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Flopsy
Mar 4, 2013

Zuzie posted:

That's maybe because an equivalent of the two concepts already exist. It's called Digimon.

Not to mention that Pokemon Amie/Refresh/whatever Gen 8's equivalent s called already fulfills that niche while also not including the more annoying aspects of virtual pets, such as needing to keep an eye on it or it gets hungry, or dies in its own virtual poop.


I could never stand to get a tamagotchi. Virtual anxiety simulators is what those were.

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DeafNote
Jun 4, 2014

Only Happy When It Rains
I guess I should be glad I cant even buy this game in my country.

Craptacular!
Jul 9, 2001

Fuck the DH
Pokémon tried the walking thing with the Pikachu pedometer device that I owned twenty years ago.

CROWS EVERYWHERE
Dec 17, 2012

CAW CAW CAW

Dinosaur Gum
Blue's Champion theme from R/B still gives me chills. The Mystery Dungeon games have some great music. I can't recall much from the main games after G2.

AngryRobotsInc
Aug 2, 2011

On the Pokemon music note, I really dug what they did with the critical health beep in Black/White, and they need to do more of that in the future.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLVr0VfeLmk

And the gym leader's last pokemon theme made me way happier than it probably should have.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9PsOUyH2fs

TheKingofSprings
Oct 9, 2012

CROWS EVERYWHERE posted:

Blue's Champion theme from R/B still gives me chills. The Mystery Dungeon games have some great music. I can't recall much from the main games after G2.

Every time they mess with the pitch or tempo of the champion theme I get mad

Abundant Atrophy
Nov 3, 2012
No Pokemon route track has ever eclipsed RS's 113. Even the remake couldn't improve it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfARFF9S5Jg


MikeJF posted:

It just seems so... obvious?

I thought the same about a Tiny Chao Garden Mobile port, but I guess Obvious and Highly Profitable aren't enough sometimes.

SpaceCadetBob
Dec 27, 2012
Not really finding much compelling gameplay with masters so far.

Oh Snapple!
Dec 27, 2005

Even sped up it's just. So. Slow.

Tenebrais
Sep 2, 2011

SpaceCadetBob posted:

Not really finding much compelling gameplay with masters so far.

I like the concept of collecting the characters rather than mons (and liked the World Tournament in gen 5 for the same reason, it tickles some deep primitive part of my brain that wants to put all the different action figures in the same playset). There's a pretty impressive amount of writing to carry this idea and I could even believe some of the people involved in the writing actually cared, for all that it's not deep or serious at all. It could have got away with having the familiar characters not comment on anything and driving the plot with bland OC's, and I'll credit it not doing that.
Unfortunately the gameplay seems designed exclusively to get you pulling the gatcha and nothing else. It doesn't even try to support a general population of regular uses for the whales to show off to, if you're not spending money on powering up you're not going to get anything out of it, and if you are all you're not actually going to enjoy the gameplay because it's already finished what it set out to do.
I feel like I could make a better game of this same concept with a copy of RPG maker and a few hours, and that's pretty sad.

Procrastine
Mar 30, 2011


AngryRobotsInc posted:

On the Pokemon music note, I really dug what they did with the critical health beep in Black/White, and they need to do more of that in the future.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLVr0VfeLmk

It was a good idea for wild and regular trainer battles, but having it interrupt special trainer music was disappointing.

Mierenneuker
Apr 28, 2010


We're all going to experience changes in our life but only the best of us will qualify for front row seats.

This song slaps some bongos and xylophone bars.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Db07wCTqQoE

Mierenneuker fucked around with this message at 17:21 on Aug 30, 2019

SpaceCadetBob
Dec 27, 2012
I’ve played the poo poo out of fire emblem heroes, and whaled from time to time, so I should be like the target audience for this game. But everything feels so obscured compared to FEH.

Maybe if they add in TMs so I could customize a bit of moves on my team.

hopeandjoy
Nov 28, 2014



SpaceCadetBob posted:

I’ve played the poo poo out of fire emblem heroes, and whaled from time to time, so I should be like the target audience for this game. But everything feels so obscured compared to FEH.

Maybe if they add in TMs so I could customize a bit of moves on my team.

The main thing to me is that it’s so expensive to do a full summon.

A FEH full summon is half the characters (5) but it only costs 20 orbs which is very easy to earn. Also there’s no distinction between paid and free currency.

