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Just realized, if you like the conceit of the current story and arent already reading this other thing, then you might enjoy the current X-Men revamp, House of X / Powers of X as a more serious (as far as comic books go) take on this thing.
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http://trixie.thecomicseries.com/comics/408 oops
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Think this might be proof you can have simulations in simulations.
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super sweet best pal posted:Think this might be proof you can have simulations in simulations. Why? I don't follow you there.
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Aug 24, 2019 17:42
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http://trixie.webcomic.ws/comics/409 The Ambassador's making a very inspiring speech and compelling case that is going to backfire because it will inspire Lyndon to kill himself so he can undo all his mistakes
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edit: ^^ drat it  Wait... are we the bad guys? You hosed up again, Lyndon! spoiler in case anybody scrolls down too fast if the "simulation" is indistinguishable, maybe he should do whatever he can to prolong it, and the lives of the people within... but I'm easily swayed by people who sound like they know what they're talking about. uvar fucked around with this message at 13:26 on Aug 26, 2019 |
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Aug 26, 2019 13:19
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It's a fake world entirely contingent on Lyndon's existence, and when Lyndon dies everyone will just disappear, instantaneously and painlessly. It's already lasted longer than it should, as evidenced by the stars disappearing. The ambassador also had no scruples destroying countless worlds just like this before, so...
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Aug 26, 2019 13:39
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I think it's the difference between being the only real person in the simulation and being fake in someone else's. Just self-preservation.
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Aug 26, 2019 15:13
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Oh he's absolutely about to go "yeah you're right" before shoving that snake teeth-first into his throat
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Aug 26, 2019 17:49
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I'm starting to think that the Sceptre of Death is a rather unpleasant device.
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Aug 26, 2019 18:37
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It certainly lives up to its name
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I went back and checked and Lyndon does call it a simulation, but still - I feel like focusing on that term is missing the point because it implies it's inferior. As far as we can tell it's a perfect copy of a sphere around the local solar system, and it's not the original but it's basically just as valid, and the Ambassador reasonably wants it to continue in the same way that I would want to prevent somebody ending the existence of me and everything else if I knew they could and might actually do it. It is effectively a doomed world regardless. But it's like in all kinds of media (well, mostly SF & fantasy) where somebody gets duplicated; you shouldn't just murder one of them and call it a day.
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uvar posted:I went back and checked and Lyndon does call it a simulation, but still - I feel like focusing on that term is missing the point because it implies it's inferior. As far as we can tell it's a perfect copy of a sphere around the local solar system, and it's not the original but it's basically just as valid, and the Ambassador reasonably wants it to continue in the same way that I would want to prevent somebody ending the existence of me and everything else if I knew they could and might actually do it. But to say it's a duplicate would imply that both it and the original can exist simultaneously, which isn't the case. The people of the simulated world aren't actually going to cease to exist when it ends; they'll just go back to living their original lives, which they can't do while the simulation is running. Besides, nothing about the way the sceptre works seems to imply that the simulated world exists anywhere except inside the sceptre toucher's mind. Eeevil fucked around with this message at 08:56 on Aug 27, 2019 |
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Eeevil posted:But to say it's a duplicate would imply that both it and the original can exist simultaneously, which isn't the case. The people of the simulated world aren't actually going to cease to exist when it ends; they'll just go back to living their original lives. Really, nothing about the way the sceptre works seems to imply that the simulated world exists anywhere except inside the sceptre toucher's mind. It seems very much as though the opposite is true. The original world is "waiting" for the result of the simulation, but the simulated people will absolutely cease to exist once the simulation ends, along with everything in their reality. They won't go back to being those other people - they're separate entities who exist with the parameters and memories of those other people. When the simulation ends, they'll die. That said, the ambassador is totally insincere here. He's right, but he's evil as hell. He doesn't exclusively care about preserving the lives of the simulated people - he also wants to make sure that Lyndon will be a mindless, thoughtless tree when he dies, and therefore unable to pass information about Skyggemyr back to the original universe.
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Android Blues posted:It seems very much as though the opposite is true. The original world is "waiting" for the result of the simulation, but the simulated people will absolutely cease to exist once the simulation ends, along with everything in their reality. They won't go back to being those other people - they're separate entities who exist with the parameters and memories of those other people. When the simulation ends, they'll die. If you wake up from a dream, does the version of you from the dream die? Or, if your mom was in the dream, would you say that waking up killed a version of your mom?
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But it's not a dream - these are people simulated to within an absurd degree of accuracy. They're effectively perfect copies, and they exist independently of Lyndon's perception.
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Also, Lyndon isn't dreaming, and there's no continuity between the Lyndon we're currently following and the one who touched the sceptre. They're different individuals. Original Lyndon will see a vision of this Lyndon's death, but that's it.
