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I think they're chill as long as their evil god is asleep, but it was recently woken up by the Silver Surfer so they're all going crazy again.
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Initially it was the complete opposite and Venom was the only member of its species that was interested in actual symbiosis instead of dominating its hosts completely and draining them dry. The Carnage symbiote took that a step further and its personality was basically completely subsumed by Kasady's.
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Lunatic Sledge posted:iirc they also get mind-poisoned into madness or something if they bond to an rear end in a top hat, and that was Venom's deal Sheesh, that Peter Parker, corrupting that poor innocent symbiote! What a menace!
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TwoPair posted:It's definitely gone back and forth but Bendis established them as being peaceful in his GOTG run and even though Cates has been doing some stuff establishing them as servants of a mad space god I think the idea is that symbiotes are basically good as long as they're not mind controlled. The original reveal was, as Lurdiak stated, the whole race were a bunch of space locusts that would go from planet to planet and suck the hosts dry. The Venom symbiote wanted actual symbiosis with its host and the others deemed it insane for its views. In Secret Wars, Spider-Man was unknowingly freeing an inmate from its prison. So the race is inherently evil outside of Venom, with its kin being a mixed bag. Carnage is pure evil, Hybrid is a pacifist egged on by its host's bloodlust, Scream is violent but kind of chills out over time and Toxin is like a well-meaning child who needs to be taught why killing is bad. Then again, "Venom is the good one" became kind of bullshit when Mac Gargan happened and he essentially became Corporate Carnage. So when Flash Thompson Venom was in the Guardians, the symbiote was drawn back to its home planet. Turned out that they're called klyntars and they're really peaceful by default. Venom lost its way because of having a psychotic first host and being too far away from the home planet for so long. The symbiote is cleansed and Flash becomes Venom: Space Knight. He gets a new solo series where the symbiote treats excessive violence like an addiction it needs to work through. The first host was later revealed by Mike Costa to be a Kree soldier who wanted to weaponize the ability to shapeshift against the Skrulls. Depending on how you read it, it's either an expanded explanation or a retcon of "Venom is volatile because its first host was a psychotic monster." Also worth noting that a major plot thread in Costa's run was that the Venom symbiote was pregnant again and was scared that it was going to be another monster like its other children. The symbiote at least wanted its kid to be good and non-violent. Then we get to the Cates run. Cates' whole deal appears to be, "I've read every Venom story and I don't think we've scratched the surface on the symbiote concept. In order to tell this story, I'm going to have to stack retcon onto retcon onto retcon." He's handwaved away things like Eddie's cancer and the idea that Eddie had a sister. He also introduced Knull, God of the Symbiotes and makes it apparent that the symbiotes are absolutely bad news. All that poo poo from Guardians of the Galaxy was an illusion and the team was unknowingly inside a giant, nightmarish planet-sized symbiote ball. The only real hope for a symbiote to not be a vicious hellbeast is to be away from Knull's mental grasp for long enough. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.
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Gavok posted:Then we get to the Cates run. Cates' whole deal appears to be, "I've read every Venom story and I don't think we've scratched the surface on the symbiote concept. In order to tell this story, I'm going to have to stack retcon onto retcon onto retcon." He's handwaved away things like Eddie's cancer and the idea that Eddie had a sister. He also introduced Knull, God of the Symbiotes and makes it apparent that the symbiotes are absolutely bad news. All that poo poo from Guardians of the Galaxy was an illusion and the team was unknowingly inside a giant, nightmarish planet-sized symbiote ball. The only real hope for a symbiote to not be a vicious hellbeast is to be away from Knull's mental grasp for long enough. Oof.. I just wish we could get to a symbiote origin/explanation that's good enough to actually stick. Also "klyntar" is even worse than the word "moist"
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Gavok posted:The original reveal was, as Lurdiak stated, the whole race were a bunch of space locusts that would go from planet to planet and suck the hosts dry. The Venom symbiote wanted actual symbiosis with its host and the others deemed it insane for its views. In Secret Wars, Spider-Man was unknowingly freeing an inmate from its prison. So the race is inherently evil outside of Venom, with its kin being a mixed bag. Carnage is pure evil, Hybrid is a pacifist egged on by its host's bloodlust, Scream is violent but kind of chills out over time and Toxin is like a well-meaning child who needs to be taught why killing is bad. Just want to point out that I wrote this post on the same day that I finished booking my honeymoon, so if I can make it, so can you.
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Gavok posted:Just want to point out that I wrote this post on the same day that I finished booking my honeymoon, so if I can make it, so can you. ...Did you just invite all of us to your honeymoon?
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CzarChasm posted:...Did you just invite all of us to your honeymoon? You win this round.
