have an apple id with an active mac os entitlement on it (which is probably true, I haven't owned a Mac since the G5 days).
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Aug 26, 2019 02:54
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There’s something weird with the licensing I thought. Basically, you have to have it entitled to your Apple ID to get it via Recovery. You might have to install an older OS then upgrade to El Capitan or make an installer using another Mac. It doesn’t explain what I’m thinking, but here’s Apple’s suggestions: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT206886 nitsuga fucked around with this message at 03:30 on Aug 26, 2019 |
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Aug 26, 2019 03:27
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Gobbeldygook posted:This may be related to your story or not: I recently bought a mid-2012 MBP, setup an appleID and such on it, but soon realized I had to reformat it. I had to do an Internet recovery starting in Lion and work my way up to Mojave. I remember hitting a wall I THINK trying to install El Capitan where the app store wouldn't let me login to my appleid because I had two-factor authentication enabled on my account and couldn't receive them on that MBP. I ended up borrowing someone's old iphone 5C, setting up my appleid on it, and receiving my 2-factor authentication code on that phone. Weirdly, it wouldn't take my apple ID, and it kept crapping out on my mother in laws apple id but hitting cancel eventually installed the os, but registered under my apple id  nitsuga posted:There’s something weird with the licensing I thought. Basically, you have to have it entitled to your Apple ID to get it via Recovery. You might have to install an older OS then upgrade to El Capitan or make an installer using another Mac. I'll see if I can dig up the recovery disks or something for this, I saw some suggestions about trying to make a bootable offline El Capitan installer, this whole thing is a giant pain in the rear end. I was also trying the steps in this article, which seems to imply that El Capitan machines are slightly different, but either way no way to reinstall without entering an apple ID and getting it associated with my account. https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204904 Basically, this is all lies: "Command-R is still the recommended way to start up from macOS Recovery. This combination makes sure that the installation isn't associated with your Apple ID, which is important if you're selling or giving away your Mac." Maneki Neko fucked around with this message at 05:05 on Aug 26, 2019 |
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Aug 26, 2019 04:58
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Maneki Neko posted:I'll see if I can dig up the recovery disks or something for this, I saw some suggestions about trying to make a bootable offline El Capitan installer, this whole thing is a giant pain in the rear end. Bootable USB installer is often the least-hassle way to go. Only problem is trying to get the actual installer if you have a newer version of MacOS installed on another machine.
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Aug 26, 2019 07:20
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Hmm so noticed this issue when I upgraded to Mojave. I am using Karabiner (Latest) and it seems that I cannot shift click and highlight multiple items below the first click in finder. Example: Finder shows 5 folders, I left click the first folder, then I goto the last folder and hold shift > Left click. This should highlight all of the folders but it doesn't. Anyone find a fix for this?
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Aug 26, 2019 07:40
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lol internet. posted:Hmm so noticed this issue when I upgraded to Mojave. Does cmd+a still work?
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Aug 26, 2019 13:41
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tuyop posted:Does cmd+a still work? That works yes, although my example was a select all basically, generally I'm not doing a shift click to select all.
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Aug 26, 2019 14:40
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lol internet. posted:That works yes, although my example was a select all basically, generally I'm not doing a shift click to select all. Yeah I’m of limited use then, sorry. My shift clicks still work fine. 
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Aug 26, 2019 15:17
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nitsuga posted:There’s something weird with the licensing I thought. Basically, you have to have it entitled to your Apple ID to get it via Recovery. You might have to install an older OS then upgrade to El Capitan or make an installer using another Mac. Yeah with the move to ElCap there can be some weirdness with Apple ID if you didn't initially setup the machine there because of the provisions of Apple ID.
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Aug 26, 2019 15:49
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Last night I finally upgraded my 2013 MBP to Mojave so I guess I'll be posting again in a year when I upgrade to Catalina.
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Aug 26, 2019 22:23
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Just curious why?
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Aug 27, 2019 09:49
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Why upgrade, or why the upgrade delay?
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Aug 27, 2019 16:51
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Dick Trauma posted:Last night I finally upgraded my 2013 MBP to Mojave so I guess I'll be posting again in a year when I upgrade to Catalina. I'm still rocking High Sierra on my MBP 2014 Retina. I tried to upgrade to Mojave but it keeps giving me an error. Must be a sign from high above. So I'm just gonna rock High Sierra until support runs out.
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Aug 27, 2019 21:32
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I've still got High Sierra on my 2013. I'll get round to Mojave one day, but there are pieces of software I use that don't have a 64bit version so I might not go for Catalina. The reason I've not yet updated to Mojave is that having put in my own SSD I think I have to put in my original SSD to do the upgrade right? More effort than getting dark mode is worth.
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Aug 28, 2019 12:09
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On Mojave: I use an external (dual, actually) monitor. When I sleep/shut down, my windows are all jacked up on restart. Apparently all third-party apps that fix this are now incompatible because Apple. Is there a fix?
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Aug 28, 2019 13:56
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If I get an HP LaserJet 5550 off craigslist does macOS have 64bit drivers? Hp’s site doesn’t have any Mac downloads for a printer that old (2004) but elsewhere on the internet it says there are some built in to the OS. I’m trying to figure out if it will continue working for the next few macOS iterations.
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Aug 28, 2019 14:19
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Hed posted:If I get an HP LaserJet 5550 off craigslist does macOS have 64bit drivers? They haven't generated drivers past OS9.
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Aug 28, 2019 16:29
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Sad Panda posted:I've still got High Sierra on my 2013. I'll get round to Mojave one day, but there are pieces of software I use that don't have a 64bit version so I might not go for Catalina. I forgot about that, but I since my MBP has been a secondary machine from the start I expect that I don't have anything interesting on there after six years of OS upgrades. Probably my only old app is Geektool for putting the date and time on my desktop, and that's been broken for me for ages anyway.
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Aug 28, 2019 16:49
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Hed posted:If I get an HP LaserJet 5550 off craigslist does macOS have 64bit drivers? Can ya just PCL or PS it
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Aug 28, 2019 19:44
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That printer definitely supports those I just have no experience using essentially a generic driver in macOS. Would it be a pain in the rear end or just me missing out on toner warnings and being unable to set the paper trays
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Aug 28, 2019 20:38
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I would guess be able to set paper trays but no toner warnings.
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Aug 28, 2019 20:54
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crazysim posted:I would guess be able to set paper trays but no toner warnings. That's about how it went for me with generic CUPS drivers and some slightly newer HP printers. Caveat: I am not at all versed in the finer points of macOS printer management, and I probably overlooked something easier and more effective.
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Aug 29, 2019 06:38
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I liked just setting up an RPi as a printer server. But I imagine the drivers are basically the same for something that old.
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tuyop posted:I liked just setting up an RPi as a printer server. But I imagine the drivers are basically the same for something that old. Yeah if using something older that has published, unsigned drivers, this is probably your best best.
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