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ace of baes has always been a class reductionist, but I gotta say that “the rich are all rapist pedophile cannibals” is a marked improvement from getting mad at blue haired non-binary people like he used to
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Woozy posted:that doesn't make any sense though it actually makes perfect sense, being rich literally makes your brain sick, very rarely people don't have it happen but the vast majority turn into literal sadistic sociopaths, much like the guards in the Stanford prison experiement turned into an psychos super quickly in a fake jail in a school with no actual real power Ace of Baes has issued a correction as of 02:23 on Aug 28, 2019 |
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Rated PG-34 posted:I thought they debunked the Stanford prison experiment it was an unethical experiment and the data was deemed useless because the observers/scientist interfered, but what happened was very well recorded and you can read all about it as a bunch of ppl have written about it, there's also a few movies about it
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Dr. Killjoy posted:ace of baes has always been a class reductionist, but I gotta say that “the rich are all rapist pedophile cannibals” is a marked improvement from getting mad at blue haired non-binary people like he used to Knives out... another fave implicated. this time its especially personal
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Stanford prison experiment terminated prematurely after one of the mock guards bonked a mock prisoner with a foam baton, shattering their skull and pulping their brain
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Ace of Baes posted:it was an unethical experiment and the data was deemed useless because the observers/scientist interfered, but what happened was very well recorded and you can read all about it as a bunch of ppl have written about it, there's also a few movies about it the initial study was flawed but replications and similar experiments largely matched the findings also real life prisons Calibanibal posted:Knives out... another fave implicated. this time its especially personal buddy you try sharing a podcast thread with AoB and then have dickeye mixed in for good measure bad forums time Dr. Killjoy has issued a correction as of 02:45 on Aug 28, 2019 |
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even granting, insanely, that its a totally valid experiment that tells us something true about human nature, the only thing it does actually purport to tell us is that people go to great lengths to acquiesce to authority figures--a problem the rich obviously do not have.
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Woozy posted:even granting, insanely, that its a totally valid experiment that tells us something true about human nature, the only thing it does actually purport to tell us is that people go to great lengths to acquiesce to authority figures--a problem the rich obviously do not have. Sure you're not mixing it up with the Milgram electroshock experiment?
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StashAugustine posted:Sure you're not mixing it up with the Milgram electroshock experiment? they are, the prisoners in Stanford actively rebelled/protested
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Calibanibal posted:Stanford prison experiment terminated prematurely after one of the mock guards bonked a mock prisoner with a foam baton, shattering their skull and pulping their brain Ah drat, if only they had more supervision and mental health training to recognize the prisoner was suicidal.
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StashAugustine posted:Sure you're not mixing it up with the Milgram electroshock experiment? both experiments investigate the same thing, which has nothing at all to do with the completely beyond batshit idea that wealth induces psycopathy, or at least moreso than just poverty--a way, way better predictor of every kind of violence remotely comparable to epsteins crimes
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Woozy posted:both experiments investigate the same thing, which has nothing at all to do with the completely beyond batshit idea that wealth induces psycopathy, or at least moreso than just poverty--a way, way better predictor of every kind of violence remotely comparable to epsteins crimes yikes
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It's actually a little creepy how hard information about the Franklin scandal is to gather through Google.
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Perry Mason Jar posted:The relevant quantum theory is Loop Quantum Gravity. Parallel dimensions are not a consequence of LQG though I believe they exist in a weak form. Imagine the universe as a single probability field (quantized spacetime) in which the "trajectory" of your personal probabilities determine the universe you experience; i.e., you will always experience a consistent universe but anything outside the scope of your own probability "trajectory" (deviations from probability as determined by free will) cannot be readily observed. In this way reality is also functionally a consensus reality where all determined things are only set as a conjunction of probability (from our collective probability trajectory); i.e., what is most probable for you is in all likelihood most probable for me as well, and we will experience reality in the same way. so you're saying aliens have an improbability drive from hitchhiker's guide?
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No, I think UFOs are human aircraft from parallel dimensions (wherever (if ever) they're not human aircraft from this dimension).
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Calibanibal posted:Stanford prison experiment terminated prematurely after one of the mock guards bonked a mock prisoner with a foam baton, shattering their skull and pulping their brain that subject was richard ngo, andy's father
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Woozy posted:both experiments investigate the same thing, which has nothing at all to do with the completely beyond batshit idea that wealth induces psycopathy, or at least moreso than just poverty--a way, way better predictor of every kind of violence remotely comparable to epsteins crimes lmao literally the same logic people use to argue that black people are more violent Wealthy people just have their particular type of evil normalized or ignored by law enforcement.
