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Sickening posted:Did they say never or is this some weird guess? Arena is the easiest place to do fetch lands mechanically. It’s fast as hell. They're easy to do on Arena but people will still raise complaints about how much shuffling they create in paper. They have to be tolerable on both platforms. Honestly I think the biggest roadblock right now for fetches in Standard is that people still remember BFZ Standard and the 4c piles that fetches + typed duals allowed for. We won't get that combination in Standard for a long time if ever, so at the very least we'll have to wait until the shocklands are out of Standard again.
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Turn 1 Mind Rot is kind of a bomb in a format with 3 card starting hands  The uncounterable one that exiles all non-creature, non-land cards from the hand and yard is really good in this format too
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Aug 31, 2019 23:27
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Fetch lands were a terrible idea for a game that has typed duals, so they'll basically reserve list them, make a format that doesn't allow them, and then wait until they're $300 apiece and nobody can afford to play them anymore. They'll probably end up getting rid of legacy in 5 or so years and just add the good part of legacy to modern.
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Aug 31, 2019 23:36
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C-Euro posted:They're easy to do on Arena but people will still raise complaints about how much shuffling they create in paper. They have to be tolerable on both platforms. M20 has more cards with shuffling than khans. War of the spark does as well. Shuffling in paper isn’t going away. Just make a format where every deck doesn’t want to include 8 fetches and everyone wins.
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Silhouette posted:Turn 1 Mind Rot is kind of a bomb in a format with 3 card starting hands Of course, they're dead cards if they come later.
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Sep 1, 2019 00:10
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I know we like high level subtle play but let me just say it was really fun just now to win with my awful Liliana/zombie tribal deck that had two big dumb zombie tyrannosaurs that came down turn 3 and 4 and rolled over Big Green's feeble defenses.
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Sickening posted:M20 has more cards with shuffling than khans. War of the spark does as well. Shuffling in paper isn’t going away. Just make a format where every deck doesn’t want to include 8 fetches and everyone wins. What would make people not want to pay fetches? The only thing that really punishes are stifle and can't search the library effects. They are even resistant to non basic hate since you can fetch your basics in response
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Sickening posted:M20 has more cards with shuffling than khans. War of the spark does as well. Shuffling in paper isn’t going away. Just make a format where every deck doesn’t want to include 8 fetches and everyone wins. Shuffling isn't going away, but fetchlands have such a low deckbuilding cost and a high enough upside that they'd only be "just OK" in a format without typed duals. And honestly I think Wizards wants to have the "typed dual" design space to play around in.
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The really funny thing about BFZ standard was that lots of people were actually predicting fetches in Ducks block (what became khans) because that was the soonest opportunity to print them so that they wouldn’t overlap with RTR shocks, and we all knew a reprint was due. and, sure enough, they printed them as soon as they wouldn’t overlap with shocks, which would obviously be a terrible idea and thennnnnnnnn
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Sep 1, 2019 00:43
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Count Bleck posted:Yo ante your volcanic island. I'll ante my saber ants. Add ante to Arena please.
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Dear Arena players, We couldn’t be more thrilled about how the first month of Historic has turned out! It’s been a pleasure watching you all brew the craziest combos and most powerful decks Arena has to offer. As we said when we launched the format, we’re periodically going to be adding potent cards from Magic’s history to Historic and we can’t wait to see what you do with them! The following cards will be legal in the Historic format starting next Monday: -Amulet of Quoz -Jeweled Bird -Bronze Tablet -Demonic Attorney -Darkpact
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Sep 1, 2019 01:33
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Ante seems like it would be a fine mode in Arena tbh
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Sep 1, 2019 01:41
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Not interested until they add contract from below.
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Sep 1, 2019 01:52
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They're gonna push all the big 'uns into Historic and never print fetches again and silently replace Modern with it
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Every time someone says Historic format in here my brain autocorrects to Histrionic format.
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Eej posted:They're gonna push all the big 'uns into Historic and never print fetches again and silently replace Modern with it I thought this as well but I want to see what form they use to grandfather older cards into the format, otherwise it seems like it' s going to be mad difficult to keep track of what is and isn't legal. You basically need to print some sort of Historic Horizons set.
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Sep 1, 2019 02:21
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The format "historic" uses significantly more recent cards than the format "modern"
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Seems like they're doing exactly that, but in small doses that are easy to see the impact of. If a deck takes off, they can just throw in a couple hate cards against that deck.
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cheetah7071 posted:The format "historic" uses significantly more recent cards than the format "modern" Not for long it sounds like Tainen posted:They just mentioned on stream some of the historic exclusive cards they are currently testing That's four Modern-legal cards and one Legacy-legal card. If this is their pattern for cards to include in Historic then it's going to get really confusing really fast unless they do some sort of reprint set specifically branded for Historic. "Historic Masters" does have a nice ring to it...
