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Veskit posted:I mean they do have paid researchers and they do cite everything soooooo....??? Seems like pretty old news no, they dont have on mic citations, so its not legitimate citation. u dont know ANYTHING about proper MLA formatting for podcasts
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The complaint this time seems less like a direct accusation of plagiarism and more "sure I was cited but in the least respectful way possible." The Dollop is in a weird space between the comedy and history worlds at this point and the latter is way more rigid about how citations and transformative use works than the former, although the method of dealing with it being "yell at them in public until everyone boos them enough for them to stop" seems the same. Reading back on this thread the last time this came up (2015 was 4 years ago what is time) I thought what they're doing now would be sufficient. Now that I see how other podcasts handle the same kind of lane, it does come off as the bare minimum. I don't know that it's outright malicious though, and as I guessed last time Dave will probably make a stink and then come around to whatever makes sense, at least for single article Dollops like this one.
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Aug 26, 2019 05:07
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Hey everyone, before we start this story, let me go into everyone I should thank for their hard research, at the top of the podcast, whilst trying not to spoil the story here we go:code:
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Aug 26, 2019 05:11
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It's more lazy than anything. I mean Gary doesn't even do any prep work at all! 
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Aug 26, 2019 05:12
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Veskit posted:Hey everyone, before we start this story, let me go into everyone I should thank for their hard research, at the top of the podcast, whilst trying not to spoil the story here we go: lol that's a lot of bullshit with a few actual primary sources. I don't see the problem.
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Aug 26, 2019 05:13
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Well for the one that the complaint was about, The Welfare Queen, there were 3 sources. https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/09/welfare-queen-myth/501470/ http://www.slate.com/articles/podcasts/gabfest/2013/12/the_gabfest_on_judge_richard_leon_s_nsa_ruling_ruth_bader_ginsburg_s_refusal.html http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...an_villain.html And yeah, that's 2 mostly fluff and one that was the clear meat. So, in that case, they could just point out that it's a cool article. Although, yes I got it mixed up too. I thought that episode was out like a year ago and cribbed off of the book, but it's a few years older. Times flies and has lost all meaning, etc.. So the guy's complaint is specifically that they made a popular episode a while back that heavily cribbed off an article that he later turned into a book, and they got a lot of credit and money and he didn't. Which seems to be more a general failing of the world than The Dollop.
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Aug 26, 2019 05:28
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Well the result is that I guess they're going to be a bit more formal about mentioning the sources and everyone moves on. Maybe.
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Aug 26, 2019 05:39
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the problem isn't that he isn't footnoting you slobs it's that he's word for word taking other people's work and referencing that in a way that very few of his listeners will care about or appreciate (compared to say, the 5-7 minutes of paid ads he runs every ep, or the live crowds he performs in front of) how ethical or moral this practice is shouldn't be bounded by "is he technically copyright infringing?"
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Aug 26, 2019 07:18
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he couldn't possibly reference his sources. that'd be boring and alienating for the audience!! *spends 10 minutes of every ep hawking casper mattresses and gary's coming tour dates*
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Aug 26, 2019 07:19
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lol nobody understands fair use and using copyright law to stifle free speech is evil, unless of course you are plagiarizing one of us that's just the worst
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Aug 26, 2019 07:24
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im pretty sure i remember hearing mentions of books or articles that were actually used as effectively the entire ep before. otoh i dont really care if more poo poo gets added to the beginning tbh bc i assume everyone skips that poo poo. i know i do.
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Aug 26, 2019 07:34
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Split the difference, "citations and affiate links for the books worth maybe buying on the website. Because gently caress giving royalties to Donald Trump, (random person), or my dad". He can still be angry and capresious and skip saying all the references, but he also throws a bit of coin the authors way. This won't be fully satisfying to anyone, which is why I think Dave could live with it.
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Aug 26, 2019 07:49
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i think it makes more sense for nothing to change because nobody cares and it doesnt matter
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Aug 26, 2019 12:41
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sexpig by night posted:Plus when Last Podcast plugs a book it almost always comes with wonderful stories of Henry harassing his wife with things he read from it or how his crazy brain is creating brand new anxieties from it and all. Plug the book or article, it's easy to even turn it into content sometimes, it's literally win-win. also alot of the books are very good. harold schecters books are amazing as are jeff guins even if he is a little dry for my taste. terrorist ambulance posted:he couldn't possibly reference his sources. that'd be boring and alienating for the audience!! i feel like he should at least put them on the website under the episode. thats what behind the bastards does.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:i feel like he should at least put them on the website under the episode. thats what behind the bastards does. yeah i figured they'd do this. also i love the i gotta do a lotta research excuse. they make good money don't they? if i had a job that was talking to my friend for an hour doing actual research isn't really that big of an ask.
