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yea ok posted:yeah for sure. i think it's dangerous to continue to have to raise the bar and poo poo liek the scissor board has a high variance of danger (or maybe im a mark, idk) but just generally speaking deathmatches just look gross rather than being actually unsafe. not speaking for like the ones with two guys who have wrestled for 10 days getting booked on an ian rotten show Well with Ian shows the real danger is picking up Hep C or Staph
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El Gallinero Gros posted:That said, Jimmy Lloyd had one hell of a close call last year, that was scary the one fuckin jimmy lloyd match ive ever seen (streaming) live and the dude nearly slits his throat on a bunch of scissors lol. yeah whoo that was a scary one.
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Sep 2, 2019 18:43
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It's like boxing vs bare knuckle boxing. Bare knuckle is more gruesome and bloody but probably way better on your health long term.
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Sep 2, 2019 19:07
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Schneider Heim posted:Reading the MOTY/WMOTY thread, there was a discussion over how a hardcore match was worked safer than a non-hardcore one. Now, I usually dislike hardcore matches because I get worked all the time (I also watched one live wherein a wrestler got suplexed into a boxful of thumbtacks, and he posted on socmed about that one thumbtack that was stuck to his body long after he had already packed up and gone home, ANYWAY...), but how does one work a hardcore match to be "safe"? Are there ways to tell? All three styles influenced the tape-trading culture in the US simultaneously, mostly without the context of the story being told. So in the US you started seeing hardcore wrestlers who were cutting themselves and taking insane bumps, often with too little training, for way too little money. Jim Cornette plays a character on the radio, but he wrote a great essay on the topic.
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Sep 2, 2019 21:42
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Most deathmatch wrestling is safer then your average njpw match but it's right to compare the two. Like, breaking a light tube over someone's back or dropping them on thumbtacks can't really be messed up in a way that going to cause real damage to a person. You'll bleed and it will hurt but the gently caress up potential is a lot lower then pretty much any flip. But there is a handful of stuff in death matches that have the potential for a very quick and violent death if you gently caress it up. A NJPW match probably doesn't have that, you'll just slowly kill yourself through the grinding down of your spine.
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Sep 2, 2019 22:01
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Onita style death matches were safer than a normal "great" because you just punched and teased barbed wire poo poo until something blew up. Yeah you bled a lot, but you took very few bumps. Modern death matches have just as many bumps as normal matches so it's no safer.
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Sep 2, 2019 22:07
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Can we all just agree that shoving syringes and poo poo through people's cheeks as a spot is hosed up and and gross and needs to go back to weird fetish videos?
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Sep 2, 2019 22:42
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as long as the syringes are handled and disposed of properly they are much safer than many normal wrestling moves. once again, skin, fat and muscle wounds are highly overrated in severity by most mark communities
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Sep 2, 2019 22:47
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ShootaBoy posted:Can we all just agree that shoving syringes and poo poo through people's cheeks as a spot is hosed up and and gross and
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Sep 2, 2019 23:25
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I dont want to see someone get hit with a weedwacker that spins pizza cutters but if some goober wants to go ahead and make a spot out if it, get your poo poo in goober.
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Sep 2, 2019 23:32
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For years I thought the exploding barb wire acid nail bomb matches were made up by the IWC. It never occurred to me that people would willingly wrestle in close proximity to an explosive device.
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Sep 2, 2019 23:44
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Nystral posted:For years I thought the exploding barb wire acid nail bomb matches were made up by the IWC. It never occurred to me that people would willingly wrestle in close proximity to an explosive device. The fact Terry Funk, probably one of the top 5 of all time, wrestled in death matches still amazes me
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Sep 2, 2019 23:47
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Low Desert Punk posted:I don't think you can make a hardcore match "safe," but you can minimize risks by leaving as little to chance as possible. everything gimmicked, smoke and mirrors, safe bumps, etc. Bumping on thumbtacks and stapling your forehead hurts but it's not going to actually injure you. You can totally make a hardcore match safe, it just depends on your definition of “hardcore”. Al Snow and Bob Holly had a hardcore match where the only danger was hypothermia.
