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Samuringa
Mar 27, 2017

Best advice I was ever given?

"Ticker, you'll be a lot happier once you stop caring about the opinions of a culture that is beneath you."

I learned my worth, learned the places and people that matter.

Opened my eyes.

Gavok posted:

From Absolute Carnage #1.

Carnage is going after everyone who has ever worn a symbiote, feasting on them in a weird sci-fi way and becoming stronger with each victim. Eddie Brock finds Spider-Man and they assess the situation. During the conversation, Spider-Man asks about Dylan, a boy accompanying Eddie. Dylan thinks that he's Eddie's brother, but Eddie's hiding the truth that he's Dylan's father. Suddenly, Eddie's distracted by the news.







:smith:


That's some next-level fridging.

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Malachite_Dragon
Mar 31, 2010

Weaving Merry Christmas magic
That's gonna depopulate a not-insignificant fraction of the Marvel Universe, yeah.

Who's Annie?

hiddenriverninja
May 10, 2013

life is locomotion
keep moving
trust that you'll find your way

Malachite_Dragon posted:

That's gonna depopulate a not-insignificant fraction of the Marvel Universe, yeah.

Who's Annie?

Probably Anne Weying, who was She-venom before.

Air Skwirl
May 13, 2007

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.
Thunderbolt Ross was the first Red Hulk, right? He'll get better.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


I'm usually not a fan of storylines where they kill old forgotten side characters to raise the stakes but honestly there are way too many symbiote people running around.

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

Lurdiak posted:

I'm usually not a fan of storylines where they kill old forgotten side characters to raise the stakes but honestly there are way too many symbiote people running around.

yea it's a cliche and kinda boring 'oh poo poo things are REAL now' plot idea but, well

drrockso20
May 6, 2013

Has Not Actually Done Cocaine

Lurdiak posted:

I'm usually not a fan of storylines where they kill old forgotten side characters to raise the stakes but honestly there are way too many symbiote people running around.

So far the casualty list has been pretty mild actually in terms of named characters, off the top of my head pretty much just that rear end in a top hat who briefly had the Venom suit before Eddie got it back at the start of Cates' run, and that dog that had all the Hybrid symbiotes from that Deadool story from a couple years ago

Infinitum
Jul 30, 2004


Lurdiak posted:

I'm usually not a fan of storylines where they kill old forgotten side characters to raise the stakes but honestly there are way too many symbiote people running around.

I mean if you've got enough symbiote people to fill a mass grave, then maybe that's too many symbiote people.

drrockso20
May 6, 2013

Has Not Actually Done Cocaine

Infinitum posted:

I mean if you've got enough symbiote people to fill a mass grave, then maybe that's too many symbiote people.

To be fair most of those people have been dead for years, Ross was probably the most recent one and even that was a while ago

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

I thought Thunderbolt Ross's grave was empty because of the Immortal Hulk plotline

Infinitum
Jul 30, 2004


It was clearly his Dead Model Decoy

good day for a bris
Feb 4, 2006

No, I don't want to play "Conversation Parade".

ImpAtom posted:

I thought Thunderbolt Ross's grave was empty because of the Immortal Hulk plotline

I’m pretty sure there’s a tie in issue so it’s likely both.

drrockso20
May 6, 2013

Has Not Actually Done Cocaine

ImpAtom posted:

I thought Thunderbolt Ross's grave was empty because of the Immortal Hulk plotline

Nope he hasn't resurrected yet unlike many of the other Gamma characters, Ewing is probably saving that for later on in Immortal Hulk

Infinitum
Jul 30, 2004


The best thing about those panels is that the guy mentions Comic Con, which means Comic Con exists in universe, which means some nerd has probably made a slutty version of basically something they really shouldn't have made a slutty version of.

Most likely a villain.

I've decided it would be slutty Norman Osborn.