At least Dragalia names the paid vs free summoning currency different things.

So basically I spent a few hours on this game last night and have no even touched the gambling aspect yet, which isn’t great from a “trying to hook people” perspective.

Flopsy
Mar 4, 2013

Abundant Atrophy posted:

No Pokemon route track has ever eclipsed RS's 113. Even the remake couldn't improve it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfARFF9S5Jg


I thought the same about a Tiny Chao Garden Mobile port, but I guess Obvious and Highly Profitable aren't enough sometimes.


Have I got something for you buddy~

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzvJdWc-6HA

The Bee
Nov 25, 2012

Making his way to the ring . . .
from Deep in the Jungle . . .

The Big Monkey!

Procrastine posted:

It was a good idea for wild and regular trainer battles, but having it interrupt special trainer music was disappointing.

The special music should've had its own low health variants. Imagine if Ghetsis' Dennis chorus got even more ominous and intese as your Pokemon was on its last legs.

Procrastine
Mar 30, 2011


The Bee posted:

The special music should've had its own low health variants. Imagine if Ghetsis' Dennis chorus got even more ominous and intese as your Pokemon was on its last legs.

God yes

SpaceCadetBob
Dec 27, 2012
Next thing that is really annoying me is there is no level marking system to tell you if you are even close to completing a battle. They give you a team power score, but nothing to compare it to.

Its hella annoying to go into a training match and just get wrecked.

The game really is nice to look at, but the gameplay is opaque as hell.

gently caress why didn’t they just give this game another month of development.

d3lness
Feb 19, 2011

Unicorns are metal. Gundanium alloy to be exact...

SpaceCadetBob posted:

gently caress why didn’t they just give this game another month of development.

Because that would have just resulted in a third tier of gems called purchased purchased gems. They let you buy trainer packs with two guaranteed 5 star trainers. You get them by buying gems with your purchased gems at a rate of 2 purchased to 1 purchased purchased. The pack still costs 3k purchased purchased gems though.

Vinylshadow
Mar 20, 2017

The Bee posted:

The special music should've had its own low health variants. Imagine if Ghetsis' Dennis chorus got even more ominous and intese as your Pokemon was on its last legs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACNK7qBNhdA

Funky Valentine
Feb 26, 2014

Dojyaa~an

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9U9DT8DGNtU

This, the Brandon version, and the slow piano version are some of my favorite music VGM ever.

But nothing really tops the best Pokemon music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7GRLInyW2U

Dehry
Aug 21, 2009

Grimey Drawer
https://twitter.com/pokejungle/status/1167491251287052289

Here's an early anime rumor. There should be official news about it overnight Saturday into Sunday.


Music Chat:
Since I was into Chrono Trigger about the same time Black and White were the main games I loved the Reversal Mountain theme.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQg70c-ZlKI

John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

A real hellraiser


Dehry posted:

https://twitter.com/pokejungle/status/1167491251287052289

Here's an early anime rumor. There should be official news about it overnight Saturday into Sunday.


Music Chat:
Since I was into Chrono Trigger about the same time Black and White were the main games I loved the Reversal Mountain theme.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQg70c-ZlKI

Ash is going to win the league and go to the eight regions champions for champion badges, to participate in the master league

Polderjoch
Jun 27, 2019

May the sacred flame guide me... Or something like that.

:hai: This is amazing. I really wish that this is what they did.


Also agreed on Stark Mountain and Reversal Mountain having fantastic ost, though the side games also have some great mountain themes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usuKnzJLoHU

Vinylshadow
Mar 20, 2017

Polderjoch posted:

Also agreed on Stark Mountain and Reversal Mountain having fantastic ost, though the side games also have some great mountain themes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usuKnzJLoHU

One of the very, very, very, very few good memories of SMD I have is getting to FIV and the pre-dungeon exposition dump was timed perfectly so the strings kicked off when you finally got to enter the dungeon

Boxman
Sep 27, 2004

Big fan of :frog:


The last gacha game I played was Puzzle & Dragons, which handed out currency like candy and is also very old (as far as these things go, anyway). Is the two tiers of premium currency thing unique to this game, or is it a standard part of the bullshit of these games these days?

Bleck
Jan 7, 2014

No matter how one loves, there are always different aims. Love can take a great many forms, whatever the era.
pokemon, good music,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5leGXLVWFrg

Vinylshadow
Mar 20, 2017

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_gtu0bnpYs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qH2ITXUICJU

That's how you do Shared Themes correctly

Now we need a Silver version...