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Hardcore is fine, deathmatch I can't watch. The difference for me is glass. Barbed wire and thumbtacks are kind of bordernline. But stuff like protected chairshots, table spots, kendo sticks, etc. All fine and good. I'm less cool with blading because of transmittable diseases, though, and you kinda need color to make hardcore cool. At least in the indies, cutting yourself and risking hepatitis for life in front of 50 people seems kind of dumb and worthless.
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Sep 3, 2019 00:45
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ShootaBoy posted:Can we all just agree that shoving syringes and poo poo through people's cheeks as a spot is hosed up and and gross and needs to go back to weird fetish videos? This poo poo is probably the only deathmatch stuff that makes me cringe so honestly it is very good and it needs to stay. At tos4 when Sakuda wrestled like half a match with a skewer through both sides of his mouth then ripped it out when he started a big comeback it was very badass
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Sep 3, 2019 01:22
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I used to stick needles through my fingertips and cheeks and stuff in grade school to impress people so that kind of stuff doesn't get me too bad. That said, the spot on the mania weekend AIW show where Josh Bishop pounded bamboo skewers into Dominic Garrini's cauliflower ear made me stop the stream and go lie down, so it still can be real nasty.
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Sep 3, 2019 01:26
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Hellblazer187 posted:But stuff like protected chairshots, table spots, kendo sticks, etc. All fine and good. I'm less cool with blading because of transmittable diseases, though, and you kinda need color to make hardcore cool. At least in the indies, cutting yourself and risking hepatitis for life in front of 50 people seems kind of dumb and worthless. First thought: It's 2019, blood tests aren't complicated. If you can't make sure your wrestlers don't have any bloodborne diseases you shouldn't be running any wrestling shows, let alone hardcore ones. Second thought: Blood tests can be kind of expensive, actually. The US healthcare system loving sucks.
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Sep 3, 2019 03:02
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Lurks With Wolves posted:First thought: It's 2019, blood tests aren't complicated. If you can't make sure your wrestlers don't have any bloodborne diseases you shouldn't be running any wrestling shows, let alone hardcore ones. exploding barbed wire prediabetes blood sugar suicide vest deathmatch wherein you force feed your opponent cookies until a glucose test triggers the c4 strapped to their chest my question is: why not done?
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Sep 3, 2019 03:12
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It's like when CZW did the angle where Zandig was strung up on meathooks. It got an astonishingly stupid amount of online backlash—more than any actually dangerous CZW spots had—even though it was part of the angle that Whacks (the piercing expert who did other work for them) was "forced" by the heels into doing it. That stunt was completely safe. I didn't like the spot G-Raver got hurt on, or his close call seconds earlier, or even using glass in general (not to mention the tubes given the mercury dust), but there's clearly a method to the madness of a LOT of the common death match spots, with the big mishaps coming with big bumps or spots where the wrestlers sacrificed too much control of the props.
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Sep 3, 2019 03:44
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It was late June when fans at an Indiana death match show were advised to get tested for HIV and hepatitis. Hep C and HIV transmission rates are on the upswing due to the IV drug epidemic. If you can’t blood test your roster, then doing matches where fans or competitors are exposed to blood is really dangerous.
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Sep 3, 2019 04:02
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Punch McLightning posted:It was late June when fans at an Indiana death match show were advised to get tested for HIV and hepatitis. Hep C and HIV transmission rates are on the upswing due to the IV drug epidemic.
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Sep 3, 2019 04:13
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Did we ever find out what Lance Storm’s new gig is yet?
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The one hardcore thing that I always wonder about is the barbed wire. Is it usually gimmicked at all? Or do you not need to worry about tetanus if it's been kept clean? Or do they just get shots afterwards?
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Sep 3, 2019 07:28
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davidbix posted:I agree, but didn't it turn out that the Indiana thing was someone panicking and not a wrestler having Hep C or HIV? I seem to recall it pretty quickly coming out that the state (correctly, probably) had to recommend that about any incident where there's both a crowd and a lot of blood, not that there was any real suspicion that bloodborne disease was likely.