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Aug 27, 2019 09:19
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But they're still just a simulation of what the actual people would do. They aren't a separate entity - they're an extrapolation based on data, the same as the light from the stars. The sceptre just has more data than people's minds. When the vision ends, those original people won't have memory of what happened, but they won't have lost anything.
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Aug 27, 2019 09:26
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Right, but these simulated people will, and they're effectively alive. They certainly are separate entities: we have every reason to believe they're as real as the people from the original universe.
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Aug 27, 2019 09:29
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Well, I don't believe that we do.
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Aug 27, 2019 09:32
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uvar posted:I went back and checked and Lyndon does call it a simulation, but still - I feel like focusing on that term is missing the point because it implies it's inferior. As far as we can tell it's a perfect copy of a sphere around the local solar system, and it's not the original but it's basically just as valid, and the Ambassador reasonably wants it to continue in the same way that I would want to prevent somebody ending the existence of me and everything else if I knew they could and might actually do it. Turns out murder is an effective way to solve the problem and if the entities who make the simulations keep getting useless results maybe they'll stop being assholes and making doomed simulations.
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Perhaps they fear Lyndon will learn a spell to transfer his simulated consciousness and memories to his real self after his simulated death.
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Eeevil posted:But they're still just a simulation of what the actual people would do. They aren't a separate entity - they're an extrapolation based on data, the same as the light from the stars. The sceptre just has more data than people's minds. When the vision ends, those original people won't have memory of what happened, but they won't have lost anything. Sounds like it’s an issue of whether or not they are philosophical zombies. Of course if they are, so is this Lyndon, so this is all rather low stakes
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i would like someone to further unpack the alternate reading where the plot of Trixie Slaughteraxe revolves around the fact that its primary characters bear an immutable, supernatural soul granted by the Lord Jesus Christ
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Aug 27, 2019 19:27
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Jesus Templethrasher.
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As far as the stakes go, the real relevance of this whole arc is revealing what's really been at stake this whole time. We learned that the antagonists were secretly being manipulated the whole time by an almost omniscient enemy, and if the hero's quest fails the land will be ravaged by unending plague and war, all the characters we've met die, and so on. It's basically an alternate universe/time travel plot device, but with the twist we didn't know for sure it was one while it was happening. And also, everything that's happened so far will impact the final moment, which is what determines whether the real Lyndon will be able to save the world by passing on what he's learned. That's where the tension comes from here. Android Blues posted:That said, the ambassador is totally insincere here. He's right, but he's evil as hell. He doesn't exclusively care about preserving the lives of the simulated people - he also wants to make sure that Lyndon will be a mindless, thoughtless tree when he dies, and therefore unable to pass information about Skyggemyr back to the original universe. I've been assuming his plan this whole time was "make sure Lyndon lives as long as possible, and then right before he dies, tell him any relevant information you learned this time so your original counterpart can torture it out of him." Which isn't mutually exclusive with the tree thing, to be sure. Eeevil posted:Well, I don't believe that we do. I mean, from our point of view, the characters were already fictional, so.
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Let's say you discovered you were in a simulation, how would you react differently than if you weren't?
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If you're not already going to try to murder the Demiurge just smh
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So here's the thing we don't know if this world will end when Lyndon dies, we just know that Lyndon will get a vision of his death.
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http://trixie.thecomicseries.com/comics/410 with any luck audrey just kills lyndon before he has a chance to do anything stupid
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Lyndon is just such a wet blanket who gets convinced by whoever talked to him last.
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Aug 30, 2019 09:28
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Lyndon has a giant guilt complex and, arguably, he's sort of right. He has the opportunity to save a lot of lives by letting the ambassador win. Of course, he could also save a lot of lives by sending information that would prevent war and plague back to the original universe.
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He wants so much to preserve the suffering of people who have to endure a plague and a war that he doesn't want to help create a world where these disasters are averted.
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Cat Mattress posted:He wants so much to preserve the suffering of people who have to endure a plague and a war that he doesn't want to help create a world where these disasters are averted. Not very fair to the survivors.
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Lyndon trying to gently caress up more colossally than he has ever hosed up before. I'm not sure where he expects this to end up, but he's absolutely getting murdered by Audrey at this rate.
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super sweet best pal posted:Not very fair to the survivors. It is important to preserve your life as a grieving amputee who has lost all their friends and family, so that the same thing will happen to the real you. We could end it all, immediately and painlessly, to give a chance to your non-simulated self to never go through what you have had to go through, but it wouldn't be moral, now, would it?
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Aug 30, 2019 11:49
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Lyndon you spineless loving dork
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Congratulations, Lyndon. You now have given your adversaries time to get snake-handling armor on the witch who casts "Snicker-Snack Yoink." Admittedly, using poisonous snakes for the teleportation trap was a bad idea to begin with. I guess it was all the snakes they could get on short notice?
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