Push El Burrito
May 9, 2006

Soiled Meat
Sexy Jonah Jameson

TwoPair
Mar 28, 2010

Pandamn It Feels Good To Be A Gangsta
Grimey Drawer
Unstoppable Wasp #5: Okay this is gonna require a lot of set up but bear with me: Nadia Van Dyne is having a hard time. Her lab got attacked by AIM and her friends got injured and sent to the hospital, which sent her into a manic episode where she was trying to "fix everything", which resulted in her kicking her own friends' fresh-out-of-the-hospital asses when they tried to stop her and calm her down. Then she retreats into a lab she made inside a little crystal pendant where time moves slower (comics everybody!) and everyone bails because they can't follow her anyway. Everyone except her friend Priya, who finds and steals Janet Van Dyne's original Wasp costume so she can shrink and follow Nadia.











*snip a few pages, Nadia and Priya get out of the crystal, land in a heap on the floor in time for Janet and Mockingbird to show up*




drrockso20
May 6, 2013

Has Not Actually Done Cocaine
It'll definitely be interesting to see where things go with Nadia, especially since they're ramping up the Pymtron* stuff over in Iron Man right now

*actually come to think of it, does he even know she exists, as far as I can tell it hasn't cropped up yet(and they've kinda tip-toed around it on Nadia's side of things too from what little I've readl)

Air Skwirl
May 13, 2007

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.

drrockso20 posted:

It'll definitely be interesting to see where things go with Nadia, especially since they're ramping up the Pymtron* stuff over in Iron Man right now

*actually come to think of it, does he even know she exists, as far as I can tell it hasn't cropped up yet(and they've kinda tip-toed around it on Nadia's side of things too from what little I've readl)

He was dead when everyone else found out she existed. I'm not sure what's happening in Iron Man (because Dan Slott), but assuming people aren't sure if it's really Pym or Ultron I can understand why no one would mention her.

TwoPair
Mar 28, 2010

Pandamn It Feels Good To Be A Gangsta
Grimey Drawer
she knows he exists (or, I guess I should say that she knows he's currently Ultron's fleshsuit) but afaik, he doesn't know her. But Hank is for all intents and purposes dead and since he's both problematic and not Michael Douglas to match the MCU, I'm not sure he'll be back for a while.

Air Skwirl
May 13, 2007

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.
Honestly, if they'd done something like those pages from Unstoppable Wasp, and then just moved on from there they could have actually redeemed him.

Gavok
Oct 10, 2005

Brock! Oh, man, I'm sorry about your...

...tooth?


hiddenriverninja posted:

Probably Anne Weying, who was She-venom before.

Yup. More importantly, she's Dylan's mother and his, "Who is that?" reaction followed by that panel of Spider-Man silently staring is kind of heartbreaking.

Samuringa posted:

That's some next-level fridging.

Funny thing is, I have a feeling this storyline might just resurrect her. Kind of like how they're using this story to fix Norman Osborn from the end of Slott's ASM run.

It's weird that the Venom and Deadpool movies use love interests who have been dead for nearly 20 years in the comics. I think I've seen Deadpool reference Vanessa an entire one time since his first movie came out.

site
Apr 6, 2007

Trans pride, Worldwide
Bitch

drrockso20 posted:

It'll definitely be interesting to see where things go with Nadia, especially since they're ramping up the Pymtron* stuff over in Iron Man right now

*actually come to think of it, does he even know she exists, as far as I can tell it hasn't cropped up yet(and they've kinda tip-toed around it on Nadia's side of things too from what little I've readl)

I wouldn't say it became a big thing in wasp, but Nadia discovered that ultron took over hanks body and the second volume literally ends with her saying she wants to try and find ultron-Hank to try and recover him

Two weeks later he shows up in iron man.

I don't want Dan slott anywhere near Nadia

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


Gavok posted:

It's weird that the Venom and Deadpool movies use love interests who have been dead for nearly 20 years in the comics. I think I've seen Deadpool reference Vanessa an entire one time since his first movie came out.

