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BobbyThompson is a low-effort UK troll, please ignore his weird casual chuckle about mass murder.
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Tesseraction posted:BobbyThompson is a low-effort UK troll, please ignore his weird casual chuckle about mass murder. That's me told. Peace comrade.
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Aug 18, 2019 21:14
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BobbyThompson posted:I visited Japan last month and drove to Hiroshima to do the pay my respects thing.
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Aug 18, 2019 21:18
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mystes posted:It's cool how you somehow managed to imply both 1) the use of nuclear weapons against Japan was good and 2) there is no ww2 revisionism in Japan in one post. Actually, I was rather taken aback by how much the place referenced how Japan entered the war in such an ashamed of their actions way. The museum is like WTC in depth of explanation, but doesn't touch on blaming the people who dropped the bomb, just focuses on the horror of it all.
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Aug 18, 2019 21:24
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BobbyThompson posted:Actually, I was rather taken aback by how much the place referenced how Japan entered the war in such an ashamed of their actions way. To put it kindly, it’s a nice exception to the norm in terms of how the war is treated. The longer answer runs the gamut, but at best, the common teaching of WWII looks over how Japan entered the war, those motivations, and actions taken during. At worst, you get right-wingers denying things happened and using the nuclear attacks to say they were the one true victim.
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Aug 18, 2019 23:13
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punk rebel ecks posted:I keep seeing in Japanese media about how the "bubble" period of the 1980s had the average Japanese person live substantially better than they do today. Is that true, or has Japan mostly just stagnated since the '90s rather than decline? Well the "here is our investment guidelines" broken into 10 year chunks over the past 30 years indicates the economy basically imploded and then just kind of flatlined. I can't say if socially or any other metric, but from a pure economic growth standpoint, yes.
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Aug 19, 2019 15:14
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Barudak posted:Well the "here is our investment guidelines" broken into 10 year chunks over the past 30 years indicates the economy basically imploded and then just kind of flatlined. I can't say if socially or any other metric, but from a pure economic growth standpoint, yes. I see. What about quality of life like wages and such? I mean. The American economy has largely grow. Since the eighties, but quality of life has remained stagnant or even has declined.
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Aug 19, 2019 16:47
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prisoner of waffles posted:It's a phenomenon noted by Japanese commentators that major outlets in U.S. media do like to run with articles and narratives that exoticize Japan. The Japanese like to exoticise Japan all the time, so much stuff that is "unique to Japan" that is, at best, merely not common in the USA or whatever single country they are comparing themselves to. punk rebel ecks posted:I see. What about quality of life like wages and such? I mean. The American economy has largely grow. Since the eighties, but quality of life has remained stagnant or even has declined. If you're comparing by age then everyone born post 1969 or so is hosed compared to the equivalent aged person in the 80s, and this has been true for their entire working life. Older people have had a whale of a time though.
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Aug 20, 2019 15:08
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Seems like Gen X got hosed pretty badly, but the Baby Boomers were also politically disenfranchised in Japan for a long time. They got to enjoy the postwar economy but if you compare the first Boomer president in the US was Bill Clinton in 92, in the UK Blair in 97, in Japan the first Boomer PM was our buddy Abe in 2006 and then only for a year before going back to shriveled old men Fukuda and Aso. Japanese politics in the 90s and 00s was pretty much still all guys born well before the war. Ozawa and Koizumi were born in 42, so they sort of half count. Economically speaking though things seem to be better for millenials than Gen X, at least for the ones with regular employment   https://asia.nikkei.com/Economy/Japan-s-optimistic-millennials-shed-frugal-habits-and-lift-spending
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Aug 20, 2019 18:06
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Maybe this is why Japan isn't undergoing as much populism as the West, because things are improving for the youth? What's Japan's secret?
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Aug 20, 2019 18:35
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punk rebel ecks posted:Maybe this is why Japan isn't undergoing as much populism as the West, because things are improving for the youth? That plus the rural middle/petty-capitalist class continuing to be extremely well taken care of by the LDP
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Aug 20, 2019 18:55
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punk rebel ecks posted:Maybe this is why Japan isn't undergoing as much populism as the West, because things are improving for the youth? Can't have populist xenophobia surge if there are no immigrants and your country's already xenophobic in the first place.
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Aug 20, 2019 18:58
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icantfindaname posted:That plus the rural middle/petty-capitalist class continuing to be extremely well taken care of by the LDP How so?
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Aug 20, 2019 19:00
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punk rebel ecks posted:How so? Because the LDP heavily subsidizes farmers, construction contractors, and small shopkeepers. Not as much as 30 years ago, but still more than probably any other first world country Chuka Umana posted:Can't have populist xenophobia surge if there are no immigrants and your country's already xenophobic in the first place. Japan had a populist xenophobia surge 20 years ago though, with people like Ishihara and Koizumi and Abe version 1
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Aug 20, 2019 19:06
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Aren't more immigrants coming to Japan though? I saw a fair share of Nigerians and Indians at my stay in Tokyo.icantfindaname posted:Because the LDP heavily subsidizes farmers, construction contractors, and small shopkeepers. Not as much as 30 years ago, but still more than probably any other first world country I see.
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Aug 20, 2019 19:38
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punk rebel ecks posted:Maybe this is why Japan isn't undergoing as much populism as the West, because things are improving for the youth?
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Aug 20, 2019 20:26
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It also helps that GDP per capita has been increasing during the last two decades, even if overall GDP has not. Such is the magic of a shrinking population.