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Aug 27, 2019 13:26
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I just got a notification there was a new episode, but it went back to Episode 4 - Ghosts. Did this happen to anyone else?
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Aug 27, 2019 19:15
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Yeah, Overcast just loaded that one up as a new episode.
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Aug 27, 2019 19:20
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Been waiting for the next one to drop on spotify.. is there a better place to look?
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Dapper_Swindler posted:also alot of the books are very good. harold schecters books are amazing as are jeff guins even if he is a little dry for my taste. http://the-dollop-sources.squarespace.com
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Aug 27, 2019 19:35
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I feel like that ends that discussion
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Aug 27, 2019 19:38
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the sources website they discuss when plugging squarespace ads isnt actually a joke The libsyn description for an episode has a link to the sources for like every episode, and every other feed basically clones that or strips out links
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Aug 27, 2019 19:44
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Maybe they're taking the week off.
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Aug 27, 2019 19:50
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Yeah, they're probably off for labor day. Wouldn't surprise me if Dave didn't mention it anywhere. I do have England episodes to listen to. That I probably would have listened to already if they were just put on the main feed, which I feel like they've done before, like with the Iceland or Australia ones maybe?
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Aug 27, 2019 21:47
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it's weird and passive aggressive that it's still a separate website, that is only sporadically mentioned
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Aug 27, 2019 23:42
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I still think that it's funny that that site is supposed to be positive advertising for SquareSpace. An old-school blog would probably look better.
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Aug 28, 2019 00:22
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it is rarely mentioned on the podcast, versus the description that no one sees unless they look. what's your point?
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Aug 28, 2019 00:28
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Slanderer posted:it is rarely mentioned on the podcast, versus the description that no one sees unless they look. what's your point? whats YOUR point? they have sources for every episode, are u mad they dont spend an additional ten minutes at the top listing news articles and books? why dont u send an email to dave anthony about it?
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Aug 28, 2019 00:39
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Slanderer posted:it is rarely mentioned on the podcast, versus the description that no one sees unless they look. what's your point? you don't see anything unless you look
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Nobody is saying that the entire concept of the Dollop is morally indefensible. The Soylent episode having a ton of sources is a good thing. But if they're going to base an episode almost entirely around a single source--like the welfare queen one, and I assume others like the hippo one--the absolute least they could do is give credit to that source specifically. It would add an extra 15 seconds or so to a podcast that regularly doesn't get started until minute 12.
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Rochallor posted:Nobody is saying that the entire concept of the Dollop is morally indefensible. The Soylent episode having a ton of sources is a good thing. But if they're going to base an episode almost entirely around a single source--like the welfare queen one, and I assume others like the hippo one--the absolute least they could do is give credit to that source specifically. It would add an extra 15 seconds or so to a podcast that regularly doesn't get started until minute 12. the welfare queen and hippo episodes are both over two years old?????
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Aug 28, 2019 01:29
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They commonly say "GO READ THIS BOOK" during the podcast
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Aug 28, 2019 01:52
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That's honestly why I called for the shoutout compromise that will make nobody happy. A one sentence "Go here, buy the books from the affiliate links, and jeffry dalhmer can rot in hell" sorta deal at the start of the show. He wouldnt even have to list the books, just that its on the website and that there are links to buy the book.
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scary ghost dog posted:whats YOUR point? they have sources for every episode, are u mad they dont spend an additional ten minutes at the top listing news articles and books? why dont u send an email to dave anthony about it? Maybe dave anthony should spend less time traumatizing his son and more time redistributing the value of the labor he stole 
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Slanderer posted:Maybe dave anthony should spend less time traumatizing his son and more time redistributing the value of the labor he stole die
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Aug 28, 2019 03:18
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Slanderer posted:traumatizing his son Lol what
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Aug 28, 2019 03:34
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Dang It Bhabhi! posted:Lol what His son has night terrors because Dave keeps telling him that he’ll die from global warming before he grows up.
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Aug 28, 2019 05:00
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oh boy we are at the part where lonely people get weirdly personal about their least/most favorite podcasters
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Aug 28, 2019 05:08
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Paul Bunyon was bad, but it's not child abuse levels of bad!
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Slanderer posted:His son has night terrors because Dave keeps telling him that he’ll die from global warming before he grows up. Well he’s right
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