Ka0
Sep 16, 2002

:siren: :siren: :siren:
AS A PROUD GAMERGATER THE ONLY THING I HATE MORE THAN WOMEN ARE GAYS AND TRANS PEOPLE
:siren: :siren: :siren:
Champion Iris' theme sounds like something a dragon tamer would listen to at the gym

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1kHPeGqSw8

The easiest champion to defeat sure had a kickass tune to her brief battle

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpgQa-TOk0M

I find Cynthia's theme to be extenuating to listen to but since everyone was traumatized by her Garchomp it has to be included

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXefFHRgyE0

I like Hugh's theme, it's groovy as hell

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bI2WzOONl7w

Team Plasma in BW had better battle muzak than in BW2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pF1n0GflZMg

Nodosaur
Dec 23, 2014

I'm glad that Pokemon Masters has finally given player characters like Kris, Rosa, and Brendan personalities.

Hopefully the game can finally give one to Red.

Zore
Sep 21, 2010
willfully illiterate, aggressively miserable sourpuss whose sole raison d’etre is to put other people down for liking the wrong things

Nodosaur posted:

I'm glad that Pokemon Masters has finally given player characters like Kris, Rosa, and Brendan personalities.

Hopefully the game can finally give one to Red.

Weirdo recluse is a personality.

Nodosaur
Dec 23, 2014

That's fanon. The only ironclad thing the series will say about him is that he doesn't talk.

Solumin
Jan 11, 2013

That's ok, his husband Blue accepts him and handles all the talking in public.

RatHat
Dec 31, 2007

A tiny behatted rat👒🐀!

Nodosaur posted:

I'm glad that Pokemon Masters has finally given player characters like Kris, Rosa, and Brendan personalities.

Hopefully the game can finally give one to Red.

I doubt it, he’ll probably be silent like always. I am curious what Pokémon he gets though. He had Charizard in the trailer, but Leon(champion from Sw/Sh) also seems to have Charizard as his ace. Maybe they just both have Charizard but Red’s can mega evo and Leon’s can gigantomax?

hopeandjoy
Nov 28, 2014



Lol the game already has an alt in it and that alt is for Brock of all people.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

Nodosaur posted:

That's fanon. The only ironclad thing the series will say about him is that he doesn't talk.

I mean, he hangs out in an isolated cave.

Interestingly, the scene with Copycat in RBY makes clear that Red isn't literally mute. (There's also all the times where the player has to choose Yes or No, but if not for the Copycat scene you could argue that Red is just nodding or shaking his head.)

hopeandjoy
Nov 28, 2014



Silver2195 posted:

I mean, he hangs out in an isolated cave.

Interestingly, the scene with Copycat in RBY makes clear that Red isn't literally mute. (There's also all the times where the player has to choose Yes or No, but if not for the Copycat scene you could argue that Red is just nodding or shaking his head.)

I choose to believe that she just knows sign language. :colbert:

(Mute Red is a fun headcanon for me that will surely finally be destroyed any day now.)

SyntheticPolygon
Dec 20, 2013

hopeandjoy posted:

Lol the game already has an alt in it and that alt is for Brock of all people.

Good.

Zebia
Oct 10, 2012

How's my volume?

Pretty disappointed with Pokemon Masters. I was playing it since the soft launch and the changes they made for the global release bums me out. Increasing the number of evolution stones needed increases the need to grind a lot. The cheap evolution stones they give you are a one time thing, the normal price for them is way higher. Since player accounts weren't reset from the soft launch that's an even more significant head start for the soft launch players.

Also the premium currency flow is terrible. What they give you for the launch isn't enough for a x10 pull, and without the event currency over the course of a month (through daily missions and weekly logins) you get over half of what you need to do a x10 pull. And to top it off normal x10 pulls don't have any guarantees, you have to use paid gems to do a x10 pull that guarantees a 5 star character.

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hopeandjoy
Nov 28, 2014



Compare this again to Dragalia, where a 10x pull costs half as much and you get at least a guaranteed 4* with it.

And once again with FEH, it costs 20 orbs to do a 5x pull, and you get over 100 orbs a month. No guaranteed rarity but there’s also no premium premium currency and the only reason there’s a distinction between free vs paid orbs is that you can’t use orbs you paid for on an iOS device on an Android device and vis versa.

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