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Aug 20, 2019 21:54
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Yeah, I didn't want to jump to conclusions, but when I visited Tokyo, it came across that the average Japanese person had a higher quality of life than the average American.
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Aug 20, 2019 22:34
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punk rebel ecks posted:Yeah, I didn't want to jump to conclusions, but when I visited Tokyo, it came across that the average Japanese person had a higher quality of life than the average American. mystes fucked around with this message at 22:43 on Aug 20, 2019 |
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Aug 20, 2019 22:37
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mystes posted:Well, the economy is stagnant and tons of people now have no hope of getting permanent, full time jobs ever, so they're never going to be able to retire, but on the other hand, having a functioning health care system helps a lot. I legit thought you were talking about America until you brought up healthcare.
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Aug 20, 2019 22:42
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punk rebel ecks posted:I legit thought you were talking about America until you brought up healthcare.
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Aug 20, 2019 22:44
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Where is Japanese Bernie?mystes posted:Also, the government is screwing over poor people by raising the consumption tax to pay for entitlements, which is a bit different than US politics, where the Republicans want to cut benefits but also at least pretend to cut taxes. Okay that is crazy stupid.
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Aug 20, 2019 22:55
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punk rebel ecks posted:Aren't more immigrants coming to Japan though? I saw a fair share of Nigerians and Indians at my stay in Tokyo. Roughly 4% of the population living in Japan is foreign-born, and at least half of that are from other parts of Asia. Tokyo skews that because it's Tokyo.
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Aug 20, 2019 23:43
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harperdc posted:Roughly 4% of the population living in Japan is foreign-born, and at least half of that are from other parts of Asia. Tokyo skews that because it's Tokyo. Does that number include internationally born Japanese?
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Aug 21, 2019 00:01
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ocrumsprug posted:Does that number include internationally born Japanese? The number is likely a pure nationality stat with an exception for _special_ permanent residents, so an internationally born Japanese would be counted as Japanese and not "foreign-born".
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Aug 21, 2019 02:51
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Welp
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Aug 22, 2019 11:29
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Yeah, this dumbass tax thing first came to my attention when a family member told me about higher regressive taxes in Japan and how some guy was mentioned in some article they’d read as an American expert on opposing such taxes. Arthur Laffer 
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Aug 22, 2019 19:08
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punk rebel ecks posted:Where is Japanese Bernie?  except you suck through your teeth until your lungs explode and you die.
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Aug 24, 2019 00:49
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:It's like "how will you pay for that" I think it's possible that a "screw Abe, let's stop worrying about the debt" platform would work because people are tired of regressive taxes and austerity.
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Aug 24, 2019 01:01
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Abe’s been on a what? 5 year game of chicken? Of raising the sales tax to 10%?
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Aug 24, 2019 01:10
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:It's like "how will you pay for that" Japan sounds worse than America in regards to this.
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Aug 24, 2019 01:11
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harperdc posted:To put it kindly, it’s a nice exception to the norm in terms of how the war is treated. I thought it was very interesting that Radhabinod Pal's dissent (basically that the A-level war crimes defendants were just "playing the imperialism game" / that punishing them was victor's justice and could not be justified by a legal principle, IIUC) apparently has made him very popular with right wingers in Japan but, in retrospect, it's unsurprising. ookiimarukochan posted:The Japanese like to exoticise Japan all the time, so much stuff that is "unique to Japan" that is, at best, merely not common in the USA or whatever single country they are comparing themselves to. Also entirely true.
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Aug 28, 2019 19:56
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The one thing I like about USA and Western Europe is that they are so much more readily to admit their war crimes, at least relatively to other countries.
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Aug 28, 2019 21:16
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Aug 28, 2019 21:27
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punk rebel ecks posted:The one thing I like about USA and Western Europe is that they are so much more readily to admit their war crimes, at least relatively to other countries.
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Aug 28, 2019 22:13
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prisoner of waffles posted:I thought it was very interesting that Radhabinod Pal's dissent (basically that the A-level war crimes defendants were just "playing the imperialism game" / that punishing them was victor's justice and could not be justified by a legal principle, IIUC) apparently has made him very popular with right wingers in Japan but, in retrospect, it's unsurprising. I haven’t been in a while so I’m not sure if it’s still there but at Yasukuni Shrine there’s a little kiosk board where you can get a free copy of Pal’s dissent. Yasukuni is a pretty beautiful place. Too bad it’s wacko central.
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Aug 28, 2019 22:13
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punk rebel ecks posted:The one thing I like about USA and Western Europe is that they are so much more readily to admit their war crimes, at least relatively to other countries. Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh that’s a big old nope there chief.
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Aug 28, 2019 23:11
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harperdc posted:Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh that’s a big old nope there chief. Germany is basically the only country that really faces its past crimes well. Japan is middle of the road in that regard, worse about it than Germany but better about it than Turkey.
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Aug 29, 2019 00:52
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punk rebel ecks posted:The one thing I like about USA and Western Europe is that they are so much more readily to admit their war crimes, at least relatively to other countries. There's more than one kind of person in these countries and plenty of them refuse to countenance the idea that anyone from their country could have ever done a war crime (or maybe they did but "it was justified for *X reason that is not materially different from racism*") Chomsky will not just admit but argue that the US does war crimes but he's not representative of people who hold power Or is this 
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prisoner of waffles posted:There's more than one kind of person in these countries and plenty of them refuse to countenance the idea that anyone from their country could have ever done a war crime (or maybe they did but "it was justified for *X reason that is not materially different from racism*") IIRC doesn't a majority of the Japanese public and government severely downplay or not even acknowledge their war crimes during WWII?
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