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Tbh I don’t trust WotC to keep the fetchlands genie in their pants so if they do Historic the way it seems it’ll eventually look close enough to Modern anyways to not really matter much
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Please enjoy this 600 DPI scan of Duelist #1. https://archive.org/details/duelist1  Edit: No one understands jade statue. 
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Sep 1, 2019 02:45
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Thanks for sharing these, they’re a really interesting glimpse of magic from an era before I started playing. That 5+5 Aladdin’s Lamp is hilarious (they really couldn’t just use a smaller font?) and awesome
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Say I have a single creature in play with a Season of Growth, and a Bone Splinters in hand. I am able to cast Bone Splinters, targeting my creature, and sacrificing that same creature. On Arena, I do not draw a card. Bug, or does it somehow not count as casting a spell targeting your creature if the creature isn't in play when the trigger would go on the stack? also why the gently caress do I need to restart Arena after every 6-7 games to stop it from visibly chugging, come on Wizards I'm willing to play Arena for the Omniscience drafts but it's hard when MTGO bugs are copied onto MTGA.
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Hellsau posted:Say I have a single creature in play with a Season of Growth, and a Bone Splinters in hand. I am able to cast Bone Splinters, targeting my creature, and sacrificing that same creature. On Arena, I do not draw a card. Bug, or does it somehow not count as casting a spell targeting your creature if the creature isn't in play when the trigger would go on the stack? That's how it should work: there's no creature to target once you've paid the additional cost.
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Sep 1, 2019 08:24
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You choose targets before paying additional costs, though? That sounds too difficult for me to even bother figuring out.
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You choose targets before paying additional costs, that's correct. But there's a step in there where the game state checks that the targets are still valid after those additional costs are paid. If they are no longer valid, the spell fizzles (I think).
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I think it's because by the time the spell is being cast, it's not targeting a creature you control (since it's gone) Or it's a bug.
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Sep 1, 2019 13:01
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Costs such as sacrificing a creature do not count as targeting that creature.
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lazerwolf posted:Costs such as sacrificing a creature do not count as targeting that creature. The creature being sacrificed was also the target of the spell in this case.
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You announce the spell, pick the target, then pay costs. It goes onto the stack, when it tries to resolve it sees it has no legal targets still on the field and fizzles. I think it's a bug, but I'm not 100% on that.
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The spell isn't "cast" until you've finished casting it. At which point it isn't targeting a creature you control, because it isn't targeting anything, right?
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Dr. Stab posted:The spell isn't "cast" until you've finished casting it. At which point it isn't targeting a creature you control, because it isn't targeting anything, right? Targets are chosen before costs are paid, so sacrificing frostling targeting itself, for instance, is a perfectly legal play
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Elyv posted:Targets are chosen before costs are paid, so sacrificing frostling targeting itself, for instance, is a perfectly legal play that's not what they were asking their point was, by the time Bone Splinters has been actually cast, it's not targeting a creature you control because there's no creature there anymore, so Season won't trigger (maybe????)
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Emphasis on the (maybe????)
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Edit: You no longer control that creature after it has been sacrificed so you don't draw a card. lazerwolf fucked around with this message at 17:22 on Sep 1, 2019 |
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Sep 1, 2019 17:16
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Burn is owning the Open lmao
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Four best performing decks are Burn, Whirza, Tron, and Titanshift in that order
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Hellsau posted:Say I have a single creature in play with a Season of Growth, and a Bone Splinters in hand. I am able to cast Bone Splinters, targeting my creature, and sacrificing that same creature. On Arena, I do not draw a card. Bug, or does it somehow not count as casting a spell targeting your creature if the creature isn't in play when the trigger would go on the stack? MTG Comp. Rules posted:601.2a To propose the casting of a spell, a player first moves that card (or that copy of a card) from where it is to the stack. It becomes the topmost object on the stack. It has all the characteristics of the card (or the copy of a card) associated with it, and that player becomes its controller. The spell remains on the stack until it’s countered, it resolves, or an effect moves it elsewhere. By the time the spell is cast - the only time Season of Growth will care to see it (601.2i) - the creature you targeted (in 602.1c) is no longer on the battlefield, and Season of Growth will not see a spell targeting a creature you control.
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Sampatrick posted:Four best performing decks are Burn, Whirza, Tron, and Titanshift in that order Mill beats up on 3/4 of those, let's go bay-beeeeeeeeee
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Thanks for those uploads Xarph. I'm really engrossed by the marine salvage book!
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