She was in a really, really awful backup story in his wedding issue where she'd secretly been alive the whole time and stalking him and having sex with him as random shapeshifted hookups. Apparently they thought it'd read as sweet and not deeply hosed up.

As for Venom, well, what else can you do with the guy but go back to the beginning? They kept trying to sweep him under the rug and replace him and reinvent him, it doesn't leave a lot of room for a supporting cast.

Gavok
Oct 10, 2005

Brock! Oh, man, I'm sorry about your...

...tooth?


Lurdiak posted:

She was in a really, really awful backup story in his wedding issue where she'd secretly been alive the whole time and stalking him and having sex with him as random shapeshifted hookups. Apparently they thought it'd read as sweet and not deeply hosed up.

That's a misread (and to be fair, her Wikipedia misreads it too). The flashbacks showing her in that issue took place before her death. It's just confusing because they show the ending of the first Deadpool miniseries where Copycat is mortally wounded, but Deadpool saves her by having her copy his powers. Visually, it looks a lot like when Sabretooth killed her, so people get mistaken. One flashback is about Deadpool obsessing with her after that miniseries, only to reveal that Copycat is watching over him, which is actually kind of sweet, since that miniseries ending was the first non-retcon instance of Deadpool being selfless.

The second flashback is about Copycat taking the form of a love interest that Deadpool (rightfully) killed during a lousy story arc. It fit with the timing, as Copycat was a bit deranged and obsessed at the time and kept hitting on Deadpool in the form of different women. In the original story, Deadpool flat out told her that he knew all those women were really her and they went back to dating until the writer was leaving the book and had to put all the toys back in the chest. Then, of course, Frank Tieri took over immediately after and brought Copycat back into the book for the sake of killing her in a scenario where Deadpool wasn't even allowed to get his revenge.

Since the movie, the only mention of her I've seen is the story where Deadpool believed Sabretooth killed his parents. When he realized Sabretooth didn't, he was all, "Yeah, but you did kill Vanessa and I should probably do something about that."

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As for Venom, well, what else can you do with the guy but go back to the beginning? They kept trying to sweep him under the rug and replace him and reinvent him, it doesn't leave a lot of room for a supporting cast.

It really is nice that Marvel has finally seemed to settle on anti-hero Venom after all this time. They spent so many years trying to shoehorn both Venom as a villain and Eddie Brock as sympathetic lug and threw so many ideas at the wall, only to decide that Venom as Spider-Man's Vegeta has more potential and nostalgia going for it than "YOU RUINED OUR LIVES, PARKER!!" The movie's success only solidified it.

The interplay between Spider-Man and Venom in that Absolute Carnage issue is great because you understand that the two loving hate each other and also hate accepting that they sort of respect one another.

drrockso20
May 6, 2013

Has Not Actually Done Cocaine
Honestly I read it more as they used to really hate each other and while that's mostly died down there's still a lot of really awkward tension between them, not to mention that Peter just really hates Symbiote shenanigans in general cause it almost always ends up involving him(and he probably still has a guilt complex about it technically being his fault that any of it is happening at all)

TwoPair
Mar 28, 2010

Pandamn It Feels Good To Be A Gangsta
Grimey Drawer

Skwirl posted:

Honestly, if they'd done something like those pages from Unstoppable Wasp, and then just moved on from there they could have actually redeemed him.

Wasp is honestly a better Hank Pym redemption story than the dozens of other ones writers have tried and Hank's not in a single panel.

Onmi
Jul 12, 2013

If someone says it one more time I'm having Florina show up as a corpse. I'm not even kidding, I was pissed off with people doing that shit back in 2010, and I'm not dealing with it now in 2016.
You know why every Hank Pym redemption story fails? Because people made a big deal about and are trying to redeem him for something almost every hero has done. Peter Parker doesn't need a redemption arc for the times he hit Mary Jane. Why? Because no one focuses on the times it happened and bog the character down. Hank's not special, the only special thing is how people refuse to drop it, and even if one writer does a 'redemption' the next writer will reset the button and it's back to loving basics.