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I do wonder how perverted the inner-narrative gets for an extremely rich or powerful person. I mean, just common self-centeredness tends to also get pretty superstitious on an ontological level (God hates/loves me, the universe is against me, etc). Like, the story of who you are, your relationship to the world around you, and the meaning you build from your experiences would seemingly get pretty deformed if all evidence points to the universe/deity favoring you over everyone else. In this case, the actual worship of Moloch or whatever seems like a pretty sensical end point for that type of thinking. The rich have far less reason to doubt their inner narcissist. To most of us it's pretty drat clear that we aren't the center of the universe of the apple of some God's eye. To a rich person I can imagine their seemingly natural specialness would be a seduction hard to resist. That also would explain why they're all such gigantic babies.
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I think the real problem with being rich is that once you have all of your urges catered to then ennui sets in, and you have to seek out more transgressive experiences just to maintain the thrill of living. For most rich people that just means having a few mistresses or big game hunting a polar bear staked down to a zoo exhibit, but it takes a particular network and ideology to really get into kid loving. Again, I don't think the involvement of old world aristocracy in the Epstein ring is a trivial matter of rich people doing rich people things. It's a cultural institution.
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Ytlaya posted:lmao literally the same logic people use to argue that black people are more violent its exactly the opposite logic. its your logic, i.e., that circumstances have something to do with outcomes
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I think the real problem with being rich is that once you have all of your urges catered to then ennui sets in, and you have to seek out more transgressive experiences just to maintain the thrill of living. For most rich people that just means having a few mistresses or big game hunting a polar bear staked down to a zoo exhibit, but it takes a particular network and ideology to really get into kid loving. Again, I don't think the involvement of old world aristocracy in the Epstein ring is a trivial matter of rich people doing rich people things. It's a cultural institution. Salo was a documentary.
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Lil Mama Im Sorry posted:I do wonder how perverted the inner-narrative gets for an extremely rich or powerful person. I mean, just common self-centeredness tends to also get pretty superstitious on an ontological level (God hates/loves me, the universe is against me, etc). Like, the story of who you are, your relationship to the world around you, and the meaning you build from your experiences would seemingly get pretty deformed if all evidence points to the universe/deity favoring you over everyone else.  This is based on Georges Bataille's actually existing secret society, the Acéphale quote:Because of its very nature, it is difficult to describe the society's acts. Bataille referred several times to Marcel Mauss who had studied secret societies in Africa, describing them as a "total social phenomenon". On this model, he organized several nocturnal meetings in the woods, near an oak which had been struck by lightning. Members of the Acéphale society were required to adopt several rituals, such as refusing to shake hands with anti-semites and celebrating the decapitation of Louis XVI, an event which prefigured the "chiefless crowd" targeted by "acéphalité". Members of the society were also invited to meditation, on texts of Nietzsche, Freud, Sade and Mauss read during the assemblies. There was discussion amongst members about the possibility of carrying out a human sacrifice, but these discussions were never put into action
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Lil Mama Im Sorry posted:Salo was a documentary. small brain: Kubrick was killed by the cabal for Eyes Wide Shut big brain: Pasolini was killed by P2 for Salo
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There’s not nearly enough cracking and pinging in whatever the gently caress has been going on over the past six pages of this thread. Legitimate implications of an international sex trafficking ring that may or may not be facilitated directly by intelligence agencies and indirectly by a pliant centrist media landscape are being run roughshod over by UFOs and Bigfoot, for chrissake.
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Woozy posted:both experiments investigate the same thing, which has nothing at all to do with the completely beyond batshit idea that wealth induces psycopathy, or at least moreso than just poverty--a way, way better predictor of every kind of violence remotely comparable to epsteins crimes could you really imagine yourself as a person who can have whatever he wants on a whim while internalizing that almost nobody else has that power? we define ourselves as humans by our limits--the uber rich have none. everyone has appetites that they don't indulge because they can't pay for the consequences. read that last sentence as darkly as you can afford to. poverty is the other side of the coin. you can't escape the knowledge that there is another world adjacent to your world of constant numbing hustle, that other people don't live with the struggles you do, so gently caress it, take that stereo out of that assholes garage, he can replace it nothing matters anyway. mental conditions are deeply affected by your material conditions. affluenza is a real thing.
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perhaps we need a dedicated UFO/Bigfoot/American Mexican Association thread. It’s heartwarming to see so many folks’ ties to the consensus reality of Enlightenment Materialist Rationalism imposed on us by The Conspiracy fraying and the realization that everything is true, but it’s getting in the way of cracking and pinging about the topic at hand.