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Speaking of not scratching the surface of symbiotes, the Fox animated series of all things brought up and immediately forgot something potentially really interesting about the symbiotes, which is the fact that they're incredibly long lived and due to the fact that they migrate from planet to planet bonding with people, they have the knowledge and wisdom of thousands of civilizations stored within them. And that's why Venom drove that truck I guess.
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We need Murdock or Walters to explain how a marriage between a man, a woman, and a symbiote works. No man writes so many words about Venom without being under alien influence. Not even going to get into the complications with the rings at Rhyno’s wedding.
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Open Marriage Night posted:We need Murdock or Walters to explain how a marriage between a man, a woman, and a symbiote works. No man writes so many words about Venom without being under alien influence. There's been conjoined twins who got married, I figure it works a bit like that.
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I am going to presume they changed the name of that symbiote god for the Swedish release unless they wanted to be real edgy.
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evilmiera posted:I am going to presume they changed the name of that symbiote god for the Swedish release unless they wanted to be real edgy. Hang on what
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Knull is the Swedish word for 'gently caress'.
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Open Marriage Night posted:Not even going to get into the complications with the rings at Rhyno’s wedding. ... Real talk, how do you know about that?
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Open Marriage Night posted:We need Murdock or Walters to explain how a marriage between a man, a woman, and a symbiote works. No man writes so many words about Venom without being under alien influence. (Que Gavok coming in to talk about the time that Eddie and his Ex-Wife both wore the Symbiot at the same time.)
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 Skyman #3 (1947)  Iceman #3 (1985)  GLX-Mas Special #1 (2006)  Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles/Ghostbusters #2 (2014)
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venkman you cunning linguist
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goatface posted:Mindless one-bots Ask and you shall receive. X-Men Black - Mojo:    
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TwoPair posted:Ask and you shall receive. X-Men Black - Mojo: This really reads like Nextwave Dialogue.
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Savidudeosoo posted:This really reads like Nextwave Dialogue. If I remember correctly it was written by Scott Aukerman of Comedy Bang Bang,
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good day for a bris posted:If I remember correctly it was written by Scott Aukerman of Comedy Bang Bang, He did get the credit for creating the spitting mutant.
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Original character don't steal
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Synthbuttrange posted:Makes sense cause he’s a total fuckboy I mean, if they did have that and left the name as is, they absolutely should have the dialogue of the issue where he is introduced just consist of the Guardians giggling at him and refusing to say why.
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Snackmar posted:Oof.. I just wish we could get to a symbiote origin/explanation that's good enough to actually stick. Also "klyntar" is even worse than the word "moist" Originally it was kylntar, as in The Kyln, the ancient planet-sized machinery keeping the Negative Zone out. Slightly famous for being blown the gently caress up at the start of the Annihilation storyline, and mostly famous for being a generic space prison in the Guardians of the Galaxy movie. But someone typo'd the name about two seconds after it was first introduced, switching the Y and L around, and suddenly instead of a name meaning "goopy byproduct of the ancient primordial machine at the edge of the universe" it was a nonsense word that never got corrected. Not gonna lie, I kind of think they dropped the ball on that one.
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Fuego Fish posted:Originally it was kylntar, as in The Kyln, the ancient planet-sized machinery keeping the Negative Zone out. Slightly famous for being blown the gently caress up at the start of the Annihilation storyline, and mostly famous for being a generic space prison in the Guardians of the Galaxy movie. I remain convinced Bendis simply did not have an editor for most of his Marvel tenure.
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Lurdiak posted:I remain convinced Bendis simply did not have an editor for most of his Marvel tenure. The Sentry is a thumb-sucking manchild and not a noble man wrestling with his demons, okay?!
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Gavok posted:The Sentry is a thumb-sucking manchild and not a noble man wrestling with his demons, okay?! Carnage's main power is absorbing people's life force.
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Lurdiak posted:I remain convinced Bendis simply did not have an editor for most of his Marvel tenure. There were enough weird mistakes in other titles during that period that I doubt it was just his editor being lax, but yeah, he definitely didn’t give a poo poo.
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Lurdiak posted:Carnage's main power is absorbing people's life force. We didn't know it but that was an early hint about Secret Wars where Ultimate Carnage's power was transferred to 616 Carnage for a little bit until he was ripped in half and then I don't know how he came back. Magic probably?
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Lurdiak posted:I remain convinced Bendis simply did not have an editor for most of his Marvel tenure. These stupid movies make Google searching impossible, but pretend I posted the panel where the Avengers are in a crashing plane and Doctor Strange says "I can't use magic under these conditions!"
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No context Manga panels!  A serious discussion on tropes! Series - RaW Hero
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