Pinterest Mom posted:

Social scientists very often don’t so much pick their data as do their best to answer questions with the data they can get, so I’m not sure that here it’s so much a contested idea as “well we have data for Seattle employers let’s see what we can answer”.

The Cheshire Cat posted:

Plus you never really know. I mean, the voter turnout last election was 68% - if all of those non-voters decided to vote for the party that "had no chance", that party could potentially have won at least a plurality. How many of them do you think were discouraged from voting because they felt that there was no point if their party couldn't win?

So yeah, always vote, even if your preferred candidate seems like a longshot. By not voting you just guarantee it they won't win.

Count Roland posted:

I too am dropping the NDP this election. I'll probably vote Green. I have in the past anyway. Their pro-business messaging doesn't bother me. I contest that they're neoliberal though, I think that's fundamentally at odds with being an environmentalist party that plans massive interventions in the market.

Ron Paul Atreides posted:

Conversely, enough abstaining would destroy the legitimacy of the system and force some measure of change. But that really needs to be organized

Ron Paul Atreides posted:

Conversely, enough abstaining would destroy the legitimacy of the system and force some measure of change. But that really needs to be organized

zapplez posted:

When has that ever worked?

The Cheshire Cat posted:

Plus you never really know. I mean, the voter turnout last election was 68% - if all of those non-voters decided to vote for the party that "had no chance", that party could potentially have won at least a plurality. How many of them do you think were discouraged from voting because they felt that there was no point if their party couldn't win?

So yeah, always vote, even if your preferred candidate seems like a longshot. By not voting you just guarantee it they won't win.

xtal posted:

What if you don't have a preferred candidate?

infernal machines posted:

Alternatively, stay home and get trashed on Listerine.

Count Roland posted:

I too am dropping the NDP this election. I'll probably vote Green. I have in the past anyway. Their pro-business messaging doesn't bother me. I contest that they're neoliberal though, I think that's fundamentally at odds with being an environmentalist party that plans massive interventions in the market.

berenzen posted:

Then go to the voting station and void your ballot. Participate in the most basic form of political action that you, as an individual can take, even if your statement is "all these people suck".

zapplez posted:

This is also dumb. Just because all of the candidates suck somewhat, doesn't mean there aren't easy and obvious choices that are less evil.

zapplez posted:

This is also dumb. Just because all of the candidates suck somewhat, doesn't mean there aren't easy and obvious choices that are less evil.

Bilirubin posted:

OMG Andrew Scheer has such a punchable voice

I'm not going to make it through the campaign

eXXon posted:

Starks posted:

Is it strange that the liberal platform is not on their site yet? Are they just forgoing it this time since they ignored the last one after getting elected?

E: never mind. In my mind the election was closer than it actually is and I guess they’re saving it for the campaign to officially start

Grouchio posted:

Are you Canadians usually this depressed? As badly as the OP?

Helsing posted:

I say it is contested because they're arguing that their data set is a better indicator than the commonly used approach of treating fastfood workers as a proxy for minimum wage earners in general. I'd also say it is contested insofar as the entire debate about the impact of the minimum wage going back to Card and Krueger was understood as a serious challenge to neoclassical pricing theories, and many economists reacted to the Card and Krueger findings in exactly those terms, treating it as a sort of heresy that was wrong by necessity.

Grouchio posted:

Are you Canadians usually this depressed? As badly as the OP?

infernal machines posted:

Our choices are two variations on the status quo or regression.

Postess with the Mostest posted:

P sure OP is a canadian living in the US so they get some of the blame there. Most canadians are happy, this thread just attracts the sadbrains. We are the 7th happiest country on the planet, https://s3.amazonaws.com/happiness-report/2018/WHR_web.pdf but watch the gently caress out netherlands, we're comin for you next year.

just another posted:

First principles.

I'd rather abstain than endorse the least worst Overton Window candidate. If your political aspirations are to contain the excesses of your ideological opponents then they've already won; they're dictating the rules of the game.

Tighclops posted:

Jack Layton sucked and if more politicians like him would have the temerity to just loving die we'd all be better off

in 2008 posted:

The NDP platform also includes:

* withdraw Canadian forces from the Afghanistan combat mission with reasonable advance notice and in consultation with our allies

* a uniform 22.12 percent tax rate and a refusal to reduce corporate tax rates, unlike the Conservative and Liberal parties

* an end on special tax breaks for oil-sands projects

* a prohibition on Canadian corporations avoiding taxes by running financial operations through international tax havens

* limit interest rates and fees charged by payday loan companies and cap credit-card interest rates at five percent over prime

* monitoring and regulating fuel prices at the pumps

* mandatory labelling of farmed fish and genetically engineered food

* maintain a moratorium on oil and gas drilling off the coast of B.C.

* give a $1,000 grant to all undergraduate or equivalent students who qualify for student loans

* create 150,000 child-care spaces in the first year, rising to 220,000 spaces per year by the fourth year

* establish a poverty-elimination office within Human Resources Development Canada

* establish a national prescription drug program and maintain a strict ban on direct-to-consumer drug advertising

* create 2,500 new police officer positions and reclassify auto theft as a stand-alone indictable violent offence

* transfer the Canadian Coast Guard to the Ministry of Public Safety

* meet the commitments of the Kelowna accord by investing $5 billion over five years in First Nations, Metis, and Inuit communities

* ratify the UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples, which the Harper government rejected at the UN

* ensure that residential-school survivors left out of the current agreement will be compensated

* reverse efforts to legislate censorship in film and television production, as the Harper Conservatives have tried to do with Bill C-10

* implement net neutrality

* end the 2007 Canada-U.S. softwood lumber agreement

* renegotiate Chapter 11 of NAFTA, which currently gives companies the right to challenge legislation

* renegotiate Chapter 6 of NAFTA, which limits Canadian sovereignty over energy resources

* stop the decline in family reunification under Canada's immigration system and work to meet the target of allowing immigration to reach one percent of the population per year

* implement an appeal division under the Immigration Act go give refugee claimants an opportunity to have decisions reviewed without going straight to the Federal Court of Canada

* prohibit MPs from crossing the floor without first winning a seat in a by-election

* a $750-million per year "Green Collar Jobs Fund" to train workers and retrain displaced workers as well as a job-protection commissioner to investigate major layoffs and shutdowns

* invest part of the GST collected (one cent, according to the platform) into cities and communities to help address a growing infrastructure deficit

* revamp ecoEnergy programs to provide low-interest loans and grants to enhance energy efficiency; add conservation and energy efficiency to the Canada Building Code, working with the provinces; and set a target of retrofitting seven percent of Canada's housing stock each year

Lassitude posted:

I'm sadbrained that the NDP sucks but I volunteer for them and poo poo still because if we're going to get a leftist leader in Canada, it's going to be through them. We just need someone we can rally around, even if it's an AOC-like person who has good ideas but not much actual power. Or something. I am maybe bad at politics and ignorant of how implacable the inner core of the centre-left NDP we know and abide may be.