Infinitum
Jul 30, 2004


Onmi posted:

You know why every Hank Pym redemption story fails? Because people made a big deal about and are trying to redeem him for something almost every hero has done. Peter Parker doesn't need a redemption arc for the times he hit Mary Jane. Why? Because no one focuses on the times it happened and bog the character down. Hank's not special, the only special thing is how people refuse to drop it, and even if one writer does a 'redemption' the next writer will reset the button and it's back to loving basics.

Why does he keep hitting Janet though every time the reset button is hit? You'd have thought she'd learn after the first time :thunk:

Rev. Bleech_
Oct 19, 2004

~OKAY, WE'LL DRINK TO OUR LEGS!~

Infinitum posted:

I've decided it would be slutty Norman Osborn.

:thunk:

Cabbit
Jul 19, 2001

Is that everything you have?

Infinitum posted:

The best thing about those panels is that the guy mentions Comic Con, which means Comic Con exists in universe, which means some nerd has probably made a slutty version of basically something they really shouldn't have made a slutty version of.

Most likely a villain.

I've decided it would be slutty Norman Osborn.

Norman Osporn. C'mon, it's right there.

How Wonderful!
Jul 18, 2006


I only have excellent ideas

Infinitum posted:

Why does he keep hitting Janet though every time the reset button is hit? You'd have thought she'd learn after the first time :thunk:

Has he? Outside of alternate realities and other versions of the character, I can't think of any examples other than #213 in 1981, with the additional caveat that for good swathes of the last 20+ years of comics they were either both dead, or individually dead, or a skrull, or a robot, or trapped in another dimension.

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




bobkatt013 posted:

To be fair one major western is a samurai with guns.

Two

A Fistful of Dollars is a remake of Yojimbo.
The Magnificent Seven is, of course, Seven Samurai.

e. Forgot how far behind I was.

girl dick energy
Sep 30, 2009

You think you have the wherewithal to figure out my puzzle vagina?

Onmi posted:

You know why every Hank Pym redemption story fails? Because people made a big deal about and are trying to redeem him for something almost every hero has done. Peter Parker doesn't need a redemption arc for the times he hit Mary Jane. Why? Because no one focuses on the times it happened and bog the character down. Hank's not special, the only special thing is how people refuse to drop it, and even if one writer does a 'redemption' the next writer will reset the button and it's back to loving basics.
This is a good point made in the worst way by the worst person who could make it.

TwoPair
Mar 28, 2010

Pandamn It Feels Good To Be A Gangsta
Grimey Drawer
Guardians of the Galaxy #8 is an issue focused on Rocket Raccoon and honestly I could probably post pretty much the whole thing here but I'll stick to the back half. For the whole run, the original Guardians (by which I mean the movie Guardians :v:) have been separated and no one has said much about Rocket. But recently everyone has been captured and brainwashed except for Groot and Moondragon and they need all the help they can get to lead a rescue mission so they need to find him. And it turns out the reason no one's talked much about him is because Rocket's dying and now explaining why he left.



(oh and Groot can talk normal now except for first-person pronouns)







Cabbit
Jul 19, 2001

Is that everything you have?

I'm digging the wood mohawk.

hiddenriverninja
May 10, 2013

life is locomotion
keep moving
trust that you'll find your way

well drat.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!
I'm really pleased they've walked back the I AM GROOT poo poo being all he could say.

Air Skwirl
May 13, 2007

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.

Would.

Air Skwirl
May 13, 2007

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.

mllaneza posted:

Two

A Fistful of Dollars is a remake of Yojimbo.
The Magnificent Seven is, of course, Seven Samurai.

e. Forgot how far behind I was.

Yojimbo is based on Red Harvest, an American pulp novel from the 30s about a hard boiled detective.

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How Wonderful!
Jul 18, 2006


I only have excellent ideas

I'm curious what about this screams "slutty" to you?

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