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https://i.imgur.com/mYz7Wno.mp4
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davidbix posted:I agree, but didn't it turn out that the Indiana thing was someone panicking and not a wrestler having Hep C or HIV? As said by Draxion, that should be standard operating procedure because that could easily be the start of an outbreak. 15% of people living in the U.S. with HIV don’t know they have HIV.
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Sep 3, 2019 10:58
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What happened between Billy Gunn and Stone Cold in the late '90s where Austin refused to work with Billy?
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I've always loved that HBK gif, especially the old dude losing his loving mind wanting to jump the rail to fight him, but I've somehow never noticed the black guy laughing his rear end off while restraining him before 
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Breitbart Is Rightbart posted:What happened between Billy Gunn and Stone Cold in the late '90s where Austin refused to work with Billy? Just didn't think he was a big enough star, and wasn't somebody who could be brought to that level by working with him.
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Sep 3, 2019 12:59
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Maxwell Lord posted:The one hardcore thing that I always wonder about is the barbed wire. Is it usually gimmicked at all? Or do you not need to worry about tetanus if it's been kept clean? Or do they just get shots afterwards? They file/cut the points down sometimes but that's it since apparently fake barbed wire hurts more than the real thing. Wrestlers are pretty dumb so who knows if most of them even think about tetanus. Randaconda posted:Just didn't think he was a big enough star, and wasn't somebody who could be brought to that level by working with him. He was 100% right and an Austin/Gunn feud would have sucked.
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Sep 3, 2019 13:07
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Anything Billy Gunn did without Road Dogg sucked. Who the gently caress had such an erection for him that he kept getting so many pushes?
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Pope Corky the IX posted:Anything Billy Gunn did without Road Dogg sucked. Who the gently caress had such an erection for him that he kept getting so many pushes? JR was head of talent relations and loved Gunn. Gunn was also jacked, athletic, and even though it was from coattail riding, pretty drat over.
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Sep 3, 2019 13:17
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CombineThresher posted:
Doesn't seem to be any hard feelings, Billy's been on his podcast several times.
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Sep 3, 2019 13:18
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El Gallinero Gros posted:JR was head of talent relations and loved Gunn. Gunn was also jacked, athletic, and even though it was from coattail riding, pretty drat over. I honestly don't remember him being over without Road Dogg standing in the ring with him. Or maybe fans of how campy Mr. rear end and the Billy & Chuck teams were. EDIT: One thing I do remember is how convincing he was as a misogynistic woman-beating piece of poo poo in TNA. Like I never doubted for a second that he believed what was coming out of his mouth. Whether or not that's a compliment depends on how he actually is in real life. Pope Corky the IX fucked around with this message at 13:24 on Sep 3, 2019 |
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Billy had something, he was just never ever to bring it out in singles. Should have just stayed in tag teams
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Trust me, I'm not saying Road Dogg was somehow better other than on the mic and maybe dance moves. And holy poo poo does the entire DX schtick not age well at all, I'm embarrassed for my fourteen year old self.
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Road Dogg was good on the mic until after about three years of him doing the same exact promo every week, I realized he was never ever going to come up with a new one. This became even more evident when he went to TNA and worked with Konnan. And yeah, I was also no longer 14.
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I seem to recall Billy Gunn as being... somewhat decent in-ring by Attitude Era standards. Was he up there with the likes of Val Venis in competing for the questionable title of "best wrestler in the WWF not named Taka Michinoku"?Pinstripe Hourglass posted:Al Snow and Bob Holly had a hardcore match where the only danger was hypothermia. Okay, this took me by surprise and I want to know more. Did Stone Cold do a run-in or was it the match itself that was cold?
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Hedgehog Pie posted:I seem to recall Billy Gunn as being... somewhat decent in-ring by Attitude Era standards. Was he up there with the likes of Val Venis in competing for the questionable title of "best wrestler in the WWF not named Taka Michinoku"? If I'm not mistaken, they're referring to a hardcore match they had that ended up in the Long Island Sound.
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Hedgehog Pie posted:
Its just an intrinsic risk of being covered by snow.
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