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pshhh https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3890230
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circumstances having an effect on outcomes is the entire basis of sociology
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Gay Horney posted:could you really imagine yourself as a person who can have whatever he wants on a whim while internalizing that almost nobody else has that power? we define ourselves as humans by our limits--the uber rich have none. everyone has appetites that they don't indulge because they can't pay for the consequences. read that last sentence as darkly as you can afford to. this veers extroardinarily close to protesting too much, which in the pedophile thread is not probably to be unexpected. try to understand that this is the view of an actual rapist/psycopath/whatever: "he has no practical limits to his whims, so it's no surprise he does awful things the rest of us cannot". okay, buffalo bill, if you say so.
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also "affluenza" is not real wtf
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woozy with the doozies
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idk i guess invoking the term coined by the attorney of a rich person just flirts a little too closely with actually defending a rich person but that's just me
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Dr. Killjoy posted:ace of baes has always been a class reductionist, so, correct?
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Woozy posted:this veers extroardinarily close to protesting too much, which in the pedophile thread is not probably to be unexpected. try to understand that this is the view of an actual rapist/psycopath/whatever: "he has no practical limits to his whims, so it's no surprise he does awful things the rest of us cannot". okay, buffalo bill, if you say so. I'm not making excuses for them I'm saying we need to make them less rich! I thought that was clear with the bit about how bad poverty can be. this isn't some hypothetical either. check out programmed to kill. I'm not saying that wealth always leads to mental illness or socially maladaptive behavior (wealth accumulation is socially maladaptive in and of itself) in the same way that not everyone in chernobyl died of radiation poisoning.
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Lil Mama Im Sorry posted:Programmed to Kill is really good but I've also noticed that some of the most terrifying revelations have like no citations and no practical way to follow up on. For some of you who are new to cracking and pinging you need to balance this stuff out with a healthy dose of agnosticism or else you will literally go insane. The more horrifying the material the easier it can be to accept without any verification, especially when there is already so much horrifying and verifiable stuff that's built into Epstein-Brain-Consciousness. They don't sell it for kindle?
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:When you boil it down to the base, Satanism is just a libertarian cult so it has a natural in to rich financing for millionaires and billionaires who want to get their jollies off under the cover of an edgelord religion. When the Thelema is the root of your moral philosophy then child abuse is just another option to indulge in. Other esoteric religions come to similar conclusions albeit in a much more roundabout way, which basically serve as an excuse to allow rich people to indulge in reactionary power fantasies. There's a distinction with Thelema from other esoteric societies that I feel like you're overlooking -- whereas the inner secret of most esoteric societies usually boils down to "nothing is true everything is permitted" -- Thelema as an initiatory system in the structure of the OTO or the AA is a total reversal of that theosophical magic trick. The vulgar and exoteric teaching of Thelema is the Man is God, the individual reigns supreme usual nonsense that's typically the endgoal of traditional enlightenment cults or whatever. The esoteric teaching tends to be moreso like eastern mysticism (zen buddhism, tantra) with like a western gnostic dress. The Satanic aspects of Thelema pretty much just boil down to classic gnosticism, and the whole spiritual process is supposed to culminate with a destruction of the individual ego (crossing the abyss) your usual mystical realization of the unity of all things. This is why Qabala is central to Thelema, because it's the schizophrenic process of connecting all of existence and non-existence together into one consciousness. It's a cataloging system that is intended to eventually break your brain because of how everything begins to "fit'. The final goal of Thelema has always been the stated goal of all religions, which is to connect the individual into a whole and instill humility, love, and service to humanity. Pretty classical morality, the idea is just to get there indirectly and thus avoid the pitfalls of other cults. Hence the motto "The method of science, the aim of religion." This is also why Crowley's real successor, Frater Achad, eventually just abandoned Thelema and became a catholic bishop after completing the initiation system. But, since the vulgar teaching of Thelema is the "Do what thou wilt" commandment and all the connotations that that phrase invokes, it has tended to attract not-so-great people. Mainly a bunchof horny nerds that are looking for a way to feel superior to everyone else and also get laid. Crowley is a dangerous role model for these types since he did feel that "excess" (extreme devotion and practice to anything) lead to wisdom. I also think he got way too much of a kick out of convincing people to eat their own cum because magick. Anyways, my point is just that there's a pretty big misunderstanding about what Thelema/OTO is and I think it can be misleading to think that its an ideology invented to allow unbridled indulgence in the worst aspects of humanity (which is the role of LaVeyan Satanism, imo). Thelema is a red herring within this larger structure of exploitation.
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Dr. Killjoy posted:the initial study was flawed but replications and similar experiments largely matched the findings No they haven't, and no real scientist would attempt to replicate it because the experiment violates ethical standards
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